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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:56 pm 


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As posted by MDY in the other thread:

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In the style of XII Stag, Gunbird and 1943 collections now selling for about £10 in supermarkets up and down the UK, come some more budget Japanese titles including some pretty decent shmups...

http://505gamestreet.com/products.htm?con=PS2S20


Homaru - Taito
http://505gamestreet.com/tab_scheda.htm?id=97
Spring 2006

Sol Divide -
http://505gamestreet.com/tab_scheda.htm?id=68
May 2006

Dragon Blaze -
http://505gamestreet.com/tab_scheda.htm?id=86
May 2006

Raiden III
http://505gamestreet.com/tab_scheda.htm?id=90
Feb 2006

Gigawing Generations
http://505gamestreet.com/tab_scheda.htm?id=56
Dec 2005

Samurai Aces
AKA: Sengoku Ace

Tengai
AKA: Sengoku Blade (Sengoku Ace2)
http://505gamestreet.com/tab_scheda.htm?id=85

It looks like they've bought the rights to sell these formerly packed together titles seperately in the case of the sengoku games etc.. - but you're talking £60 to import those - should be able to pick these up for £10-£15...


Better than nothing anyway!


It says XII Stag is available, bt I can't find it on any websites. Can you buy it from the company direct? I'm no so bothered about XII Stag, but I'd really like to get Raiden 3 & Gigawing.

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sjewkestheloon wrote:
50 hz is the pal standard signal and it runs some degree slower than the ntsc 60 hz signal. basically pal games traditionally either run slower, have big ass borders on top and bottom, or both.

it sucks balls.

anyone have any news on on the sengoku pack reportedly being released?


Well, a PAL tv will display 1/6 less pictures per second than a NTSC one. Therefore, you there are 2 options:
- display all the frames, but the game is slower (this sucks balls)
- drop one frame out of 6 lire Ikaruga GC PAL (this sucks even more balls)

In short, avoid 50 Hz-only games at all cost :-(
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~Kid Icarus~ wrote:
It says XII Stag is available, bt I can't find it on any websites. Can you buy it from the company direct?


It's available on Amazon, for example. Or your local gaming store - mine has a few copies.


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Ah, thanks Ghegs. I couldn't find it in any of my local shops. :(

I'll probably pick this up from a retailer as it's cheap and I want to see Raiden 3 get released! :P


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Actually Tescos have pretty much everything PS2 shmup wise...

XII Stag - £9.50
http://www.tesco.com/entertainment/product.aspx?R=647351&bci=4|Games

Also have Gunbird: SE, Castle of Shikigami2 & Psyvariar Complete for the same price:
http://www.tesco.com/entertainment/product.aspx?R=622983&bci=4294918161|Shoot%20'Em%20Up
http://www.tesco.com/entertainment/product.aspx?R=663712&bci=4294918161|Shoot%20'Em%20Up
http://www.tesco.com/entertainment/product.aspx?R=512486&bci=4294918161|Shoot%20'Em%20Up

Steel Dragon X for £14.24
http://www.tesco.com/entertainment/product.aspx?R=578175&bci=4294918161|Shoot%20'Em%20Up

PSOne Strikers 1945II is £7.60
http://www.tesco.com/entertainment/product.aspx?R=483940&bci=4294918161|Shoot%20'Em%20Up

PSOne Mobile Light Force is there too (but IIRC it's only Gunbird and it's the same price as the PS2 double pack)..

Mobile Light Force 2 £14.24 (This is Shikigami 1 - yes?)
http://www.tesco.com/entertainment/product.aspx?R=535469&bci=4294918161|Shoot%20'Em%20Up

They have R-Type, Silpheed etc.. too but you'll be able to get them cheaper elsewhere..
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Castle shikigami 2 is 50hz only has save functions and huge borders.

i need to get my hands on the game accelerator, so many cheap pal shmups in poor packaging and 50hz need to be able to appreciate them in all their glory.

Castle Shikigami 2 - 50/60 (no), Save (yes), Tate (yes)


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Masamune wrote:
Castle shikigami 2 is 50hz only has save functions and huge borders.

i need to get my hands on the game accelerator, so many cheap pal shmups in poor packaging and 50hz need to be able to appreciate them in all their glory.

Castle Shikigami 2 - 50/60 (no), Save (yes), Tate (yes)


never knew this game was released. thanks for the info. have you tried the accelerator before? i'm wondering if this thing really works


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Oh yeah has anyone got any new info on some of the newer PAL releases?
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Gigawing Generations - 50/60htz (yes), Tate (no), Save (yes)

Samurai Aces - 50/60htz (yes), Tate (yes), Save (yes)

Tengai - is in the post, I'll have it in a few days.
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Oh yes I own XII Stag...

50/60 = yes
TATE = yes
Save = yes

hope that helps oh and by the way I brought this game first hand in Game station for £7 a couple of months back! :D
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i think you mean gunbird 2 for the dc the first one was on saturn.
also if you are going to include capcom classics i think you gotta include Taito Legends with saves but no tate (obv) and im not sure about hz.
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Tengai PS2 - 50/60htz (yes) Save (yes)


Tecmo Classic Arcade Xbox - 50/60htz Er, not sure.

Star Force - Save (yes) Tate (no)
Strato Fighter - Save (yes)
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MJR wrote:
capcom classics, 50/60 no


Thanks for the precious info! I'd only wish I had looked here before ordering at play.com :x
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Castle shikigami 2 is 50hz only has save functions and huge borders.

that right there is spurring on my gag reflex...
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I,m so confused was Pysvarier(pardon my spelling)released in america and how do you pronounce the name?
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No afaik, it wasn't. You see, this thread deals with PAL (european) shmups/collections mostly.

As the americans of course don't have to bother with the 50hz problem...
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Do any of the games that have 60 hz mode run as 60 hz NTSC if you play them in a (modded) American NTSC console? (It does sometimes happen--Shenmue II on the Dreamcast is known for doing that, for instance.)


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arromdee wrote:
Do any of the games that have 60 hz mode run as 60 hz NTSC if you play them in a (modded) American NTSC console? (It does sometimes happen--Shenmue II on the Dreamcast is known for doing that, for instance.)

Yes, when you play a game in 60hz mode on a PS2 the output is actually NTSC unlike the Xbox and Gamecube where it's PAL60.


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K-J N. wrote:
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Do any of the games that have 60 hz mode run as 60 hz NTSC if you play them in a (modded) American NTSC console? (It does sometimes happen--Shenmue II on the Dreamcast is known for doing that, for instance.)

Yes, when you play a game in 60hz mode on a PS2 the output is actually NTSC unlike the Xbox and Gamecube where it's PAL60.


The problem, of course, comes from actually setting the 60hz mode. The game boots up in 50hz mode and most games ask right at start whether you'd like to use 60hz. So it would be easy to just press down and X even while you can't see anything on the screen. But in some PAL games (like Psyvariar) you have to set it from the options menu. Doesn't make it impossible, you just have to get someone to tell you the exact button presses to get to the menu and the right option. ;)

In any case, the setting is never saved to the memory card so you have to do the routine every time you boot up the game.
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sorry guys i've been very busy lately and still doesn't have the time to update the games :( i'll try to update as soon as i got the time


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Ghegs,

I can force a PAL 50 Hz to run in 60 Hz with my Swap Magic (though I don't see the lower border of the picture), maybe it is enough to boot a PAL game on a NTSC TV and set it to real NTSC mode?
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PAL PS2 shmups FAQ

1. Original PS2 shmups:

Gradius V

50/60hz switch: yes
save: yes
tate: not required
support: cd

R-Type Final

50/60hz switch: yes
save: yes
tate: not required
support: dvd

Silpheed: The Lost Planet

50/60hz switch: no
save: yes
tate: not required
support: cd

2. Miscellaneous ports:

Activision Anthology

50/60hz switch: no
save: yes
tate: not required
support: dvd

Capcom Classics Collection

50/60hz switch: no
save: yes
tate: no
support: dvd
*blurred graphics

Capcom Classics Collection Vol.2

50/60hz switch: yes
save: yes
tate: no
support: dvd
*supports progressive scan

Castle Shikigami 2

50/60hz switch: no
save: yes
tate: yes
support: cd
*can turn off sprite filtering
*story scenes removed

Dragon Blaze

50/60hz switch: yes
save: yes
tate: yes
support: cd

Gigawing Generations

50/60hz switch: yes
save: yes
tate: no
support: ?

Gradius III & IV

50/60hz switch: no
save: yes
tate: not required
support: cd

Gunbird: Special Edition

50/60hz switch: yes
save: no
tate: yes
support: cd
*annoying flickering graphics if played in yoko

Homura

50/60hz switch: yes
save: yes
tate: yes
support: cd
*no stage select

Intellivision Lives!

50/60hz switch: no
save: yes
tate: not required
support: cd

Midway Arcade Classics

50/60hz switch: no
save: yes
tate: no
support: dvd
*blurred graphics

Mobile Light Force 2

50/60hz switch: no
save: yes
tate: no
support: ?

Psyvariar: Complete Edition

50/60hz switch: yes
save: yes (allows to save replays too)
tate: yes
support: cd

Raiden III

50/60hz switch: yes
save: yes (allows to save replays too)
tate: yes
support: cd

Samurai Aces

50/60hz switch: yes
save: yes
tate: yes
support: cd

Sega Classics Collection

50/60hz switch: no
save: yes
tate: not required
support: dvd

Steel Dragon EX

50/60hz switch: no
save: yes for Explosion, no for Shienryu
tate: yes
support: cd

Strikers 1945 (title?)

50/60hz switch: no
save: no
tate: yes
support: cd
*blurred graphics, said to be the worst among Psikyo PS2 releases

Taito Legends see also here.

50/60hz switch: yes
save: yes
tate: yes
support: cd
*very blurry graphics
*non-configurable button layouts
*doesn't support Namco arcade stick


Taito Legends 2

50/60hz switch: yes (Darius Gaiden & Metal Black seem to run in 50hz regardless of the switch)
save: yes
tate: no
support: dvd
*Metal Black has a bug which doesn't let you charge the beam properly.

Tengai

50/60hz switch: yes
save: yes
tate: not required
support: cd

XII Stag

50/60hz switch: yes
save: yes
tate: yes
support: cd

*please inform me if you are aware of any other PAL shmup missing from this list*

Related thread of interest:

Definitive Playstation shmup listing

Konami "Portable" series on PSP detailed info
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Ghegs,

I can force a PAL 50 Hz to run in 60 Hz with my Swap Magic (though I don't see the lower border of the picture), maybe it is enough to boot a PAL game on a NTSC TV and set it to real NTSC mode?


Ehr. I wouldn't really know as I've never dealt with that stuff. I guess it would work, as long as the sudden change to real NTSC from PAL-forced-into-NTSC doesn't mess things up.
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Yes, when you play a game in 60hz mode on a PS2 the output is actually NTSC unlike the Xbox and Gamecube where it's PAL60.

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Cool, how is the translation on these games? Is it like Mobile Light Force 2 or is it just a straight translation?

(I just got Sengoku Ace/Blade from Play Asia, if the European ones are reasonably translated I may have to replace it...)


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arromdee wrote:
Ghegs wrote:
Yes, when you play a game in 60hz mode on a PS2 the output is actually NTSC unlike the Xbox and Gamecube where it's PAL60.


Cool, how is the translation on these games? Is it like Mobile Light Force 2 or is it just a straight translation?

(I just got Sengoku Ace/Blade from Play Asia, if the European ones are reasonably translated I may have to replace it...)


Samurai Aces and Tengai have all the cutscenes and such things intact, it's pretty much a straight translation (albeit a different one to the international arcade version). Except the whole pack splitting thing, of course.


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Homura
50/60 hrtz: Yes
Tate: Yes
Save: Yes

Is there by any small chance we could get this thread sticked? I mean it is kinda important for us PAL game buyers or importers... :)
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Homura
50/60 hrtz: Yes
Tate: Yes
Save: Yes

Is there by any small chance we could get this thread sticked? I mean it is kinda important for us PAL game buyers or importers... :)


Maybe a sticky is too much - but I added a link in my signature, so it's easier to find ^_^
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Is Gigawing Generations full screen? I've only ever played the original Gigawing in mame and that was fullscreen.

If it is then I'm gonna try and pick that one up. If it's not then the lack of tate just isn't good enough.


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