PVM-9042QM aperture grille broken?...

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PVM-9042QM aperture grille broken?...

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If there's one forum where I know people love their PVMs it's here. So hopefully you guys can help me out.

Bought a PVM-9042QM and it just arrived today. At first most connections didn't work. Line A, B and their audio in didn't work at all, component worked, but the image was super unstable and V hold didn't make any difference. Opened it up. Dusted it out with my Datavac, and lo and behold, Line A, B, audio and V hold started working again. However, the image still isn't what it should be. Top half of the screen is purple, and no degaussing makes any difference. Turning it north, east, south or west doesn't help either. Only holding the unit completely upside down makes the purple go away, but then the bottom left corner turns green, lol. So, am I right and is the aperture grille FUBAR?...

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It was packed very badly with just a few sheets of air cushions - of which half were already flat.
When I picked it up I saw they had put the box on its side, so the screen had been facing up or down for at least 24 hours.

No idea how to decently embed pictures, so for convenience sake I spoilered the otherwise huge picture.
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Re: PVM-9042QM aperture grille broken?...

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Interesting dilemma. I presume you claimed for it, and want to see if it’s fixable anyway? From the pic and your description it’s certainly a purity problem, possibly caused by damage to the aperture grille, or perhaps by the fact it’s been moved around. If it is damaged, you might not be able to get it looking ok again. One important question to begin: are you in Australia, and was the set originally/shipped from Australia?

First of all, do you have access to a more powerful, external degaussing coil? I doubt it will help, but it’s worth a shot. There a few things to try after that:

After that, or anyway, go and get some magnets and try them around the top edge of the bezel, externally. Anything will do to start as long as it’s more powerful than a fridge magnet. Officeworks have some, or Jaycar. If this seems to help, grab more magnets online for cheap if you need to. Something like these - https://magnet.com.au/neodymium-disc-10 ... gJ3ZPD_BwE. If the grille is actually damaged, and/or if setting up the tube again doesn’t get things perfect, you may need to try this anyway. You can try sicking a few magnets around the tube like is shown in the setup procedure below as well, which will be more effective, but this will need to be done with the set running so be careful. Be aware that very strong magnets, like something from a subwoofer, might pull the grille out of shape permanently, and I would guess this is more likely if the grille has been damaged. Hell, you might even be able to pull the grille back into shape, but I’d save that for a true last resort.

If the magnets fix everything, you can leave it like that. If they don’t, the next and most complicated option is to try setting up the tube again. The procedure is described starting from section 3-1 on the service manual - https://www.manualslib.com/download/128 ... 8042q.html and you will likely have to do up to section 3-4. This video might also help - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmrrf5hiYQI. In fact that’s a good one to watch to give you an idea of what might be happening. Be aware that there are dangerous voltages around a CRT, and the deflection yoke itself has 1kV across it. It’s not easy to zap yourself, but if you’re going to attempt this, be careful.

Third, you might try leaving the set upside down, with the green corner corrected by a magnet or two. If you can’t flip the display via software this will mean breaking the yoke connector in half and turning each part around. This will rotate the raster scan by 180 degrees, flipping the display horizontally and vertically. This trick is often done on arcade monitors to minimise the noticeability of screen burn. Take a look at pdf page 95 of the service manual linked above, because mixing up the horizontal and vertical coils will destroy the deflection circuitry. If this works out, you could mount a small fan somewhere on the case, because heat might not be able to escape.

Those are the ideas that come to mind immediately, but someone else might have a better one.

EDIT: I guess one problem with any of the above might be that if the grille is actually loose, the fixes might not stick if it can move around. If you have the set running right way up, and rock it to the left and right sides, do the colours change much? IF it makes a slight metallic ringing sound and the colours change noticeably with only a little rocking, then yeah, the grille probably isn't good. Which is the question you were actually asking - seems i felt like writing an essay, lol. You can still apply the magnet fix above though, and see how it goes.

EDIT2" Now I've thought a bit more, you might try reseating the connectors inside the monitor. That might have been causing the inputs not to work.
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Re: PVM-9042QM aperture grille broken?...

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No need for a claim. The guy was very nice about it and offered me a full refund.

Both me and the PVM are from Belgium. At first I found that a weird question, but I think I get it now. I probably didn't express myself well enough when I said the screen was more or less ok when upside down. What I actually meant was the screen facing the floor. So unless I want to play lying down with a PVM dangling above me, splitting the yoke is not an option. And to be honest, splitting the yoke in half, I'm not sure if I would've been up for the task... lol

I don't have a decent external degaussing coil. As an alternative I used my Makita hammer drill, b̶u̶t̶ t̶h̶e̶ s̶c̶r̶e̶e̶n̶ w̶e̶n̶t̶ b̶l̶a̶c̶k̶ a̶f̶t̶e̶r̶ t̶h̶e̶ f̶i̶r̶s̶t̶ h̶o̶l̶e̶ which had some positive effect while going over the screen. But everything reverted back to how it was as soon as I stopped...

Only magnet I had was a fridge magnet. Externally it made very little difference. But once I held it close to the yoke it had a much more positive impact. So I'll see what I can find locally next week - been sick with a fever since monday so I try to stay inside as much as possible for now - and if no luck, I'll probably order some on eBay.

I don't think the mesh is loose as indeed the colors remain pretty much the same when I rock the unit to the left or right.

And since the connectors work now, I'll just leave them be for now. Things act up again, I'll keep your suggestion in mind.

Might take a while before I give an update as I'm usually a cheap mofo, so I'll probably order those magnets from China, lol. But I will keep you posted.
buttersoft wrote:Those are the ideas that come to mind immediately, but someone else might have a better one.
I think it'll be hard to top your essay tbh... :lol:

Thanks a lot though. I really appreciate the effort... ^^
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Re: PVM-9042QM aperture grille broken?...

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Closer to the yoke the magnets might affect convergence a little, though they might be ok. If you're going to go hard at it, setting the tube up from scratch is the best option. It could even be that the yoke moved a bit during shipping, and this would put it back into place. Setting up a tube can be painful the first few times you have to do it. Take lots of photos and mark where things are right now very, very carefully - the yoke position and angle, the wedges, the converge strips and the rings, any beam-landing magnets, etc. That way you have a good chance of going back if you absolutely have to.

Hope you get it sorted though :)
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