Questions about P.N. 03 and Virtua Quest...

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:22 am

I am currently trying to decide between the Cube and the XBOX, by way of deciding which one has the most games I'd like to get.

At any rate, P.N. 03 looks like an awesome shooter, but I've heard that it has awfull controls-does it?

And Virtua Quest-a bad AM2 game? I have hard time believing that, but most of what I've read about this game has been negative.

magnum opus · Post by **magnum opus** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:42 am

well i gotta recommend an X-box, but p.n.03's control scheme is... limiting. all the movement is pretty strictly quantized, comparedto maybe halo or your average 3d shooter these days yeah they suck. but it's a purposeful suck, if you're willing to play the game on its own terms the game rocks,

joshschw · Post by **joshschw** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 1:01 am

Virtua Quest is one of the worst games I have ever played, stay away from it, Dave.

As for Pn03, its fun but it is merely average. If you already had the Gamecube I;d recommend it but since you are trying to decide between an Xbox or Gamecube don't let Pn03 sway your vote.

And I'm serious about Virtua Quest...

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 1:25 am

IMO, the games worth getting GCN for are the Metroid Primes, Paper Mario, The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, Resident Evil (though the fourth one is coming to PS2 too), F-Zero GX, Viewtiful Joe (unless you already have PS2), Rogue Squadron 2 and 3, the Pikmin games, and Wario Ware (for multi). I also heard some good things about Mario Power Tennis. I love the Game Cube, but I really hate how the press is treating it, especially IGN, which once made all GameCube reviews insider only. IGN has also been giving some GCN games lower ratings for stupid reasons.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 1:47 am

I think the Cub'e underrated too BrianC, but I'm not that interested in Nintendo exclusives anymore. I played both Outrun 2 and the new F-Zero game at that arcade I went to, and I enjoyed Outrun 2 a lot more. Plus there's that Metal Slug 4+5 pack that's due out on April 15th. (I don't even know if any stores sell 3 anymore.) Plus GunValkyerie, plus Gunmetal, etc.

I just think I'd get a lot more bang for my buck out of an XBOX. I do love the Rogue Squadron series, but I'll have my N64 in a couple of days, and there's plenty of Rouge Squadron goodness on that console.

Post by **system11** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:26 am

Depends what you want from the console...

If there are no Nintendo exclusives you really want, or you might feel like getting into online play, Xbox is the one to go for.

If you want a shmupbox, get a PS2.

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:27 am

Xbox by a mile. Capcom vs. SNK 2 online, Street fighter anniversary online, panzer dragoon orta, metal slug 3, outrun 2. Soon it's getting the monkeyball games too, which were Gamecube's big thing.

Don't listen to people about metroid prime, it is terrible.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:02 am

Terrible?! Really? I'm just not interested in it because I never really got into any Metroid game but II on the old Gameboy, but I've never heard it described as terrible.

I'm a little worried about Panzer Dragoon Orta, I read one review that said that it "sucked the life out of the series".

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:15 am

dave4shmups wrote:Terrible?! Really? I'm just not interested in it because I never really got into any Metroid game but II on the old Gameboy, but I've never heard it described as terrible.

I'm a little worried about Panzer Dragoon Orta, I read one review that said that it "sucked the life out of the series".

Umm. I suggest reading more info about the game and decide for yourself if it's something you like. There will always be someone says a game is terrible, even if it's a very well designed game. IMO, Metroid Prime is one of the best games on the GameCube. I haven't played 2, but I heard it's great too.

Dave4shmups, I suggest you ignore small talk in reviews and pay more attention to the information that describes the features and gameplay of the game. I find reviews that neglect to provide information on the game and constantly nitpick to be more annoying than helpful.

Also, I'm personally annoyed by the massive press the Xbox is getting. Many games for it are overrated by reviewers and a ton of games for it are also on PC. However, which system you get is up to you. You have to decide which games suit your tastes better. Both Xbox and GCN have their fair share of great games, though I find that the GCN has more underrated and overlooked games. However, the Xbox does have a good amount of great games and better third party support, though the GCN third party support isn't as bad as gaming sites make it out to be.

Outrun 2 does sound like great game, but I really hate how F-Zero GX is getting compared to it. It's a different style of game.

As for me personally, I like the GCN better than the Xbox. It has better first party games IMO and some good third party games like Ikaruga, Midway Arcade Treasures 1 and 2, Megaman Anniversiary Collection, Namco Museum, Viewtiful Joe, NBA Street, Sonic Mega Collection, and more, even if they are on other systems. It also has the cool GB player that can play all gameboy games, not just GBA games.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:43 am

Really, what I'm trying to do right now is follow Raiden's advice: I have 3 consoles-the DC, the PS1, and a Jap. Saturn-that I can only occasionally afford to buy games for. So, I'll spend more time on, and appreciate more, the ones I have.

Uh huh.

The GC has seen the least amount of use of every system I've owned. All I was hoping for was a repeat of the 64 and it has failed. If you're not interested in Nintendo exclusives why are you even considering it? Just buy a few games for the PS, Saturn, etc.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:55 am

Rob wrote:
Really, what I'm trying to do right now is follow Raiden's advice: I have 3 consoles-the DC, the PS1, and a Jap. Saturn-that I can only occasionally afford to buy games for. So, I'll spend more time on, and appreciate more, the ones I have.
Uh huh.

The GC has seen the least amount of use of every system I've owned. All I was hoping for was a repeat of the 64 and it has failed. If you're not interested in Nintendo exclusives why are you even considering it? Just buy a few games for the PS, Saturn, etc.

Why do people ignore that fact that third party games on the GCN even exist? The GCN has a ton of great third party games like Ikaruga, Soul Calibur II, Viewtiful Joe 1 & 2, Megaman Anniversiary Collection, Beach Spikers, NBA Street, Namco Museum, Tony Hawks and much more. Some games are even offering exclusive features like Super Punch Out in Fight Night Round 2. The Tony Hawks are better on PS2 and Xbox (or so I heard), but they are still extremely good on GCN IMO, especially if you don't plan to play online. I heard some great things about Tales of Symphonia and Baten Kaitos.

However, I do agree that no Nintendo system is complete without first party games. So if you do consider a Nintendo system, be sure to consider getting some first party games. No Nintendo system is complete without a Zelda or Mario themed game.

I agree with the advice that was given before, though. I mean you barely even held on to that Famicom clone and those NES games I traded you. You even traded your Genesis. Honestly, you can get some good games for older systems really cheap from EB. Insteead of trading systems, I recommend that you wait until you have some more money instead or do what I do and try to ask for the bigger systems for the holidays and your birthday.

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:59 am

Why do people ignore that fact that third party games on the GCN even exist? The GCN has a ton of great third party games like Ikaruga, Soul Calibur II, Viewtiful Joe 1 & 2, Megaman Anniversiary Collection, Beach Spikers, NBA Street, Namco Museum, Tony Hawks and much more.

There you go again - nearly all those are available on other systems (all, I think, though perhaps beach spikers is exclusive).

Dave, just get some games for your saturn, dc, or psx.

CMoon · Post by **CMoon** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:30 am

Why get a GC or an Xbox? You should clearly get either a Genesis or a modded PS2! (save some space by phasing out that PS1 you already have!)

Neon: Not all of us like online play. If I was into that I'd be all over the Xbox (or FPS games), but given ny dislike of online play, the Xbox doesn't do it for me (all those 'adult oriented titles' just translate to 'more FPS games' and little support from Japan doesn't help it. My point (if I had one) was that it is all subjective. Your 'by a mile', might not cut it for some other style gamers. The cube still has a few good uses (though unfortunalye I find its best use is as a GBA player!)

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:33 am

BrianC wrote:Why do people ignore that fact that third party games on the GCN even exist?

Sonic Mega Collection is the third party game I've enjoyed the most, and I had already played all of the games on it years ago. Prince of Persia was another enjoyable one, but again, it's on all three systems. There just isn't much to speak of compared to the PS2.

I can't wait for the new Zelda anyways. Hope they deliver.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:34 am

I was considering the Cube, I'm not anymore; I think l've made that pretty clear.

And BrainC, I had good reasons to get rid of the Neo Famicom. The idiot who sold it to me had recently moved and did not update his mailing address, as members of Ebay are required to do. He therefore did not, and probably won't for some time, get the money order I sent him. I didn't have the money to pay him a second time, so I had little choice but to send the Neo Fami back to him.

The problem with older systems like the SNES, Genesis, and NES is that the games are TOO cheap. That may sound odd, but not when taken into consideration with what I've already said: that I'd rather have consoles that I can only occasionally afford to buy games for then older ones that I can quite literally spend pocket change on.

And I intend to wait until my birthday, which is May 9th, for the XBOX. I always do wait for holidays and birthdays for systems that are over $50.

In any case, this is my last post on this thread. I don't even understand this site anymore; plenty of people on it own GameCubes, and were just recently praising the Cube port of Chaos Field, and yet still seem content to relenlessly criticize ANYONE who speaks out in defense of Nintendo or any of it's consoles, as BrianC did in this thread.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:51 am

dave4shmups wrote:The problem with older systems like the SNES, Genesis, and NES is that the games are TOO cheap.

Consider where the problem really lies here. Being cheap shouldn't be a problem for anyone. If anything, older games can be appreciated more quickly (since most are pretty shallow) and you don't have to feel obligated to play anything you don't like, since they are cheap. Like the SNES lot I bought from you. I played about half of the games for 30 minutes to an hour and devoted my time to the games I liked. I don't feel bad about breezing through bad games because they were cheap. If I spent $50 on a bad game it wouldn't change anything. I wouldn't force myself to play it, I'd just feel ripped off. Some of the games I've played the most have been really cheap. Like Gunbird 2 cost me about $10 and I've probably played it over 200 hours.

PS1 slaughters these systems single-handedly.

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:57 am

Neon: Not all of us like online play. If I was into that I'd be all over the Xbox (or FPS games), but given ny dislike of online play, the Xbox doesn't do it for me (all those 'adult oriented titles' just translate to 'more FPS games' and little support from Japan doesn't help it. My point (if I had one) was that it is all subjective. Your 'by a mile', might not cut it for some other style gamers.

My response
I'd agree on getting a ps2 instead though. It's probably the best shooter console you can get right now considering it can play all the psone games.

nullstar · Post by **nullstar** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:59 am

dave4shmups wrote:I played both Outrun 2 and the new F-Zero game at that arcade I went to, and I enjoyed Outrun 2 a lot more.

I am astounded. Wow...

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:00 am

astounded? I'd actually agree.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:13 am

dave4shmups wrote:I was considering the Cube, I'm not anymore; I think l've made that pretty clear.

And BrainC, I had good reasons to get rid of the Neo Famicom. The idiot who sold it to me had recently moved and did not update his mailing address, as members of Ebay are required to do. He therefore did not, and probably won't for some time, get the money order I sent him. I didn't have the money to pay him a second time, so I had little choice but to send the Neo Fami back to him.

The problem with older systems like the SNES, Genesis, and NES is that the games are TOO cheap. That may sound odd, but not when taken into consideration with what I've already said: that I'd rather have consoles that I can only occasionally afford to buy games for then older ones that I can quite literally spend pocket change on.

And I intend to wait until my birthday, which is May 9th, for the XBOX. I always do wait for holidays and birthdays for systems that are over $50.

In any case, this is my last post on this thread. I don't even understand this site anymore; plenty of people on it own GameCubes, and were just recently praising the Cube port of Chaos Field, and yet still seem content to relenlessly criticize ANYONE who speaks out in defense of Nintendo or any of it's consoles, as BrianC did in this thread.

Ok. I understand. BTW, Neon, as with the GBA games, I was mentioning good games for the system, not just exclusives. We all know the GCN doesn't have many third party excluives. And I really don't like how you call me out every time I mention good games for systems. I personally don't care how many third party games are exclusives. The main thing is that the GCN does have some great exclusives, even if they are mostly first party. It has some other great games too, even if most of them are multiplatform.

I know what you mean about games being too cheap, Dave4shmups. It's sometimes too tempting to get many games at once. It was also the reason I kept getting GB, GBC, and GBA games, though I do love many of those games. However, it does help me get a good lineup of games quickly, which I find better than waiting for the next Tekken to come around, though I do like the Tekken series.

Neon, I agree that the PS2 is the best of the three too, but I really don't like you calling me out just becuase you have a problem with my opinion of GCN and GBA. You seriously need to stop making comments on games that many people like like "don't get Metroid Prime. It's pure crap" without good reasons of why someone shouldn't get it. To each their own.

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:18 am

I wasn't 'calling you out' and I don't have a problem with your opinions - my opinions just differ. I was never trying to insult you because you had a different opinion. I just stated my opinion, which seems to offend you, but that won't make me alter it.

CMoon needs to quit too with the 'oh, I bet you never even played saturn gekirindan' shitty remarks - I mean most of what I say here good naturedly, even if my opinions are perhaps offensive or different from your own. Lighten up folks

CMoon · Post by **CMoon** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:14 pm

Neon wrote:
CMoon needs to quit too with the 'oh, I bet you never even played saturn gekirindan' shitty remarks - I mean most of what I say here good naturedly, even if my opinions are perhaps offensive or different from your own. Lighten up folks

Offensive post in question:

"Neon> Yeah, this is part of my problem--not what you've said but rather in the past dozens of posters who sold their copies of Gekirindan years ago (or perhaps never even played it) jumped on the bandwagon saying how miserable the port is. I'm just a bit tired of the Gekirindan hating because although it certainly is inferior to the PCB, it really aint that bad. There are many worse ports. I think the think with Gekirindan is that there is NO EXCUSE for it not to be arcade perfect. Given how much of it is an homage to Toaplan, and I can't imagine Truxton 2 not running flawlessly on the Saturn, why Gekirindan both looks a bit on the pixilated side and needs loading times before bosses is beyond me.

So definitely not perfect, but don't believe what others say--there is absolutely nothing wrong in the gameplay department with Geki, no slowdown or anything. Haha! And the later levels actually get sort of challenging!"

Discussion taken to PM!

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:48 pm

Well, the point I was trying to make is that while the PS2 and Xbox do have more third party games and better third party exclusives, there are still some great third party games on GCN. Also, some of these multi console exclusives are just good 8.0 games or not that good. I'm not disappointed that Driver 3 didn't make it to GCN. However, I am a bit disappointed that the GTA games didn't make it, though I don't like some of the content in them. Also, the best former GCN exclusives like Super Monkey Ball are coming to other systems, though Super Monkey Ball still rocks on GCN.

I like online, but I think it's overrated. I'm annoyed at how the GCN version of Capcom vs. SNK 2 got low ratings from reviewers for what I think are stupid reasons. Complaining about the controller is one thing, but the reviewers call the GCN version outdated, but didn't say the same thing about the Xbox version, which is exactly the same as the GCN version with online added. Now, the Xbox version is the better version, but one missing feature doesn't make the GCN version suck. And it doesn't make the DC or PS2 versions suck either.

I agree with what CMoon said about the GB player adding value to the GameCube too. Playing Metal Gear Ghost Babel/Metal Gear Solid, Zelda Oracles, Zelda DX, Xtreme Sports, Mario vs. Donkey Kong, Metroid Fusion, Metroid Zero Mission, Atomic Punk, Toki Tori, Famicom Mini Twinbee, Metal Slug Advance, Astro Boy, Nemesis, Sonic Advance 3, Gradius Galaxies, and tons of others on the GCN is pretty darn sweet.

CMoon · Post by **CMoon** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 6:10 pm

Damn, I still have to pick up those Sonic Advance games (I heard 2 & 3 were very good).