Any real shmups on the 360???

SPACE HARRIER · Post by **SPACE HARRIER** » Fri May 12, 2006 11:53 pm

Just found this on an german gamesite!
http://xbox360.gaming-universe.de/spiel ... e--galaga/
One of my all time faves is coming to the x-box live arcade!
I hope in the future they bring some more classic shmups to the 360!

How about next gen shmups for the 360..any news ?????

TNT,

Arznei · Post by **Arznei** » Fri May 12, 2006 11:57 pm

Still not worth buying a 360 over, unfortunately. Geometry Wars and Oblivion are the only real reasons to buy a 360 at this point.

I guess I'm just excited about Milestone's new shooter for the Wii, but I would totally buy a 360 if they start supporting 2D more.

Post by **system11** » Sat May 13, 2006 12:29 am

Arznei wrote:Still not worth buying a 360 over, unfortunately. Geometry Wars and Oblivion are the only real reasons to buy a 360 at this point.

Depends on what you like.

Arznei · Post by **Arznei** » Sat May 13, 2006 12:36 am

bloodflowers wrote:
Arznei wrote:Still not worth buying a 360 over, unfortunately. Geometry Wars and Oblivion are the only real reasons to buy a 360 at this point.
Depends on what you like.

Not racing, first person shooting or sports titles that's for sure :(

Which is basically what the 360's collection consists of currently. On the plus side, the controller's analog stick is nice and rubbery. I like that.

icycalm · Post by **icycalm** » Sat May 13, 2006 1:35 am

So, um, how can you say that it's not worth buying other than for those two games?

Do you perhaps not realize that there are others who enjoy those genres you so casually dismiss?

Could I be any more sarcastic?

elvis · Post by **elvis** » Sat May 13, 2006 1:37 am

Arznei wrote:Not racing, first person shooting or sports titles that's for sure

Thank goodness. And here I was thinking I was the only one who is sick to death of those genres.

Saturation point much?

SAM · Post by **SAM** » Sat May 13, 2006 2:22 am

There would be not much, I am afraid.

Shmups uses to release in the native hardware in the acrade (Naomi => DreamCast) or the console which are current has the bigist user base.

This is because, shmups got such a low system requirements that it could be ported to DreamCast or any performs release after it. Thus the one currently with the biggist user base is usually choisen. i.e. PS2.

Not until XBox360 won the console wars, and most importantly out sold all the others in JAPAN (shmups main market), would there be tons of shmups appear on XBox360.

I think XBox360 got the least chance for a shmups release amoung all the coming consoles. So if all you want is to play Shmups, keep away form XBox360. As it won't going got more that three exclusive shmups.

KBZ · Post by **KBZ** » Sat May 13, 2006 2:24 am

here here, time for some new genres I say! Or at least more focus on a greater number of genres

jp · Post by jp » Sat May 13, 2006 2:30 am

Senko no Ronde: Revision X comes out for the 360 soon...

As for the "Its only FPS, sports titles, and racing games!"

I really don't understand these statements. Do you people just not acknowledge Lost Planet, Enchanted Arms, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Gears of War, Kameo, Blazing Angels, Over G Fighter, Chrome Hounds, Dead Rising, Ninety Nine Nights, Dead or Alive 4, DDRUniverse, Mass Effect, Too Human, Viva Pinata, etc.

Yes, there a lot of FPS on the 360. They sell well. There is the exact same number of sports and racing games on the 360, that will be on the other consoles when they come out. There are more non-FPS games announced for the 360... than there are FPS shooter games on and announced for the 360.

icycalm · Post by **icycalm** » Sat May 13, 2006 2:59 am

You can copy-paste that all you like. It still won't prevent some dude totally ignoring reality and posting nonsense like "the Xbox 360 only has FPS and racing games lol".

jp · Post by jp » Sat May 13, 2006 3:18 am

icycalm wrote:You can copy-paste that all you like. It still won't prevent some dude totally ignoring reality and posting nonsense like "the Xbox 360 only has FPS and racing games lol".

I imagine so...

Arznei · Post by **Arznei** » Sat May 13, 2006 3:21 am

Lost Planet, Enchanted Arms, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Gears of War, Kameo, Blazing Angels, Over G Fighter, Chrome Hounds, Dead Rising, Ninety Nine Nights, Dead or Alive 4, DDRUniverse, Mass Effect, Too Human, Viva Pinata, etc.

Half of those titles aren't in Australia yet, so I can't comment on them. However Viva Pinata looked kind of dumb, Dead or Alive 4 had a horrible counter system, & Kameo lasts like 8 hours, too.

Oblivion looks awesome, and I'm very interested in it, but it's also featured on the PC. The 360 controller can be bought and used on a PC as well. So technically, if you upgrade your PC a little, and buy a 360 Windows compatible controller, you will see the same experience as what would be owning Oblivion and a 360. Playing it on a monitor would probably be better, as well.

We have stuff here like Ghost Recon, Far Cry, Burnout Revenge and The Outfit. Pfffffft... those are all lurking around the racing/fps area. I can't even imagine what the point of having a Dance Dance Revolution title on the 360 would be. For the price, it is not worth it. The 360 was released in march (november in america) and I don't think it has spread it's wings just yet.

I expect more fps/racing/war games/sims in the future before the good stuff finally comes around.

jp · Post by jp » Sat May 13, 2006 3:42 am

Arznei wrote:
Lost Planet, Enchanted Arms, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Gears of War, Kameo, Blazing Angels, Over G Fighter, Chrome Hounds, Dead Rising, Ninety Nine Nights, Dead or Alive 4, DDRUniverse, Mass Effect, Too Human, Viva Pinata, etc.
Half of those titles aren't in Australia yet, so I can't comment on them. However Viva Pinata looked kind of dumb, Dead or Alive 4 had a horrible counter system, & Kameo lasts like 8 hours, too.

Most of those games aren't out yet period.

I'm just pointing out that the 360 has a lot more lined up than the generic "FPS/Racing games/sports games".

Kron · Post by **Kron** » Sat May 13, 2006 8:32 am

Again the problem is that the lineup is so totally and utterly dominated by the same type of games, Its all well and good saying the 360 also has blah blah blah but they simply are coming across as half assed token gestures. And many of the titles are not worthy of a second look baring 1 or 2 max.

If you actually take a look at the 360 release date schedule the games are spread so thinly that there are a couple of titles due around June then pretty much nothing for 6 months after, Let alone games that don't fall within the 3 seemingly target genres.

Its incredibly difficult to be objective about the machine when in all honesty that have made a really poor job of getting new distinctive content on it.

icycalm · Post by **icycalm** » Sat May 13, 2006 11:08 am

Kron wrote:Again the problem is that the lineup is so totally and utterly dominated by the same type of games

So your first console was a Dreamcast?

Let me tell you something son: in the glory days of the NES, the PC Engine, the Mega Drive and the Super Famicom, we had exactly HALF genres that are available today. You should consider yourself lucky.

Kron wrote:And many of the titles are not worthy of a second look baring 1 or 2 max.

I don't know what you are talking about. I'd say a good 25 titles have me wetting my pants. Just because they don't float your boat doesn't mean they "are not worthy of a second look barring 1 or 2 max."

Kron wrote:Let alone games that don't fall within the 3 seemingly target genres.

It would be a wise idea to check some big gaming websites once a year, so as not to make a fool of yourself with comments like this. There are games for at least 6-8 genres out now, with more (for example, bemani) coming out in the future.

Its incredibly difficult to be objective about the machine when in all honesty I only like shmups.

Fixed.

lol

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Sat May 13, 2006 11:22 am

elvis wrote:
Arznei wrote:Not racing, first person shooting or sports titles that's for sure
Thank goodness. And here I was thinking I was the only one who is sick to death of those genres.

Saturation point much?

I make a motion, that anyone who speaks favourably of said genres in Shmups Chat be suspended from the forum for up to one week, depending on the severity of the transgression. In cases like "I played Pole Position on my Atari when I was younger", a caution should be issued.

Kron · Post by **Kron** » Sat May 13, 2006 12:32 pm

icycalm wrote:Again the problem is that the lineup is so totally and utterly dominated by the same type of games

So your first console was a Dreamcast?

Let me tell you something son: in the glory days of the NES, the PC Engine, the Mega Drive and the Super Famicom, we had exactly HALF genres that are available today. You should consider yourself lucky.
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No my very first system was a Commodore 16 and I've owned pretty much every system since the mid eighties.

Each and everyone one of those consoles had a better representation of software than what the 360 represents and brings.

icycalm wrote:I don't know what you are talking about. I'd say a good 25 titles have me wetting my pants.

Good for you, You are obviously the exact sort of person who Microsoft are interested in appealing to. Its a shame they aren't interested in expanding gaming as apposed to making it a limited experience for a certain group of people.

icycalm wrote: It would be a wise idea to check some big gaming websites once a year, so as not to make a fool of yourself with comments like this. There are games for at least 6-8 genres out now, with more (for example, bemani) coming out in the future.

They can be checked as many times as you'd like it still doesn't change the fact its totally under representing what could be possible and is on offer on other platforms.

6-8 genres? Is gaming really that limited nowadays? People obviously have such low transparent expectations.

Its incredibly difficult to be objective about the machine when in all honesty I only like shmups.
Fixed.

lol

Shmups aren't even my favourite type of games.

Post by **system11** » Sat May 13, 2006 1:06 pm

Kron wrote:Each and everyone one of those consoles had a better representation of software than what the 360 represents and brings.

Why don't you just come clean and admit you hate the 360 for whatever reason, along with the PS2 which IIRC you also hate (despite a massive and incredibly diverse software library). It's ok to just say "I hate the 360 because it's by Microsoft", but to claim it has no good games or deny that there's good stuff on the horizon is folly.

Dead Or Alive 4, Oblivion, GRAW, Condemned, Call Of Duty 2, NFS:MW, Tomb Raider, Topspin 2, Blazing Angels, Tony Hawk - some of the games on the shelf right now for the 360. What do they have in common? None of them suck, and each is from a different genre - and really I could have included more since you can't compare the gameplay of PGR3 with Full Auto. Of course when you get bored with them, that's fine because you can download for a low price a small stack of puzzle games, some old arcade titles, and other bits & bobs from the marketplace.

I'd like to see more 2d games, simpler arcade style play titles, but the fact for the moment is this won't happen, and if you want to be assured of those game types you'll probably want to run with a Revolution. This is because we are relics from a gaming age long since passed, and the new breed want Madden 07 with visible sweat droplets when the guys run into eachother.

Despite this, seeing some of the E3 stuff (although not as much as I'd have liked due to shitty moviestyle trailers), I'm fairly content with what's coming. It's not what we had in the past, it's what will sell now, and some of it is looking very nice.

Kron · Post by **Kron** » Sat May 13, 2006 1:17 pm

None of those games may suck in your opinion but they also add nothing that sets them apart from the previous generation apart from a graphical update. They are also all sequels apart from Condemned which shows the genreal lack of imagination that is rife on the system.

The 360 is dissapointing to me because of the half assed non interesting software and lack of genuinely insightfull and well developed exclusives.

I don't know where the anti PS2 thing comes from, I own one with over 120 games so please don't talk utter tripe.

jp · Post by jp » Sat May 13, 2006 1:37 pm

Kron wrote:None of those games may suck in your opinion but they also add nothing that sets them apart from the previous generation apart from a graphical update. They are also all sequels apart from Condemned which shows the genreal lack of imagination that is rife on the system.

The 360 is dissapointing to me because of the half assed non interesting software and lack of genuinely insightfull and well developed exclusives.

I don't know where the anti PS2 thing comes from, I own one with over 120 games so please don't talk utter tripe.

Kameo was damn good and it wasn't a sequel. Actually, its one of the best 3D platformer games I've ever played.

Post by **system11** » Sat May 13, 2006 1:53 pm

Kron wrote:None of those games may suck in your opinion but they also add nothing that sets them apart from the previous generation apart from a graphical update.

Sorry but someone's going to have to break this to you. Welcome to gaming. The majority of software on any system is just reinventing the wheel with current technology. Even the super revolutionary controller from Nintendo was shown 1) shooting people, 2) playing tennis, and 3) playing a 3d runaround Zelda.

Kron wrote:The 360 is dissapointing to me because of the half assed non interesting software and lack of genuinely insightfull and well developed exclusives.

Then you won't be buying another game system ever again, I suppose.

Kron wrote:I don't know where the anti PS2 thing comes from, I own one with over 120 games so please don't talk utter tripe.

Ok, fair enough.

Kron · Post by **Kron** » Sat May 13, 2006 3:59 pm

bloodflowers wrote:[going to have to break this to you. Welcome to gaming.

No, Its welcome to gaming on the 360.

Kron wrote: Then you won't be buying another game system ever again, I suppose.

I'll be buying a Wii and a PS3 as they will offer infinately more interesting options and don't suffer from this need to limit new ideas.

Anyway I'm bored of going on about it now as its pretty obvious nothing is going to change from Microsofts perspective.

jp · Post by jp » Sat May 13, 2006 4:45 pm

Kron wrote:
Anyway I'm bored of going on about it now as its pretty obvious nothing is going to change from my perspective.

Fixed.

Kron · Post by **Kron** » Sat May 13, 2006 4:47 pm

No you haven't fixed it you've just defended the onslaught of totally generic software.

TVG · Post by **TVG** » Sat May 13, 2006 8:08 pm

euro lineup really sucks. i'm sorry if i just cannot care about tomb rider, virtua fighter light (i mean titfighter), tennis 12423 and burnout.

oblivion is just too good for words, but the dude has a point in saying you can just play it on PC.
kameo is a nice little game that will keep you entertained for a few hours, with pretty good graphics, but nothing outstanding (besides the OMG SO MUCH TROLLS)

Dandy J · Post by **Dandy J** » Sat May 13, 2006 9:12 pm

The vagrant wrote:(i mean titfighter)

lmao

TVG · Post by **TVG** » Sat May 13, 2006 9:16 pm

stole it from someone else tho, usually i just call it VF light, because it's what it is.

not that im a VF fan or anything. i prefer tekken over it.

magnum opus · Post by **magnum opus** » Sat May 13, 2006 9:52 pm

Kron wrote:None of those games may suck in your opinion but they also add nothing that sets them apart from the previous generation apart from a graphical update. They are also all sequels apart from Condemned which shows the genreal lack of imagination that is rife on the system.

unlike the absolutely unique shmups, rpgs, and platformers of the earlier generations

Post by **system11** » Sat May 13, 2006 11:13 pm

Kron wrote:
bloodflowers wrote:[going to have to break this to you. Welcome to gaming.
No, Its welcome to gaming on the 360.

arcade: shooters, platform games, random action stuff
8 bits: shooters, platform games, random action stuff, text adventures
master system/nes: shooters, platform games, random action stuff, rpgs
snes/megadrive: shooters, platform games, random action stuff, rpgs, fighting games
amiga/st: shooters, platform games, random action stuff, puzzle games
psx/ps2/etc: shooters, 3d platform games, 3d random action stuff, puzzle games, rpgs

As I say, welcome to gaming. The majority of software on any system is just updates from the one that came before it. You well know this, but you're choosing to not recognise it. The 360 is just another variation on what has come before it, as the Revolution and PS3 will be. Sonys E3 showing was actually the most depressing of the lot, as their highlight reel of trailers was -nothing- but FPS/racing/etc, compacted into one great big seen before pill. Arguably the only really big shift in gaming is widespread and integrated multiple online, which Microsoft reinvented.

And that's coming from someone who hates M$, too.

Kron wrote:
bloodflowers wrote: Then you won't be buying another game system ever again, I suppose.
I'll be buying a Wii and a PS3 as they will offer infinately more interesting options and don't suffer from this need to limit new ideas.

Did you even watch E3? PS3 is no different to the 360, potentially weaker as they don't even have the marketplace outlet for simpler or more obscure stuff. Nintendo want to sell you all the same games again with a new controller. Hey, good luck to them - while their product doesn't interest me, it's always nice to see an alternate gaming view. Just don't try calling it innovative, because it's anything but.

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Sat May 13, 2006 11:34 pm

Did you even watch E3? PS3 is no different to the 360, potentially weaker as they don't even have the marketplace outlet for simpler or more obscure stuff.

Yeah, really. It's all Metal Gear Solid and shit at this point. I doubt all 120 (!) of those PS2 games are revolutionary either...