Any unit that can act as a Power Condition + UPS?

[Lawfer]

And that also can work with 220-240V/50Hz?

I currently have a power condition from Belkin, but it can not act as a UPS, so it can't do anything against power outages.

I see alot of Power Conditioner + UPS units being sold exclusively for the North American market from Panamax, Belkin, Furman and so on but these can only take 120V/60Hz.

[Unseen]

And that also can work with 220-240V/50Hz?

Depends on what you mean by "Power Condition". You could for example use an online UPS, which never passes through mains directly but instead always runs the output from its internal conversion circuits even when the input-side power is available.

[Lawfer]

Depends on what you mean by "Power Condition".

Here's a description

An Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS): is a device with a backup battery that provides several minutes of power in the event of a blackout. Typically they are used with computers, to protect sensitive data by allowing enough time for proper shutdown.

A Power Conditioner: is a device which filters and distributes power to various types of electronic gear such as studio monitors or audio interfaces.

A unit that does both Power Conditioning and UPS seem to be referred to as a "Hybrid", here are some example of some such models sold for the USA market:

Panamax MX5102: https://www.panamax.com/product/hybrid- ... ner-MX5102

Belkin AP51300-10: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... _Home.html

[Taiyaki]

I use a Panamax power conditioner and it's wonderful, so I'd easily recommend Panamax.

[Lawfer]

I use a Panamax power conditioner and it's wonderful, so I'd easily recommend Panamax.

I would get one, issue is as far as I know it only works with an 100-120V/60Hz AC Lines as there's no model made for the European market (220-240V/50Hz)?

[Syntax]

If you have the coin Furman are the way to go.

https://www.furmanpower.com/product/150 ... 00-UPS%20E

[DirkSwizzler]

If you have the coin Furman are the way to go.

https://www.furmanpower.com/product/150 ... 00-UPS%20E

Is there any data that says this is something more useful than a standard UPS coated in snake oil?

When I looked into power conditioning myself I was unable to find a metric for comparing units in any meaningful way.

I ended up dropping the UPS aspect and hedging with a Furman PL-8C knowing that it might still be a waste.

[nmalinoski]

What's wrong with the power straight out of a UPS?

[Syntax]

If you have the coin Furman are the way to go.

https://www.furmanpower.com/product/150 ... 00-UPS%20E

Is there any data that says this is something more useful than a standard UPS coated in snake oil?

When I looked into power conditioning myself I was unable to find a metric for comparing units in any meaningful way.

I ended up dropping the UPS aspect and hedging with a Furman PL-8C knowing that it might still be a waste.

I had the same thought. Went and purchased a few PL-Plus CE units thinkings they would clean the power ect.

But the washing machine and fridge still cause pops and clicks in my audio when they fire up and they are on a different circuit even.
There is a decent size coil in there that would clean a fair amount of noise but nothing ive been able to notice.

All they have done is protect me from large spikes, one had its relay kinda die and i have to punch it to start it from cold now.

[Lawfer]

So is the F1500-UPS E a power conditioner + UPS or it's just (as DirkSwizzler put it) a "standard UPS coated in snake oil"?

Usually Power Conditioners have a specific sets of outlets reserved for specific needs, like "high current", "video", "audio" etc, but the F1500-UPS E doesn't seem to have any of it's outlets listed for any specifics needs and the back just looks like the back of any rack UPS's.

[Syntax]

Its a power conditioner + UPS but you have to supply an external battery.

[Lawfer]

Its a power conditioner + UPS but you have to supply an external battery.

From what I am reading you can use it without an external battery and it will supply up to 900w of autonomy, adding an optional extra battery will add 4 times more autonomy though.

Anyways thanks for the recommendation, but is that the only "Hybrid" (Power Condition and UPS) that would work in Europe and Australia though?

[Syntax]

There would be many other solutions im sure, I just went with Furman because i know someone that runs a music store and could order them in @ cost.

Recently I opened up an old IBM server rack UPS, that had 2 big coils and a large battery inside. Was too busy to have a play with it but the build was solid.

[Ikaruga11]

Do you guys have unclean electricity? What do you need a power conditioner for?

[Lawfer]

Do you guys have unclean electricity? What do you need a power conditioner for?

All electricity gets "polluted" for many different reasons, RFI, EMI, step down converters, non-incandescent light bulbs etc

What do you need a power conditioner for?

To filter and clean the electricity before sending it to the components, it also takes care of power surges, over voltages and a few other things.


https://westlakepro.com/6-reasons-need- ... onditoner/

[ldeveraux]

Do you guys have unclean electricity? What do you need a power conditioner for?

All electricity gets "polluted" for many different reasons, RFI, EMI, step down converters, non-incandescent light bulbs etc

What do you need a power conditioner for?

To filter and clean the electricity before sending it to the components, it also takes care of power surges, over voltages and a few other things.


https://westlakepro.com/6-reasons-need- ... onditoner/

I have the Furman recommended in the link and I can't see any difference. I realize it's only listed as "Good," but as best I can tell it's a glorified power strip. It has a better looking fuse which I can appreciate and I still use it, but does it make noticeably better audio/video? Nah.

[SuperPang]

Any use?
https://www.powerinspired.com/home/product-range/

[Ikaruga11]

All electricity gets "polluted" for many different reasons, RFI, EMI, step down converters, non-incandescent light bulbs etc

To filter and clean the electricity before sending it to the components, it also takes care of power surges, over voltages and a few other things.
https://westlakepro.com/6-reasons-need- ... onditoner/

I see. Clean electricity can improve the picture and audio quality of your setup, along with offering protection against power surges and prolonging the lifespan of your devices. Can unclean electricity reduce the lifespan of connected devices, even if they're not turned on?

[Lawfer]

Any use?
https://www.powerinspired.com/home/product-range/

Thanks, most of these are just run-of-the-mil UPS though, but this one seem like it could be used as a Power Conditioner + UPS (Optional External Battery required):

https://www.powerinspired.com/store/ac- ... -c-98.html

Can unclean electricity reduce the lifespan of connected devices, even if they're not turned on?

On PS2 and the launch PS3 you can completely cut the flow of electricity by flipping the switch on the back so it shouldn't matter if they are hooked.

On the SNES, Genesis, Xbox 360, Wii, Wii U and other AC Adapter devices the flow of electricity continues to flow in even if the consoles are not turned on, but since the electricity is coming from the AC Adapter it doesn't matter either, however I personally unhook them because the continuous flow of electricity is not good as keeping the consoles hooked 24/7 will leave no time for the consoles to cool off, I know for a fact that the Wii will remain hot/warm as long as you leave the AC Adapter hooked even if it's "powered off".

On PS4 or PS3 Slim I would advise to just turn off the console and unhook them when you are not using them.

"Unclean electricity" is the least of your worries though, using your units without good airflow, during hot summer days, putting all your AV stuff in an enclosed home theater furniture/cabinet with bad airflow and no room for heat dissipation, leaving your consoles hooked and switching between "power on" and in "sleep mode" 365 days per year, rooms with high temperatures, rooms with low temprature, rooms with humidity and so.

What can kill your devices in one go is over voltage or power surges, unhook ALL electrical devices from wall outlets during thunderstorms even if they are hooked to power surge protections.

[Ikaruga11]

"Unclean electricity" is the least of your worries though, using your units without good airflow, during hot summer days, putting all your AV stuff in an enclosed home theater furniture/cabinet with bad airflow and no room for heat dissipation, leaving your consoles hooked and switching between "power on" and in "sleep mode" 365 days per year, rooms with high temperatures, rooms with low temprature, rooms with humidity and so.

So I have a TV Stand with sliding glass doors that all my consoles are in. That's bad for my consoles?

[Lawfer]

"Unclean electricity" is the least of your worries though, using your units without good airflow, during hot summer days, putting all your AV stuff in an enclosed home theater furniture/cabinet with bad airflow and no room for heat dissipation, leaving your consoles hooked and switching between "power on" and in "sleep mode" 365 days per year, rooms with high temperatures, rooms with low temprature, rooms with humidity and so.

So I have a TV Stand with sliding glass doors that all my consoles are in. That's bad for my consoles?

Any holes on the back for airflow at least?

[Ikaruga11]

"Unclean electricity" is the least of your worries though, using your units without good airflow, during hot summer days, putting all your AV stuff in an enclosed home theater furniture/cabinet with bad airflow and no room for heat dissipation, leaving your consoles hooked and switching between "power on" and in "sleep mode" 365 days per year, rooms with high temperatures, rooms with low temprature, rooms with humidity and so.

So I have a TV Stand with sliding glass doors that all my consoles are in. That's bad for my consoles?

Any holes on the back for airflow at least?

Yes, there's multiple holes in the back for cable exits/airflow. I was thinking about removing the sliding class doors or simply keeping them open during use (which I would have to do anyway because all of my controllers are wired so I wouldn't be able to close the doors) for even more adequate air flow. The sliding glass doors really help keep dust off my consoles though.

[Lawfer]

Yes, there's multiple holes in the back for cable exits/airflow. I was thinking about removing the sliding class doors or simply keeping them open during use (which I would have to do anyway because all of my controllers are wired so I wouldn't be able to close the doors) for even more adequate air flow. The sliding glass doors really help keep dust off my consoles though.

So then, leave the sliding doors open while playing and close the sliding doors when not in use?

[Ikaruga11]

Yes, there's multiple holes in the back for cable exits/airflow. I was thinking about removing the sliding class doors or simply keeping them open during use (which I would have to do anyway because all of my controllers are wired so I wouldn't be able to close the doors) for even more adequate air flow. The sliding glass doors really help keep dust off my consoles though.

So then, leave the sliding doors open while playing and close the sliding doors when not in use?

Yeah, I'll do that. I could also put in a couple small fans inside/from the back to keep things cooler. Thanks

What's the best Power Conditioner + UPS?

[Lawfer]

Yeah, I'll do that. I could also put in a couple small fans inside/from the back to keep things cooler. Thanks

Do you use a receiver?

What's the best Power Conditioner + UPS?

No clue, that's why I started this thread. But don't you live in the USA? If so, then the question is, do you need a UPS? From what I understand in countries such as USA, Japan or Germany power outages aren't really a thing?

[SuperPang]

Thanks, most of these are just run-of-the-mil UPS though, but this one seem like it could be used as a Power Conditioner + UPS (Optional External Battery required):

https://www.powerinspired.com/store/ac- ... -c-98.html

That's the one I was thinking of. The conditioner is popular with audiophiles as it's cheap compared to the likes of PS Audio.

[Lawfer]

Thanks, most of these are just run-of-the-mil UPS though, but this one seem like it could be used as a Power Conditioner + UPS (Optional External Battery required):

https://www.powerinspired.com/store/ac- ... -c-98.html

That's the one I was thinking of. The conditioner is popular with audiophiles as it's cheap compared to the likes of PS Audio.

I know of PS Audio, but does PS Audio have any Power Conditioner + UPS units though?

[nmalinoski]

What's the best Power Conditioner + UPS?

I'm no power expert, but my choice would be an online UPS with pure sinewave output. That'll give you both over- and under-voltage protection, plus you should get clean output from the inverter, and the cost of a second-hand APC Smart-UPS and fresh batteries will be a fraction of what you'd be paying for a conditioner.

[Ikaruga11]

Do you use a receiver?

An audio receiver? No, but I might use one. What are receivers for again? My consoles will all be outputting digital sound via HDMI or TOSLink. I have an Extron Crosspoint that has 32 video and audio inputs/outputs in the form of BNC and Phoenix Connectors.

What's the best Power Conditioner + UPS?

No clue, that's why I started this thread. But don't you live in the USA? If so, then the question is, do you need a UPS? From what I understand in countries such as USA, Japan or Germany power outages aren't really a thing?[/quote]
Yes, I live in the USA. I only get power outages maybe a couple times a year at most, ranging in duration from less than a minute to a few hours tops.

[Lawfer]

An audio receiver? No, but I might use one. What are receivers for again?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AV_receiver

Yes, I live in the USA. I only get power outages maybe a couple times a year at most, ranging in duration from less than a minute to a few hours tops.

A few times a year? Hum, do you maybe live in a rural area or something? If you get power outages a few times a year, then getting a UPS might be worth it, especially for consoles such as the PS4 or PS3.

Since you live in the USA, you are in luck as there are many Power Conditioners + UPS units. Maybe look into Belkin "Hybrid" units? I seen a few on ebay for a good price. There's also Panamax and Furman.

The intent on getting a UPS is so that you can power off/shut down your electronics properly, a UPS will provide you with a few minutes of autonomy to give you enough time to shut down everything and then unhook.