Classic UC0079 Gundam anime - let's talk

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:23 am

I'm pretty sure there are mobile suit fans among you. Here in italy we are getting serialized Yas awesome manga, Gundam The Origin, which is a retelling of the first anime series. I'm thrilled by it because it works great as a comic and it's true to the series' spirit. Who else is reading it?

However, as good as the manga is, it lacks sound. Could anyone direct me to a good OST, or even image song collection, of the first series?

I have never seen Z Gundam sadly, and I've been told it's a cool tv show. I loved 0083 and 0080, ie the realistic approach, but I definitely dislike seed, G and all those spin-offs...

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:42 am

If you want realism, The 08th MS Team is the grittiest Gundam series. Definitely go see the later series. Z and V rock. Aside from W, I don't like the alternate universe stuff either.

I recall checking out the first issue of Gundam the Origin and finding some interesting differences from the original such as Amuro learning about the Gundam beforehand on a computer, which is a far better explanation than reading a manual for 5 minutes. Wasn't interested in yet another retelling of the story though so I didn't persist.

Blade · Post by **Blade** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:56 am

I highly recommend you become a member of this forum. You'd be suprised what people find there.

http://www.srwg.org

MSZ · Post by **MSZ** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:41 am

Turrican wrote:I have never seen Z Gundam sadly

This is easily the best anime TV series in the 80s. You can't call yourself a Gundam fan if you haven't seen Zeta before.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:55 am

Well, it was never aired here

I've seen play-asia has a remastered Z soundtrack, how is it? What's the music like? would it fit my Origin reading sessions?

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:57 pm

MSZ wrote:This is easily the best anime TV series in the 80s. You can't call yourself a Gundam fan if you haven't seen Zeta before.

It is very good. I watched it unsubbed, knowing about 8 words in Japanese back when I was in high school. I'm thinking of watching it again just to see what the hell I missed (which would be like most of it). Isn't there a 3rd Z Gundam out now?

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:57 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:It is very good. I watched it unsubbed, knowing about 8 words in Japanese back when I was in high school. I'm thinking of watching it again just to see what the hell I missed (which would be like most of it). Isn't there a 3rd Z Gundam out now?

I'd love to see the show - is it currently on sale in dvd media, or was it only collected in LD boxes? Is it published in the US?

MSZ · Post by **MSZ** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:44 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:Is it published in the US?

Yes, released in a limited edition boxset for $200 USD.

$35 each for the regular releases.(5 volumes)

But they removed the opening song due to the copyright issues.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:10 pm

So that's to say there's a subtitled version of the show? The one I have now is unsubtitled.

ahnslaught · Post by **ahnslaught** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:29 pm

Yup, there's a subbed version out in the US now of the entire tv series.

Also, if you want just a sampling (kinda live the MSG movies versus MSG tv show), the fansubs of the new ZG movies are out as well...from what I've seen, it severely condenses the show, but on the plus side, it adds some all new animation. The odd thing about this movie, however, is that it's mixed in with clips from the old show, so it's got a pretty jarring and inconsistent effect overall.

MSZ · Post by **MSZ** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:30 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:So that's to say there's a subtitled version of the show?

Yep.

And I hope Bandai America will bring us the Zeta movies soon.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:15 am

MSZ wrote:Yep.

And I hope Bandai America will bring us the Zeta movies soon.

Another question for the experts around here: which do you think it's a more pleasant viewing / coeherent plot overall, the original tv show or the New Translation movies?

I've read on wiki that they have been quite successful in Japan, I'd love to see them at least released in the UK...

MSZ · Post by **MSZ** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:04 am

Turrican wrote:
MSZ wrote:Yep.

And I hope Bandai America will bring us the Zeta movies soon.
Another question for the experts around here: which do you think it's a more pleasant viewing / coeherent plot overall, the original tv show or the New Translation movies?

I've read on wiki that they have been quite successful in Japan, I'd love to see them at least released in the UK...

Tomino changed the plot a bit(included the ending) for the movies. Its a no brainer that TV version should be the first choice for newbies. The same thing can be said for other Gundam movies as well.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:08 am

MSZ wrote:Its a no brainer that TV version should be the first choice for newbies. The same thing can be said for other Gundam movies as well.

Yes, quite logical. My question was another though: which one do you think it's better overall, not which one should go for.

MSZ · Post by **MSZ** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:20 am

Turrican wrote:
MSZ wrote:Its a no brainer that TV version should be the first choice for newbies. The same thing can be said for other Gundam movies as well.
Yes, quite logical. My question was another though: which one do you think it's better overall, not which one should go for.

No I haven't seen the movies yet.

Unlike some of the guys here I refuse to watch the fansub.

ahnslaught · Post by **ahnslaught** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:49 am

I think the tv series is better, since it has much more time to develop characters and for you to get to know them over its 50-something episodes. One thing that's common in all MSG series is the sheer volume of characters, and ZG is no different - IIRC, you have 4 factions over the course of the show, taking place on Earth and space. with characters who have relationships with multiple people.

It's impossible to fit all of this in a short movie, so I think it will be better to watch after you watch the original shows, since you can fill in the holes yourself and just sit back and enjoy the eyecandy. But, if you're strapped for time, it works in a pinch! Overall, it's ok, I'll probably pick it up just for completist's sake if and when it comes out in the states...

Man, I think this show is probably the best scifi/mecha anime around, even after all this time.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:23 am

MSZ: Why won't you watch the fansubs of the movie?

Also -- were there fansubs of the TV show done? I do find it a bit of an odd choice to bring over. Didn't know something so dated would do so well. Watching w/ subs would be better I think.... Gundam has always used some funky terminology. Well, any sci-fi anime really.

MSZ · Post by **MSZ** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:30 am

GaijinPunch wrote:MSZ: Why won't you watch the fansubs of the movie?

Those guys have done some excellent jobs on the translation. But the video and audio quality is so poor. I couldn't live with that.

I will just wait for the legit DVD releases and enjoy the movies in 5.1 DD surround sound.

Naiera · Post by **Naiera** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:05 am

MSZ wrote:
Tomino changed the plot a bit(included the ending) for the movies. Its a no brainer that TV version should be the first choice for newbies. The same thing can be said for other Gundam movies as well.

No, that's not a no-brainer. The TV version is only dubbed, which sucks for those who hate english dubs, and then there's the fact that the movies are canon now - the rest of the UC Gundam series expect you to have watched the movies, and not the original TV series.

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:17 am

Naiera wrote: No, that's not a no-brainer. The TV version is only dubbed, which sucks for those who hate english dubs

Huh? The Z-Gundam original series DVDs contain both subs and dubs.

MSZ · Post by **MSZ** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:47 am

Naiera wrote:The TV version is only dubbed, which sucks for those who hate english dubs

You are wrong. I'm talking about the region 1 release.

and then there's the fact that the movies are canon now - the rest of the UC Gundam series expect you to have watched the movies, and not the original TV series.

Not a chance, other than CCA, none of the UC movies are considered as part of the "official" timelines. Since CCA is the only non-compilation movie out there, they expect you to watch the TV series first to avoid any confusion.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:20 pm

MSZ wrote:Not a chance, other than CCA, none of the UC movies are considered as part of the "official" timelines. Since CCA is the only non-compilation movie out there, they expect you to watch the TV series first to avoid any confusion.

Are you sure about this? I mean, the three Z movies are the most recent take on the UC chronology, and if they were meant to be not canon, why would they bother to change Camille's fate in the end? Also (always according to the wiki entry) the new ending sorts out ZZ from chronology which is probably something Tomino did intentionally...

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:22 pm

MSZ wrote:
Naiera wrote:The TV version is only dubbed, which sucks for those who hate english dubs
You are wrong. I'm talking about the region 1 release.

and then there's the fact that the movies are canon now - the rest of the UC Gundam series expect you to have watched the movies, and not the original TV series.
Not a chance, other than CCA, none of the UC movies are considered as part of the "official" timelines. Since CCA is the only non-compilation movie out there, they expect you to watch the TV series first to avoid any confusion.

That's the first time I have heard anyone say this.

I'd go so far to consider even Tomino's novel Senko no Hathaway "canon".

EDIT: Even though you say only CCA is canon, the Gundam F-91 movie is surely ALSO part of the official timeline.

SPOILER
About the ending of "A new Translation", I haven't seen it yet; but as everyone who has watched ZZ knows, Camille does eventually recover from the brain damage inflicted on him by Paptimus in the final episode of ZZ (Tomino himself confirmed this). So the original ending isn't so bad, after all. In the manga "Moon Crisis" which is set after ZZ, Camille works as a doctor on the moon (if memory serves).

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:34 pm

@Turrican

The Universal Century timeline is great, the Alternate Universe stuff Bandai keeps churning out is crapomatic, avoid at all costs.

The best characters are those from the one-year war (0079-80), and the best Gundam series is Zeta Gundam (takes place 0087), in my opinion. The final animated UC Gundam thus far, V-Gundam, which takes place long after Gundam F-91 (in UC 150-something) is weak. The best UC side-story is "Gundam 0080 War in the Pocket", closely followed by Gundam 0083.

About Z Gundam:
Just like GaijinPunch I first watched Z-Gundam back in 1994 (I knew hardly any Japanese then) and I was very glad for some fansub-group to sub the whole series a couple of years ago. I would NEVAR watch Gundam English dubbed, as the original voice actors rule; Shuichi Ikeda (Char) is my favorite.

MSZ · Post by **MSZ** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:20 pm

Ceph wrote:That's the first time I have heard anyone say this.

I'd go so far to consider even Tomino's novel Senko no Hathaway "canon".

EDIT: Even though you say only CCA is canon, the Gundam F-91 movie is surely ALSO part of the official timeline.

Yea, I totally forgot F-91, thanks for reminding me.

Some of the novels like Hathaway's Flash and Gundam Sentinel are part of the official timeline, I admit that. But thats another topic, since the movies are what we're focusing here.

MSZ · Post by **MSZ** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:29 pm

Turrican wrote:Are you sure about this? I mean, the three Z movies are the most recent take on the UC chronology, and if they were meant to be not canon, why would they bother to change Camille's fate in the end?

No I'm not 100% sure. Like I said I haven't seen it yet.

But if the movie really ended like this, that means the events in ZZ were totally gone in Tomino's own UC chronology...so whats the point of the appearence of Haman and her Axis(Neo Zeon) force in the movie? That doesn't make any senses to me, no matter how bad ZZ is, its still a part of the UC history.

Naiera · Post by **Naiera** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:05 am

MSZ wrote:
You are wrong. I'm talking about the region 1 release.

My bad, I thought we were still discussing the original 0079 TV series... I have Zeta Gundam myself so of course I know that it's bilingual.

Naiera · Post by **Naiera** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:07 am

Ceph wrote:
Not a chance, other than CCA, none of the UC movies are considered as part of the "official" timelines. Since CCA is the only non-compilation movie out there, they expect you to watch the TV series first to avoid any confusion.

You are wrong. The UC 0079 compilation movies are now considered canon. Fact. Go hang out on some competent anime boards, like AOD, and you'll find out that I'm correct.

ahnslaught · Post by **ahnslaught** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:42 am

Don't know if it's already been said, or if it will even help, but I think some of the confusion with the sub/dub thing is that the original tv series was available only as dubbed when the dvd came out in the states, while ZG came both subbed and dubbed. The original movies, I believe, are only available as subbed (at least for the VHS release - not sure about the dvds).

Ceph wrote:@Turrican

The Universal Century timeline is great, the Alternate Universe stuff Bandai keeps churning out is crapomatic, avoid at all costs.

The best characters are those from the one-year war (0079-80), and the best Gundam series is Zeta Gundam (takes place 0087), in my opinion. The final animated UC Gundam thus far, V-Gundam, which takes place long after Gundam F-91 (in UC 150-something) is weak. The best UC side-story is "Gundam 0080 War in the Pocket", closely followed by Gundam 0083.

I agree completely on the AU stuff being crap, the worst offense being the fighting tournament one whose name escapes me at this moment, and which I lost interest after episode 1.

I actually think, however, that V-gundam is a great show, and is just as good as ZG in terms of story, and better than the original 3 movies. If you can get over the "really, really young kids being the savior" thing and the transformers deal (See: v gundam transforming in mid-air!), it's got a great story that is the most serious, I think, of all gundams.

I've heard from multiple people that 0080 is the best sidestory, but I actually like 08th MST better. 0080 just got too boring for me...

Great choice of Char as best voice cast member! My personal favorite is tohru furuya as amuro ray.

MSZ · Post by **MSZ** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:03 am

Naiera wrote:You are wrong. The UC 0079 compilation movies are now considered canon. Fact. Go hang out on some competent anime boards, like AOD, and you'll find out that I'm correct.

Nice try. Do you have Gundam Officials?

http://www.gundamofficials.com/officials/index.html

I have one, the whole encyclopedia is based on the TV series, included the timeline and the MS/MA family tree. (G-Armor on page 342 and Braw-Bro on page 585 is my proof. Those 2 designs were cut-off by Tomino in the movies.) Alice Miller from the 08th MS Team movie was also dropped off by Kodansha/Sunrise as well.

Now ask those random kids at AOD where did their info come from.

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