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 Post subject: Re: The State of Emulation topic
PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:32 am 


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One question:
Can I use this to groovymame?
https://www.evga.com/articles/00429/


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:36 am 


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Depends what you expect from GroovyMAME, if it's for a CRT setup, then nVidia is a bad pick because they're not compatible with CRT_Emudriver, and the latter is only for AMD cards.

With nVidia cards you can use Groovy but not at any refresh rate you'd wish, you'll be limited to a small number fixed custom modes, something like 10 modes, on which all games will lock on to, producing an approximately 99% refresh speed accuracy.
(assuming your version of the nVidia drivers let you create custom resolutions)
Moreover that will be at a fixed native resolution for either a LCD (if that lcd supports non-60Hz refresh rates) or a simple PC CRT.
You could eventually get 15Khz output the old way using Soft15Khz, but it's a really obsolete method I don't recommend.

Much simpler is to get an AMD card with an analogue VGA or DVI-I output (the 'I' is crucial), there are many from the old Radeaon HD series to the later 'R' series that feature those.
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 Post subject: Re: The State of Emulation topic
PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:03 pm 


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Xyga wrote:
Depends what you expect from GroovyMAME, if it's for a CRT setup, then nVidia is a bad pick because they're not compatible with CRT_Emudriver, and the latter is only for AMD cards.

With nVidia cards you can use Groovy but not at any refresh rate you'd wish, you'll be limited to a small number fixed custom modes, something like 10 modes, on which all games will lock on to, producing an approximately 99% refresh speed accuracy.
(assuming your version of the nVidia drivers let you create custom resolutions)
Moreover that will be at a fixed native resolution for either a LCD (if that lcd supports non-60Hz refresh rates) or a simple PC CRT.
You could eventually get 15Khz output the old way using Soft15Khz, but it's a really obsolete method I don't recommend.

Much simpler is to get an AMD card with an analogue VGA or DVI-I output (the 'I' is crucial), there are many from the old Radeaon HD series to the later 'R' series that feature those.


I Would use it whit a pc CRT.
Still bad choice?


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 Post subject: Re: The State of Emulation topic
PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:01 pm 


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third_strike wrote:
Xyga wrote:
Depends what you expect from GroovyMAME, if it's for a CRT setup, then nVidia is a bad pick because they're not compatible with CRT_Emudriver, and the latter is only for AMD cards.

With nVidia cards you can use Groovy but not at any refresh rate you'd wish, you'll be limited to a small number fixed custom modes, something like 10 modes, on which all games will lock on to, producing an approximately 99% refresh speed accuracy.
(assuming your version of the nVidia drivers let you create custom resolutions)
Moreover that will be at a fixed native resolution for either a LCD (if that lcd supports non-60Hz refresh rates) or a simple PC CRT.
You could eventually get 15Khz output the old way using Soft15Khz, but it's a really obsolete method I don't recommend.

Much simpler is to get an AMD card with an analogue VGA or DVI-I output (the 'I' is crucial), there are many from the old Radeaon HD series to the later 'R' series that feature those.


I Would use it whit a pc CRT.
Still bad choice?


It's fine, unless you're extremely picky. If you get a good monitor, it's going to be very pretty.

No display lag and CRT motion resolution. Think of it as a midrange solution. You're still blowing plasma (Yeah, I said it. Plasma kinda sucks.), LCD, and OLED out of the water.

If it's a good monitor with low hours (and good color), a PC CRT and GroovyMAME can be a very good affordable solution.
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 Post subject: Re: The State of Emulation topic
PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:25 pm 


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To get the proper framerates you might still need an AMD though (or with the nVidia you might get the alternative limited fixed modes method working). Resolution-wise I read somewhere you can use some sort of doubled '120Hz 240p' with the proper crt ranges and modes if your monitor supports it, but that it kills the smoothness or something, and well, the scanlines will look super thicc. Better stick to +/-60Hz and apply fake scanlines instead.

Anyway using GroovyMAME over a single 60Hz mode is like using only half of its features and benefits, you're bound to that and forced to play games more or less sped-up or triplebuffered (the latter disable lag reduction and isn't smooth), even if you can control which games are influenced or not with the 'sync_refresh_tolerance' setting it still kinda sucks, I mean it'd be too bad to have a CRT and Groovy, and not use that combo to its better potential, IMO.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:30 pm 


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Xyga is 100% correct.

But, to be fair, I was referencing using line doubled mode and native refresh rates. No exotic video modes.

If you are short on money and you can find a good PC monitor for free (they are out there), then you're getting a lot of performance for very little. It just depends on how far you want to take it.
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 Post subject: Re: The State of Emulation topic
PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:42 pm 


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Oh I mentioned that because if the monitor supports '120Hz 240p' (need at least SVGA iirc) I think it's possible to try software BFI along. never tried that myself but I think it's not woth the trouble on a crt anyway. :p

There several different ways to use Groovy, each giving access to more or less features/benefits, and with different levels of complexity/learning curve.
Like;
GM with 60Hz lcd or pc crt (only setting the monitor type)
GM with 60Hz lcd or pc crt, +using lag and smoothness management settings (frame_delay, sync_refresh_tolerance, vsync_offset)
GM with lcd that supports custom modes (some older monitors or several current ViewSonic), using about 10 modes like 54, 55, 56, etc created with the AMD or nVidia control panel or CRU to sync on, producing 99% refresh accuracy
GM with pc crt and similar to above
GM with freesync/gsync lcd setup (not sure if without issues)
GM with 120+Hz lcd (optional software BFI)
GM with pc crt able to handle '120Hz 240p' (optional software BFI)
GM with lcd that supports custom modes, AMD discrete gpu and CRT_Emudriver, 100% refresh accuracy
GM with 15khz crt, AMD discrete gpu w/ only digital out and super resolutions (need something like a working HDMI>VGA converter, still experimental)
GM with 15khz crt, AMD APU with mobo/bios able to output 15khz (hazardous/still experimental)
GM with 15khz crt, AMD discrete gpu w/ VGA or DVI-I and CRT_Emudriver (the full experience)

And I'm sure I'm missing some. :mrgreen:

nVidia cards are not completely useless, But it's noticeable that the best are only accessible with an AMD gpu and CRT_Emudriver.
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 Post subject: Re: The State of Emulation topic
PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:44 pm 


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That is may PC monitor:
https://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-s ... 21-series/
I have two this things.
I am sold please just say me a graphic card model and I will buy it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:09 pm 


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I'm not sure, there are many AMD models, you'll need one from the list under the latest drivers 2.0 beta 15 (Adrenalin 18.5.1 for GCN* cards) either for Windows 7/8 or 10.
http://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?id=295
Personally I'd go for a mid-range R series (always with at least a VGA or DVI-I out!!! so avoid the RX and Vega if you don't want to bother with adapters) but some users know cheaper-yet-good options.

You might get more enlighted recommendations over at the GroovyMAME forums: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?board=52.0
Do not hesitate to open a thread there to ask anything! :wink:
(you will definitely need help the first time to properly set and configure)
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 Post subject: Re: The State of Emulation topic
PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:39 pm 


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Xyga wrote:
I'm not sure, there are many AMD models, you'll need one from the list under the latest drivers 2.0 beta 15 (Adrenalin 18.5.1 for GCN* cards) either for Windows 7/8 or 10.
http://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?id=295
Personally I'd go for a mid-range R series (always with at least a VGA or DVI-I out!!! so avoid the RX and Vega if you don't want to bother with adapters) but some users know cheaper-yet-good options.

You might get more enlighted recommendations over at the GroovyMAME forums: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?board=52.0
Do not hesitate to open a thread there to ask anything! :wink:
(you will definitely need help the first time to properly set and configure)

Thanks!
i will go with this to test
https://www.gigabyte.com/br/Graphics-Ca ... -rev-11#ov


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 Post subject: Re: The State of Emulation topic
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:44 am 


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This, doesn't really fit here but I don't remember if we had a translated shmups thread, anyway;

Karous (DC) english translation patch: http://segasky.itch.io/karous-eng-translation


off-topic: Fire Emblem: Thracia 776 as well http://www.romhacking.net/translations/4653/
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 Post subject: Re: The State of Emulation topic
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:38 pm 


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Hey guys, so now that I'm getting settled into Groovymame and got everything running relatively well, someone on the GM forums told me about increasing the frame delay feature for each rom until I start getting frame drops (F11 to show frame drops). It feels good but I'm curious as to what you fellow shumpers are running. I'm running a vertical CRT (RGB modded thanks to Mark on this forum).


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 Post subject: Re: The State of Emulation topic
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Not strictly emulation, but dgVoodoo 2.6 has been released adding support D3D9. dgVoodoo 2 is a graphic API wrapper for PC games. It can often help with games that have rendering errors and like emulators allows overriding rendering resolution. Sadly a lot of D3D9 games don't work with resolution overriding, but relevant to this forum, these two seem to work fine:

Raiden III (usually locked to 640x480)
Strania: The Stella Machina (usually locked to 1280x720)


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 Post subject: Re: The State of Emulation topic
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ZellSF wrote:
Not strictly emulation, but dgVoodoo 2.6 has been released adding support D3D9. dgVoodoo 2 is a graphic API wrapper for PC games. It can often help with games that have rendering errors and like emulators allows overriding rendering resolution. Sadly a lot of D3D9 games don't work with resolution overriding, but relevant to this forum, these two seem to work fine:

Raiden III (usually locked to 640x480)
Strania: The Stella Machina (usually locked to 1280x720)

I also tried the Type X versions of Raiden III & IV with dgVoodoo, both worked, but IV was not fun to get running.

RPSC3 developers are experimenting with various ways of framerate uncapping games, obviously nothing will work universally for all games, but it does sound like some games will work. Long way until RPCS3 will be perfect or I will have a PC capable of running it, but for some reason I never thought 30 FPS games could be unlocked at all and now I'm curious which games will get a massive improvement from this in the future.

Cxbx-Reloaded supports high resolution rendering now, which sounded like fun news until I remembered that none of the games I want to play actually run in the emulator yet.


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The latest release of bsnes not only features Sameboy integration for quite possibly the most accurate Super Game Boy experience to date, but the feature to end all features - the freaking snow effect from ZSNES.

I literally have no reason to use any other SFC emulator anymore. :D
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Didn't bsnes already do FC/NES as well? If so that's a useful piece of software.


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