Why superguns suck

[Rastan78]

Well, at least that Batrider board I just sent you will be travellin' in style.

[Triple Lei]

This topic seems pretty elitist... even for this forum

[GaijinPunch]

I didn't dog on anyone for wanting to play otherwise. Fuck...twe plays on nothing but pads but you don't see me dogging him. Wanderer plays on a 20" monitor from relatively far away, but I don't bash him. I don't even have a cab. I wish I did though.

[SAM]

I agree w/ what NTSC-J says, but I'm not going to be living in a house (and definitley not one that I own) for quite some time, so a cab is definitely not in my future.

Some situation here.

I was in an arcade once, explaining how I had a control box and the PCB to play at home. The guy who was way more skilled than me was like "yeah, but if you change your point of view just a little bit..." He was totally right.

Having played quite a few Cave games extensively on both (ESPgaluda, Galuda II, and Mushi) I can clearly say the cab is the way to go. Moving a 4x4 pixel DOT all over the screen through bullet hell means the less you move your eyes, the more accurate and crisp your moves will be. You can always argue that scooting back or getting a smaller monitor has the same effect, but then you have problems b/c the hit box is so fucking small.

Obviously the issue is exacerbated by the TATE monitor. It's not as big of an issue for a horizontal screen as humans (most that I know anyway) have a wider field of view.

Second this. in fact, I feel the same too. The screen size had to 29" not bigger, not smaller, otherwise I play worse. I use to score higher on Mushihime Sama in the acrade, dispate all the smoke (tobacco), noice around.

In fact, a barebones supergun can be as simple as the one at the bottom of this page. I know that somebody here actually has one like this, but I can't remember who it is. SAM?

Yes, mine look like somthing like that. With iatneH helping me out with the Video encoder, I now got a fully custom built supergun.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go count all the reasons why I need to spend $600 on a PS3.

I really want to know to points for purching a PS3 in favour of a Ketsui or a Mushihime Sama and might be a ESPgulada 2.

There won't be any decent games comes out on PS3 in the first years of its life. Sony would censor out all game with real game play in favour of good looking "block buster".

Great games usually start to appears to a home console when it is about to phase out. Just count how many great shmups are released on PS2 & DC in the past years, and you would see.

When the "slim" version of PS3 come out, it the time to buy the console.

[D]

Standing?
Didn't someone invent those high chairs they use at casino's as well, with the chrome, you know what I mean, well I'm still searching for one.

[PooshhMao]

Hey Rastanb78, great sig you have there! Raiden obviously, where do you have it from?

[Rastan78]

Thanks, just click here and scroll down. You can click to see the whole picture.

[oxtsu]

I have both Japan cab and 'gun w/the real fixings. You can get the same or better viewing angle, monitor, controls, and sound from a supergun (trouble is that most people don't strain themselves to get the best setup with a 'gun). What's missing? With a high quality Japan cabinet, everything is set "perfectly" already, with that 'in the game center' feeling that a 'gun will never capture 100%.

On the issue of cabinet viewing angle, this has changed through the years, and has player-->monitor relation. From table-tops and Pony cabs,etc of the 80's (0 and 45 degrees), to Astro and Blast (65-70degrees or there abouts), to New Net City and Taito ConceptE (80-85 dgerees).

Illustrated-

[Bishamon]

I run my SuperGun through my computer using a Hauppauge card, output processed via DScaler, and displayed on a 17" rotatable LCD. I agree that a cabinet would be more fun to have, but it's a lot easier for me to change between horizontal and vertical games with this setup.

[Rastan78]

Nice pics oxtsu. Those Taito Concept cabs look very interesting. Tated widescreen format could be cool if they develop new stuff for the format. Looks like they have illuminated the controls. Wonder if they're using the clear Seimitsu stuff or some kind of new controls. Although I'm guessing those LCD monitors probably wouldn't look so hot running our good old low res 2D games.

That one pic does a really good job of showing how they altered the control panel placement and screen angle on the Net City.

[Ex_Mosquito]

I dont think the angle of the screen matters that much tbh, good results are not based screen size or angle but more on creativity and execution. Thats why i believe anyway. A bigger screen wont suddenly give you ninja skills overnight.

[Vexorg]

I'm not all that familiar with the candy cabs, but my relatively inexpensive vert cab (converted from one of these) does the job quite nicely. I do need to redo the control panel at some point (I suspect that doing so will probably involve replacing the sheet metal on top completely, the thing is a mess underneath) but it works well for now.

[GaijinPunch]

Here's my new cab:

[Rastan78]

I play with this.

[scrilla4rella]

^^ ...

seeing the power glove after all these years,
I am suddenly swept up in nostalgia
my wonderful -middleclass- parents,

The lack of use -waste of money-
it wasn't there fault
the marketing machine of yore,

[oxtsu]

Nice pics oxtsu. Those Taito Concept cabs look very interesting. Tated widescreen format could be cool if they develop new stuff for the format. Looks like they have illuminated the controls. Wonder if they're using the clear Seimitsu stuff or some kind of new controls.

Danke. I think they are prototype Sanwa LED-Skeleton stuff, for reasons I'll not go into here. I think I could swing with the LED controls on the Taito ConceptE cab. Doesn't look so trashy anymore.

Here's my new cab:

Village People phone home.

[SAM]

I am wondering if any of you actually own those "coffee table". Those when it is 2P turn, the game screen have to be inverted.

I think some game have to play on that to feel right, e.g. Battle tank? (that top view tanks battle with brick wall.), Pac-Man.

[doctorx0079]

^^ ...

seeing the power glove after all these years,
I am suddenly swept up in nostalgia
my wonderful -middleclass- parents,

The lack of use -waste of money-
it wasn't there fault
the marketing machine of yore,

Can you actually do the stuff they say in the ad, or is it just BS?

[PC Engine Fan X!]

I am wondering if any of you actually own those "coffee table". Those when it is 2P turn, the game screen have to be inverted.

I think some game have to play on that to feel right, e.g. Battle tank? (that top view tanks battle with brick wall.), Pac-Man.

I remember back in the early 1980's, many arcades had the "coffee table" styled arcade game cabinets. Actually, they are better known as the "cocktail styled cabinet". When playing a two player alternating styled arcade game such as Pac-Man/Ms. Pac-Man, the game screen is indeed Tate'd 180 degrees for the second player. They are very well suited for the Tate'd modern-day arcade shmup titles as the arcade monitor is already in correct position anyways. But the angle is a direct 90 degree angle...could one get used to that angle when playing a serious shmup gaming session though? It's all just a matter of prefference. ^_~

In fact, in the early 1980's, Chuckie E. Cheese's had a bunch of those "cocktail" arcade cabinets in the dining room just adjacent from the main Theater room where one could watch the cool animatronics show every so often. I remember watching a special on the animatronics technology used to create the Chuckie E. Cheese's show revues on Enterntainment Tonight in the early 1990's...it's alot of work to get the robotics to sync correctly + costume changes and prop changes as well. ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[system11]

I am wondering if any of you actually own those "coffee table". Those when it is 2P turn, the game screen have to be inverted.

I think some game have to play on that to feel right, e.g. Battle tank? (that top view tanks battle with brick wall.), Pac-Man.

I had a Moon Patrol cocktail machine - it was very nice, doesn't suit all games though. They were more a trend than a practicality at the time.

[Arcatech]

Well, I bought 29" RGB TV by Samsung about a month ago.

I know your working on your article, but can you tell me what model this is and where you got it? I'm thinking about going RGB.

[99pence]

Interesting thread.



I like playing with pads, I've always wondered how well I'd get on with a candy cab with shooters. The only thing I prefer a stick for is fighting games. But on a cab it's alot different as it's solid were as normally your stick is resting on your lap so it's not as stable. But at the end of the day I wonder if I kept practicing the stick it would be better. I mean the worlds best players use sticks.


Trouble with candy cabs. They are expensive, very hard to get hold of and as usually you've got to order them from the other side of the world and for all your troubles you might get one that's so faded and yellow it looks naff and the inside could be all mouldy.

I would be quite interested in making my own.

[SAM]

Trouble with candy cabs. They are expensive, very hard to get hold of and as usually you've got to order them from the other side of the world and for all your troubles you might get one that's so faded and yellow it looks naff and the inside could be all mouldy.

You should ordered one a new, since most of the cost gone into shipping anyway.

[stuffmonger]

I'm not even sure how many cabs I have right now total, but im my actual collection, I have around 16. Of those, I have 10 candy cabs, and the rest are american/wooden cabs. In so-cal candy cabs aren't terribly difficult to find. I know of a few peop[le I could see to get another one... best source is Matsu. I always go and pick them up personally, so I can pick out the best one(s). Having said that, My favorite setup is on a candy cab with the sound running through my sound system

[99pence]

Trouble with candy cabs. They are expensive, very hard to get hold of and as usually you've got to order them from the other side of the world and for all your troubles you might get one that's so faded and yellow it looks naff and the inside could be all mouldy.

You should ordered one a new, since most of the cost gone into shipping anyway.

The only proper one you can get these days is the Egret 3 isn't it. They cost hella bucks.

[stuffmonger]

The only proper one you can get these days is the Egret 3 isn't it. They cost hella bucks.

I've got some really nice ones in my collection I don't have a high res though... yet.

[SuperPang]

I think they are prototype Sanwa LED-Skeleton stuff, for reasons I'll not go into here.

*spits out coffee*
Really? I'm so buying some if they are. I like trashy.

Anyone here used a Concept E? I'm curious about the monitor. LCD screen still running Type X in VGA 640x480 31khz? I'm wondering if Taito have a high def system planned because an LCD like that's wasted on Type X.

[Dave_K.]

Having said that, My favorite setup is on a candy cab with the sound running through my sound system

Just curious, why use a 7.1 surround sound system to amplify a mono jamma cabinet? Yeah, I know there are some JVS/CPS2 stereo games, but standard jamma (and a majority of all shmups) are mono.

My solution: a set of P1 and P2 mono/stereo headjacks w/independant volume control. Having one room with multiple cabinets blasting gets distracting, so I'm installing this in all my cabs now. The main speakers still work the same, just now people can't complain that they cannot hear their particular game.

[Valgar]

Wow that is awesome Dave! What do you use to go from JAMMA to the headjacks?

[Dave_K.]

Wow that is awesome Dave! What do you use to go from JAMMA to the headjacks?

Its incredibly simple. The P1/P2 stereo jacks are wired together, which then go into a volume pot, and then to a 3 pin molex connector. I then have a choice of running a seperate 3pin connector cable to either tap the mono jamma harness, or a JVS/CPS2 stereo amp. Here are all the parts needed to finishing modding my other 3 cabs.