Renegade on PS2!

DC906270 · Post by **DC906270** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:15 am

this one seems to have slipped by unnoticed, but the 80's arcade classic 'Renegade' by Technos has a PS2 conversion by Hamster :

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-r-7 ... -16yy.html

bigbadboaz · Post by **bigbadboaz** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:21 am

Renegade rules, dude.

"Get lost, punk!"

DC906270 · Post by **DC906270** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:27 am

yeah, it does. and not mamed properly yet either

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:33 pm

Does it hold a candle to River City Ransom?

DC906270 · Post by **DC906270** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:24 pm

i think its the same game......... River City Ransom being the NES version (i think? - if im wrong, shoot me...)

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:27 pm

DC906270 wrote:i think its the same game......... River City Ransom being the NES version (i think? - if im wrong, shoot me...)

I can't tell for sure, as I played the NES version only, which is, like, the best game in the known universe.

But I think it's a "port from arcade" just like NES Bionic Commando was.

DC906270 · Post by **DC906270** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:38 pm

do you kick fellas off motorbikes in the 2nd level? if yes, then it sounds like Renegade

Post by **system11** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:58 pm

Turrican wrote:But I think it's a "port from arcade" just like NES Bionic Commando was.

Let's not be bashful - NES "port from arcade" = terrible mutilation of arcade originals, either by scaling them back, censoring them, or changing the gameplay completely.

Yes I'm still bitter about their bastardisation of Ninja Gaiden.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:08 pm

bloodflowers wrote:
Turrican wrote:But I think it's a "port from arcade" just like NES Bionic Commando was.
Let's not be bashful - NES "port from arcade" = terrible mutilation of arcade originals, either by scaling them back, censoring them, or changing the gameplay completely.

Yes I'm still bitter about their bastardisation of Ninja Gaiden.

You realize that you're saying you actually like Bionic Commando more in its arcade form?

Bionic Commando NES is a terrible mutation like a human being is terribly mutated from some aminoacids in the primordial sea.

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:33 pm

DC906270 wrote:yeah, it does. and not mamed properly yet either

I've played Renegade a hundred times on Mame... am I missing something?

DC906270 · Post by **DC906270** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:52 pm

Marc wrote:I've played Renegade a hundred times on Mame... am I missing something?

it sometimes crashes when i play. theres a warning message before the rom boots saying it doesnt work properly. and also, i cant seem to pull off some of the moves, which require 2 buttons to be pressed at same time. maybe its me. but the PS2 version is great! its not renegade like we know it, its the jap version. Renegade had graphic changes for the western release, and its got a different start up screen. although the awesome music's still the same, and the gameplay remains as cool as ever. they dont make them like this anymore - beats Double Dragon for me.

LoneSage · Post by **LoneSage** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:09 pm

Turrican wrote:
DC906270 wrote:i think its the same game......... River City Ransom being the NES version (i think? - if im wrong, shoot me...)
I can't tell for sure, as I played the NES version only, which is, like, the best game in the known universe.

Renegade's actually the first game in the Nekketsu/Kunio universe. RCR is its sequel.
There is an NES port of Renegade, but it's pretty different. Not as much as 'Double Dragon NES port' different, but still.

Target: Renegade, however, was made by an American developer and claimed to be the sequel to Renegade; in reality, it has nothing to do with the Nekketsu games and is a horrible, horrible beat 'em up.

DC906270 · Post by **DC906270** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:16 pm

LoneSage wrote:Renegade's actually the first game in the Nekketsu/Kunio universe

cool, ive been wanting to find out more about this series for ages. Theres a few games in this series on the PC Engine, and a couple of games on the GBA. If you have anymore info & recommendations you can share on these, id be most grateful!

and is River City Ransom the Japanese title for the sequel to renegade, or just the western released version?

LoneSage · Post by **LoneSage** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:23 pm

DC906270 wrote: cool, ive been wanting to find out more about this series for ages. Theres a few games in this series on the PC Engine, and a couple of games on the GBA. If you have anymore info & recommendations you can share on these, id be most grateful!

and is River City Ransom the Japanese title for the sequel to renegade, or just the western released version?

This is a pretty good site to get your Kunio fix: http://www.angelfire.com/games3/johnnyundaunted/

I remember my first Nekketsu game was an actual arcade (Super Dodge Ball); I had saved up months and months to buy it, I didn't even know it was part of the series, but I love it...great game, the other sports games are top-notch too, check em on the NES.

DC906270 · Post by **DC906270** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:56 pm

i think ill try out the GBA compilations. theres also a 'Nekketsu Monagarati EX' for the GBA, aka River City Ransom EX

thanks for the tips though man

Post by **system11** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 10:36 pm

Turrican wrote:You realize that you're saying you actually like Bionic Commando more in its arcade form?

Yes - BC is great in the arcades. If I buy BC for my home system, I want that game I played in the arcade, or the best conversion of it. I don't expect a different game entirely, using the name as a sales point.

it290 · Post by **it290** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:34 pm

BC I can semi-understand wanting to play the arcade version (although personally I don't care for either that much), but frankly I can't fathom anyone preferring the arcade Ninja Gaiden to the NES one.

As for RCR EX, it's a faithful remake of the NES game (with some cool added features), but it has one fatal flaw -- no 2 player. RCR really isn't that great as a single player game.

Post by **system11** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:40 pm

it290 wrote:BC I can semi-understand wanting to play the arcade version (although personally I don't care for either that much), but frankly I can't fathom anyone preferring the arcade Ninja Gaiden to the NES one.

Oh, that's simple. Ninja Gaiden arcade is a rather excellent side scrolling beater which never did get bested in the interaction with environment stakes. It didn't hurt that it looked and sounded great too. The NES "version" is a dumb action platformer. Like so many others.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:03 am

Turrican wrote:Does it hold a candle to River City Ransom?

Renegade doesn't hold a candle to River City Ransom. Calling it the same game is like calling Salamander "Gradius". Renegade has a much smaller moveset, is linear, and (IMO) isn't nearly as fun or as polished as River City Ransom. Here is a place with more info on Kunio games. http://hg101.classicgaming.gamespy.com/kunio/kunio.htm

I don't get all this talk about the arcade Bionic Commando being superior to the NES one. The NES version has better control, more levels, RPG elements, and a better plot (though it was butchered for the US version). You can't swing the bionic rope in the air in the arcade like you can in the NES version. It's also harder to land on top of enemies in the arcade version. The NES version is also much better balanced when it comes to difficulty. In the arcade one, it seems almost impossible to escape from enemies sometimes due to the more limited control. I like the arcade version, though.

As for RCR EX, I don't agree about the lack of 2 player killing it. It is disappointing that it's missing, but the game is a blast in one player IMO. I also feel that some of the new features like computer AI and bosses that can join you make up for it somewhat. However, I don't know if I like it better than the NES one. The GBA one has some cool additions, but, from what I heard, the NES one is better balanced and has 2 player.

bloodflowers wrote:
Turrican wrote:But I think it's a "port from arcade" just like NES Bionic Commando was.
Let's not be bashful - NES "port from arcade" = terrible mutilation of arcade originals, either by scaling them back, censoring them, or changing the gameplay completely.

Yes I'm still bitter about their bastardisation of Ninja Gaiden.

I'm shocked! I thought most people knew RCR wasn't an arcade port. Also, arcade perfect doesn't always equal good. There are conversions on NES that suck, but calling ALL of them a terrible mutilation of the originals isn't just harsh, it's just plain untrue. Also, sometimes games aren't better or worse than other versions, just different.

I don't understand why Ninja Gaiden is labelled as a "dumb platformer", though. The hit detection isn't messed up, the action is fast, there are a variety of cool weapons like a shuriken that hits enemies and comes back to you and a group of flames that burns enemies, it was probably the first platform game where you can cling onto walls, and the levels are well varied.

DC906270 · Post by **DC906270** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:01 am

Bloodflowers wrote:Ninja Gaiden arcade is a rather excellent side scrolling beater

you mean Ninja Gaiden arcade aka Shadow Warriors? Yeah, completely different game to the NES version. Shadow Warriors was a 2 player side scrolling beat em up a la Double Dragon. Ninja Gaiden NES was a 1 player scrolling action platformer/adventure game. I dont know if they were ever meant to be associated at all.

Post by **system11** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:06 am

DC906270 wrote:
Bloodflowers wrote:Ninja Gaiden arcade is a rather excellent side scrolling beater
you mean Ninja Gaiden arcade aka Shadow Warriors?

Yup - Ninja Ryukenden (jp), Ninja Gaiden (us), Shadow Warriors (world).

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:55 am

bloodflowers wrote:
DC906270 wrote:
Bloodflowers wrote:Ninja Gaiden arcade is a rather excellent side scrolling beater
you mean Ninja Gaiden arcade aka Shadow Warriors?
Yup - Ninja Ryukenden (jp), Ninja Gaiden (us), Shadow Warriors (world).

And I always felt it was kinda weird was that the Atari Lynx got both versions released, Ninja Gaiden (arcade, minus a level) and Ninja Gaiden III (nes).

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:08 pm

Kunio recommendations?

Ike! Ike! Nekketsu Hockey Bu. NES and GBA. Fucking badass if you liked Ice Hockey for NES, though it's better to play it in an emu w/translated rh0m.

Dodgeball Bu Soccer Hen is a soccer game. Haven't tried it on PCE CD but on MD, GB, PCE, NES it's a fun game. AKA Nintendo World Cup Soccer.

River City Ransom is ok though not arcadey like the previous two, they added stupid RPG stuff which could have been accomplished in the gameplay. The PCE CD one is around $150 and the X68000 one is...on X68k, but they're both better than the NES version.

Post by **system11** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:07 am

Thunder Force wrote:
bloodflowers wrote:Yup - Ninja Ryukenden (jp), Ninja Gaiden (us), Shadow Warriors (world).
And I always felt it was kinda weird was that the Atari Lynx got both versions released, Ninja Gaiden (arcade, minus a level) and Ninja Gaiden III (nes).

Which one did they drop out? Seems odd. I can get to level 4 on a credit, but tend to suffer a bit before the boss on that one - where suffer = dead.

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 5:14 pm

bloodflowers wrote:
Thunder Force wrote:Atari Lynx got both versions released, Ninja Gaiden (arcade, minus a level) and Ninja Gaiden III (nes).
Which one did they drop out? Seems odd.

My memory fails me. Though I think it was because they ran out of storage space on the card.

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:16 am

LoneSage wrote:
Turrican wrote:
DC906270 wrote:i think its the same game......... River City Ransom being the NES version (i think? - if im wrong, shoot me...)
I can't tell for sure, as I played the NES version only, which is, like, the best game in the known universe.
Renegade's actually the first game in the Nekketsu/Kunio universe. RCR is its sequel.
There is an NES port of Renegade, but it's pretty different. Not as much as 'Double Dragon NES port' different, but still.

Target: Renegade, however, was made by an American developer and claimed to be the sequel to Renegade; in reality, it has nothing to do with the Nekketsu games and is a horrible, horrible beat 'em up.

No way, Target: Renegade on Spectrum at least was a solid game. Not quite as nice as the original in all honesty, but still quality. Now Renegade 3 - THAT was horrible.