Prelude to the Apocalypse

[BryanM]

Never liked Seder one bit, and getting shit-caned by MSNBC in that way just adds to the pile.

Not fired for being against the Iraq war like Donahue was.

Not fired for being against the TPP like Schultz was.

Not fired for refusing to solely do the fluff/democratic propaganda crap like Harris-Perry was.

Fired for making a required-context rape jab on twitter. Pitiful.

He'll never be able to consolidate those data centers up there in heaven, now.

[Mischief Maker]

Are you kidding me? Dude's to the left of the Young Turks. His entire show crew is made up of left-socialists to outright marxists. Why would you dislike him?

Please tell me this isn't about his beef with Jimmy Dore.

[BryanM]

Just don't find any joy in watching his show.

It's not like we all have to like each other because we're on the same side. And it's not like I want him deported off of the planet.

I disagree with Thom Hartmann on various things, think it's a complete disgrace that RT would give Helen Caldicott airtime, still like Thom very much.

[Rob]

Do you think a human being can really believe it is okay for a 30+ year old man to stalk and have sex with ~14 year old girls

Are all pre-election allegations of ancient misdeeds true? He could be guilty of something, but people are going to believe this trick less the more often it is played.

A wall will accomplish precisely jack and shit.

People like you seem oddly desperate to keep us less safe. Do you object to any attempt to secure the border? In America we have cutting edge tech - if we wanted to stop the flow of illegal border crossings, we could do it. A non-joke wall would be part of that solution. You can be sure that your surface level observations have been taken into consideration by our brains in government.



Who needs a ladder when the current wall is a ladder. I'm sure kids like this will be coming around with construction equipment and tons of TNT if we put up a 30 ft. slab.

[Domino]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-ex ... d=51600561

Not a good decision in my opinion. Most of the American Jews in Israel are near/in Tel-Aviv. Also, it is a pain in the ass to travel to Jerusalem by car since everyone plus their mom hog up the roads there. I been there done that....

[brokenhalo]

People like you seem oddly desperate to keep us less safe. Do you object to any attempt to secure the border? In America we have cutting edge tech - if we wanted to stop the flow of illegal border crossings, we could do it. A non-joke wall would be part of that solution. You can be sure that your surface level observations have been taken into consideration by our brains in government.

I'm all for border security and common sense immigration policy. But spending tens of billions of dollars on a wall doesn't accomplish that. It's estimated that about 40% of all illegal immigrants are visa overstays. How does a wall stop any of those people? The wall is just a placebo to make a certain segment of the population happy. They can cheer their monument to stupidity for all of 5 minutes until the first person with a ladder comes along and scales whichever one of those joke prototypes we build. There are better ways. Rough math- you can hire 16,666 border patrol agents and pay them 60k a year for the next 20 years with 20 billion dollars. With that many people, you could staff 8 border patrol agents for every mile of border. That's a way more effective "wall", and quite a few good paying jobs. I'm sure the "brains" in our government could figure that out though. (Not holding my breath)

Or we could look at the root causes of illegal immigration and put a stop to it in a more natural way. Two very obvious things spring to mind. 1. Stop the "war on drugs", so that our failed drug policies can stop effecting the lives of our southern neighbors. 2. Bring back all the jobs that were sent to china, supercharge the american economy by rebuilding the middle class, and share the wealth and give some jobs to Mexico. A lot more complicated than "Build The Wall!", but it would be infinitely more effective.

[gameoverDude]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-ex ... d=51600561

Not a good decision in my opinion. Most of the American Jews in Israel are near/in Tel-Aviv. Also, it is a pain in the ass to travel to Jerusalem by car since everyone plus their mom hog up the roads there. I been there done that....

Agreed. It's a very dumb decision and sure to raise hell with Israel-Palestine relations. It's not the USA's place to declare the capital of another country. Regarding the Israel-Palestine conflict, both sides are wrong in several ways. Jerusalem would be better as a neutral territory between Christians, Muslims, & Jews. Israel should take Tel Aviv as their capital instead.

[BulletMagnet]

But spending tens of billions of dollars on a wall doesn't accomplish that. It's estimated that about 40% of all illegal immigrants are visa overstays. How does a wall stop any of those people? The wall is just a placebo to make a certain segment of the population happy.

We've been down this path within the thread more than once, and will be led down it again, only to end up right back where we started; you're being trolled.

[Rob]

And here I thought I was the one being trolled. I guess that's a stalemate. Luckily for me, the wall is (hopefully) going to be built and you are going to help pay for it.

[Zen]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-ex ... d=51600561

Not a good decision in my opinion. Most of the American Jews in Israel are near/in Tel-Aviv. Also, it is a pain in the ass to travel to Jerusalem by car since everyone plus their mom hog up the roads there. I been there done that....

Well, say what you will about Donald John Trump, he makes a most excellent Shabbos goy.






Also; is David Muir the son of Ron Burgundy?

[Mischief Maker]

Just don't find any joy in watching his show.

Okay, I misinterpreted. Fair enough if you don't like his show, but he was still the most liberal voice on that network.

But this firing doesn't reflect badly on Sam Seder, it reflects horribly on MSNBC. Here the Washington Post has been doing this victory strut for seeing through an attempted Project Veritas sting, then MSNBC goes and gets rolled by the Pizzagate guy.

This is the mastermind whose web you got caught in, MSNBC?

[Rob]

Well, say what you will about Donald John Trump, he makes a most excellent Shabbos goy.

He certainly does love him some Israel. It's kind of funny (I suppose, if stunningly stupid things are funny) when Trump gets labeled a Nazi or Nazi sympathizer while wearing his yarmulke.

[BryanM]

But this firing doesn't reflect badly on Sam Seder, it reflects horribly on MSNBC.

Comcast could just be using it as an excuse to get rid of someone they don't like, the last thing you need to do is take zillionaire propagandists at face value. They weren't exactly honest about the reasons why they fired Donahue, who was the highest rated show they had, now were they?

It's a core tactic to draw everyone into swimming inside the poop. We've already gone over the hundreds of reasons the "politics" of distraction is strategically optimal for them.

Getting rid of some hippy and blaming the hellworlders for it at the same time? Excellent move. Two birds, one stone.

[Domino]

Agreed. It's a very dumb decision and sure to raise hell with Israel-Palestine relations. It's not the USA's place to declare the capital of another country. Regarding the Israel-Palestine conflict, both sides are wrong in several ways. Jerusalem would be better as a neutral territory between Christians, Muslims, & Jews. Israel should take Tel Aviv as their capital instead.

Tel Aviv is a lot cooler at times than Jerusalem. Tel Aviv is like if Los Angeles was done right with city planning. Not a joke....

Well, say what you will about Donald John Trump, he makes a most excellent Shabbos goy.

That WASP is too goy for my taste. It's like moving the bagel shop from a Jewish Neighborhood to a West Indies Neighborhood in Brooklyn.

[Koa Zo]

the wall is (hopefully) going to be built and you are going to help pay for it.

BulletMagnet is Mexican? That's awesome I had no idea.

[Rob]

That was the sort of joke. We Americans are paying for it, if anyone is.

[Zen]

That WASP is too goy for my taste. It's like moving the bagel shop from a Jewish Neighborhood to a West Indies Neighborhood in Brooklyn.

None of this shit matters when you are packin a big Bibi-Don.
These nigga's be hustlin'.
The average Jew, Gentile and Muslim can pay the bill later. Same as it ever was.

But what do I know.
Little Benji Shapiro is so ecstatic, he can barely contain his hubris and hes like, a "genius", right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF67TJ4xf6U

[Durandal]

Palestinian man in Amsterdam breaks the windows of a Jewish kosher shop with a Palestinian flag while yelling 'Palestinia' and 'Allahu akbar', gets arrested. I'm not sure where exactly Trump's recent stunt was supposed to bring peace, but it sure as hell isn't abroad.

[BryanM]

And Franken bites the dust. Rumor is there's a tsunami coming for the rest.

Inevitable looming default crisis from student loans? No problem the bougies got this figured out for ya.



Professional doxxers who'd never lie claim the charity gave 50% of its proceeds to the homeless, and distributed the other 50% to its employees. Which consisted of two people: the mother and daughter.

HOLY JESUS FUCK

1 Bitcoin = $16,383.00.

This totally isn't like the tulip craze. Totally. Bitcoins has real value.

[gameoverDude]

Son of a bitch! I was afraid of the repercussions that would follow Trump's stunt. So many world leaders are upset about this, including some not-surprising Middle Eastern ones, Merkel, Macron, the Kremlin, China's foreign ministry, UNSG Guterres, and the Pope. Palestinian factions have called for "3 days of rage" in protest. What a train wreck. Everyone knows Trump is an idiot, but what he did is really below even his grade of idiocy. He should recant this decision.
The Israeli PM says this is an important step toward peace. Whatever. He's got it wrong as well.

"Jerusalem is a unique city, sacred to Jews, Christians and Muslims, where the holy places for the respective religions are venerated and it has a special vocation to peace."

Truth. Shame not everyone is thinking this way.

[Zen]

Watched Al Franken's resignation speech just now.
He has done nothing wrong, but he is resigning because women have to be listened to (and believed, Mr Franken and believed?) and Trump is the actual abuser because words are literally rape?
Did I just watch his Stuart Smalley Daily affirmation gag, or what? Surreal.

There are certainly lines between between being a political hack, blatant lying and mental illness.
I get a strong sense of the latter, from Mr Franken.

He has always given me the impression that he is a bottomless void of hopeless depression, suited-up tightly in an armour of extreme narcissism (take a guess where he got Stuart Smalley from)
That speech does nothing to dissuade me of that impression.

I think a topical point to make about this speech, is that it was pure Hollywood.
Professional, nicely written, well rehearsed, acted to within an inch of its life, zero substance and full of emotional masturbation.
People sure do love to be entertained.

[Zen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPI9Mk17OAs
What a disgrace.

Preamble;
re. Senate Bill (SB) 239 changing knowingly exposing a sexual partner to HIV from a felony to a misdemeanour;
I have read the points made by some in this thread about this; incentivizing more testing, less infecting etc. I get these points. I also strongly disagree with them.
Like the notion that amending laws to encourage illegal aliens to perceive the police as more "approachable", these arguments are at best misguided, at worst wanton moral ignorance.
Two wrongs can not make a right. Just like you can not be "a little pregnant", you can not sacrifice a "little" morality for the greater moral good.
If you choose to believe that Senate Bill (SB) 239 contained no virtue signalling; read on.

Back to the point in hand; the immunocompromising effects of the gay male "lifestyle" are not a myth. I cant believe I have to say that.
This girl, as are others in the porn "industry", was only too well aware of that fact. The girl did not want to take gay male porn star cock.
In "the current year" of progressive tolerance, this = burn the witch.
Make no mistake, this is exactly what it was; a witch hunt. No different than radical religious fervour or moral outrage/panic.
It costs nothing to get on this pecking-order bandwagon. Which is why it is so irresistible to the dim of wit.
Gotta virtue signal your way up that totem pole! Oh, yeah, feel real good about your self!


Anyone that knows the broader "gay community", knows the depressingly large incidence of psychological issues prevalent within it (usually blamed on those outside of it )
but in 2017, that's considered a "homophobic" thing to say. You could probably even find some "study" of dubious funding, to "prove" that the above is "homophobic".
In 2017, men in drag sing to preschoolers that, "the hips on the drag queen go swish, swish, swish" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKgxkNES4Zs
Hey, "Lil' miss hot mess", I do not "think gay people are sinful, or evil, or you know bad to begin with" but I do know psychosis fed to preschoolers by virtue signalling parent/drones, when I see it.

If people in the gay "community" do not grasp the fact that they have, in some cases willingly (that "partial" morality in action again) become sock puppets,
a proxy enabler of virtue signalling zombies of the "current year", then they will be equally blind to the inevitable backlash when it comes.

Where does this story end?
With the apparent suicide of a 23 year old human being.
You gotta love "progress".

[BryanM]

Everyone knows Trump is an idiot, but what he did is really below even his grade of idiocy.

Still wasn't his idea, still just a puppet of higher powers. The person you're looking for is called Sheldon Adelson, among some others. Sheldon Adelson, was the correct answer.

They're doomsday cultists so it's incorrect to call them "stupid". They want the world to end sooner than later. Are they not getting what they paid millions over decades for?

[gameoverDude]

Still wasn't his idea, still just a puppet of higher powers. The person you're looking for is called Sheldon Adelson, among some others. Sheldon Adelson, was the correct answer.

They're doomsday cultists so it's incorrect to call them "stupid". They want the world to end sooner than later. Are they not getting what they paid millions over decades for?

Here's something at +972 Magazine about Adelson and this situation. Seems he expected "something" in return and was getting a little testy. Yet another example of money being an evil in politics. Adelson is a low down dirty bastard.
Of course, Trump can be blamed in part for accepting his donations.

For this reason, past presidents have refused to move the embassy on grounds that it would upset potential talks between Israeli and Palestinian negotiators.

And before Adelson got on Trump's bandwagon, he was looking to bribe Rubio.

Sheldon Adelson is looking to give big dollars to Rubio because he feels he can mold him into his perfect little puppet. I agree!

[BryanM]

Many democrats have been open about their opinion that the city should belong exclusively to Israel. Chuck Schumer has nothing but praises for this move, and if he had any complaints they would be that the president didn't do this sooner. You get lots of benefits if you pay your bribes, which Palestine can't afford.

One of the more evil macros the genocidal sociopaths trot out is the "there was no such thing thing as a country called Palestine!" line.

If you follow the thread back in time, the region is called Philistia in the bible. Our word for an uncultured barbarian who probably deserves being murdered by having a temple fall on them or a donkey's jawbone to the face, is "Philistine". A resident of Philistia. Or what's left of modern Palestine.

There's a pretty powerful cabal that's been around a long, long time that wants to completely exterminate this race.

[gameoverDude]

Sure seems the government does NOT represent the people.

Time for some 3rd party candidates? Sadly many USA voters are too narrow-minded or conservative to vote other than red or blue. Candidates who would turn totally away from the Zionists and stop provoking groups like Hamas are needed. Israel has their own terrorists as well- I don't support either side of the two.

Wouldn't Hillary have decided to do the Jerusalem move also? I thought I heard something about her having similar feelings on this issue.

[BryanM]

Both she and Obama have referred to the place as the "undivided capital of Israel". As though such a holy site should belong wholly to one country. Whether she would have done the same or not, that's unprovable speculation. Like whether a Gore administration would have done the Iraq war.

The last major 3rd party candidate was Perot, who ran largely on economic protectionism. His opposition to NAFTA is an echo of modern opposition to the TPP. This has always been a huge policy position, one that Democrats and Republicans have worked together hand in hand to deny people a choice on. Many believe that Clinton only won because slightly more R-leaners voted for the man; that Clintonian 3rd wayism was always unpopular.

Perot was a billionaire who got traction by running infomercials on TV. Where he explained his position on issues to people as though they were adults capable of thinking for themselves. It's probably the very best a 3rd party can perform in this modern age.

It's been repeated here that the establishment likes having repulsive candidates and making politics dumb and revolting, because it keeps normal people out of exercising any political power. They don't want normies joining the democrats or republicans.

It would be great if there was an alternative to entering the democratic party and voting the scumbags out in their primaries. It would be great if there was more than one 80-something year old man bearing the weight of the world on his shoulders. But the only available option in the real world is to grab a shovel and toss out the poo.

[gameoverDude]

Both she and Obama have referred to the place as the "undivided capital of Israel". As though such a holy site should belong wholly to one country. Whether she would have done the same or not, that's unprovable speculation. Like whether a Gore administration would have done the Iraq war.

The last major 3rd party candidate was Perot, who ran largely on economic protectionism. His opposition to NAFTA is an echo of modern opposition to the TPP. This has always been a huge policy position, one that Democrats and Republicans have worked together hand in hand to deny people a choice on. Many believe that Clinton only won because slightly more R-leaners voted for the man; that Clintonian 3rd wayism was always unpopular.

Perot was a billionaire who got traction by running infomercials on TV. Where he explained his position on issues to people as though they were adults capable of thinking for themselves. It's probably the very best a 3rd party can perform in this modern age.

It's been repeated here that the establishment likes having repulsive candidates and making politics dumb and revolting, because it keeps normal people out of exercising any political power. They don't want normies joining the democrats or republicans.

It would be great if there was an alternative to entering the democratic party and voting the scumbags out in their primaries. It would be great if there was more than one 80-something year old man bearing the weight of the world on his shoulders. But the only available option in the real world is to grab a shovel and toss out the poo.

True. Look what Obama did on Jerusalem... despite what he said, thankfully nada. I would have liked him to serve a 3rd term.
I wonder if a 3rd party has a decent shot in '20? The Republican party's name is pretty much Mud right now.

CNN: Trump escalates "rigged system" rhetoric amid Russia probe.
The way Trump has been protesting the Russia probe, I find it even harder to believe that he's not guilty of something impeachable. He feared Comey, he fired Comey. He fears Mueller... he might try to get Mueller fired? That would look shady as hell.

Those evangelical Trump supporters suck. I find hucksters like Franklin Graham, the late Oral Roberts, & Joel Osteen particularly repugnant, right up there with cult leaders. My religious beliefs are not totally Christian, but rather a mix of things. Graham supports Roy Moore, who I despise. And when he accuses Moore's critics of being worse than him, he needs to shut the fuck up. Religious extremists & politics mix almost as well as ice cream & pickles.

[austere]

True. Look what Obama did on Jerusalem... despite what he said, thankfully nada. I would have liked him to serve a 3rd term.

You're better off putting down the rose-tinted glasses. This decision by Trump was facilitated by a debilitating war in the middle east launched by Obama that destroyed 4 countries and counting. Without this war there would have been a united political and economic front to oppose this decision.

Obama fulfilled his promise, he just didn't get to declare it.

[quash]

But spending tens of billions of dollars on a wall doesn't accomplish that. It's estimated that about 40% of all illegal immigrants are visa overstays. How does a wall stop any of those people? The wall is just a placebo to make a certain segment of the population happy.

We've been down this path within the thread more than once, and will be led down it again, only to end up right back where we started; you're being trolled.

"I have a high emotional investment in this argument, and I can't prove you wrong, so I'm going to say I'm being trolled!"

If you're going to back out of an inevitable stalemate or losing argument, at least have the class to leave it at "agree to disagree". But no, you have to be vindicated, even when you utterly fail to make your point. Fucking Millenials, man. We're set to become the worst generation in American history, which given how awful the Boomers who got us in this mess were, is an accomplishment.

Walls work. So does profiling. Ask Israel. If there's a nation on earth that can't afford to screw around with symbolic security measures, it's Israel. Obviously, the US is not at that level of constant alert just yet (though you wouldn't know that going through any US airport), but there is a serious problem when it comes to crime on and along our southern border. A wall on its own isn't the end all be all, but it's a good start.

Funny how we're all okay with Americans being spied on by our own government (even those who act like they aren't are still at the very least complicit, unless you live totally off the grid), but somehow it's a huge issue to keep our border secure. It's almost like there's people who benefit from all this chaos... nah, I just forgot to take my meds.