Under Defeat for DC

Kron · Post by **Kron** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:05 am

The LE and standard edition have sold out on Segadirect at the weekend.

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:40 pm

Kron wrote:The LE and standard edition have sold out on Segadirect at the weekend.

And am I glad I got my second LE preorder in just before it sold out!
Thanks to Yakumo that was!

jp · Post by jp » Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:22 pm

I heard a rumor that because of UD's excellent sales and the 360's poor sales that G.Rev was considering releasing Senko no Ronde on the DC.

Just a rumor. And I probably heard it from someone on this very board.

KBZ · Post by **KBZ** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:08 pm

scrilla4rella wrote:hopefully Sega will not try to force this no more DC games thing on companies.

it has been confirmed by Milestone already that UD will NOT be the last DC game.

what that scary message means is that it will be the last Dreamcast package ever sold by sega direct. After the infamous law against selling used consoles passes, sega direct wont be allowed to sell dreamcast systems anymore, but there's no problem with selling the games.

again, we have YET to see the last Dreamcast game. so party on!

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:40 pm

Kingbuzzo wrote:
scrilla4rella wrote:hopefully Sega will not try to force this no more DC games thing on companies.
it has been confirmed by Milestone already that UD will NOT be the last DC game.

what that scary message means is that it will be the last Dreamcast package ever sold by sega direct. After the infamous law against selling used consoles passes, sega direct wont be allowed to sell dreamcast systems anymore, but there's no problem with selling the games.

again, we have YET to see the last Dreamcast game. so party on!

That law will not forbid selling old consoles/computers, afaik. It's only about old electrical appliances like hair-dryers, toasters and such.

Post by **nZero** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:28 pm

Kron wrote:The LE and standard edition have sold out on Segadirect at the weekend.

Not too surprising, #1 selling game soft on Sega Direct anyone?

I guess G.Rev is going to be happy! I wonder what the print run came out to. Hopefully the people waiting for release and reviews can still get copies from NCSX/Play-Asia/etc. for the next couple of weeks.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:36 pm

Damn, I didn't want to spend any money on games just now, but I also don't want to pay much more later, as I had to with Border Down.

subcons · Post by **subcons** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:09 am

professor ganson wrote:Damn, I didn't want to spend any money on games just now, but I also don't want to pay much more later, as I had to with Border Down.

Pretty much the philosophy I had when putting in my pre-order. I bought BD new and actualy wasn't too much of a fan of it. Don't know if I'll even like UD, but there's pretty much no way I can lose by purchasing it new.

PsikyoPshumpPshooterP · Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:38 am

Will LE edition of Lik Sang's be the same as NCSX?

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:01 am

Ceph wrote:
Kingbuzzo wrote:After the infamous law against selling used consoles passes, sega direct wont be allowed to sell dreamcast systems anymore, but there's no problem with selling the games.
That law will not forbid selling old consoles/computers, afaik. It's only about old electrical appliances like hair-dryers, toasters and such.

Ceph, see discussion around CIT's post earlier in this thread where he pointed out the law does indeed apply to refurbished Dreamcasts:

CIT wrote:They say if you want one of those refurbished Dreamcasts you should order by March 23rd, since they will stop selling them from April.

The reason is this: http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... =japan+law

Frogacuda · Post by **Frogacuda** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:32 am

scrilla4rella wrote:I wanna see that new Shmup by ex-seibu staff.

Wha? I must know more about this.

Also, if people are hoarding/buying multiple copies of a game, it's probably not going to be all that rare or valuable. See: Ikaruga. But it may be a small enough number of people doing this that it doesn't matter.

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:49 am

Frogacuda wrote:
scrilla4rella wrote:I wanna see that new Shmup by ex-seibu staff.
Wha? I must know more about this.

It's Triggerheart Exelica.

Frogacuda · Post by **Frogacuda** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:33 am

CIT wrote:
Frogacuda wrote:
scrilla4rella wrote:I wanna see that new Shmup by ex-seibu staff.
Wha? I must know more about this.
It's Triggerheart Exelica.

That Warashi game? It has seibu staff working on it...

That seems like Treasure employees working for the team that did gunner's heaven, doesn't it? I always thought of Warashi as mediocre seibu imitators. Well maybe they'll pull something out. I do love Seibu's games a lot.

Under Defeat almost seems to have shades of Seibu to its bullet patterns. Always like some old school flavor.

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:58 am

Funnily, I always thought of Seibu as mediocre Toaplan imitators.

Anyway, it is often said that Warashi has ex-Seibu staff, but I don't think it has ever been confirmed 100%. You can definitely see similarities between Shienryu and Raiden and Sengeki Striker and Raider Fighters series though, so I suspect it is true.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:10 am

Thunder Force wrote:
Ceph wrote:
Kingbuzzo wrote:After the infamous law against selling used consoles passes, sega direct wont be allowed to sell dreamcast systems anymore, but there's no problem with selling the games.
That law will not forbid selling old consoles/computers, afaik. It's only about old electrical appliances like hair-dryers, toasters and such.
Ceph, see discussion around CIT's post earlier in this thread where he pointed out the law does indeed apply to refurbished Dreamcasts:

CIT wrote:They say if you want one of those refurbished Dreamcasts you should order by March 23rd, since they will stop selling them from April.

The reason is this: http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... =japan+law

That is weird, because here it says:

Mutantfrog.com http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/02/22/2nd-hand-electronics-sales-will-not-soon-be-illegal-in-japan/ wrote: Domestic non-lease sales are not being flat-out banned anyway, they are simply requiring an inspection. So what is the inspection?

By law, a retailer can become a “manufacturer,” authorized to conduct safety inspections and affix PSE labels, simply by registering with the ministry.

Registered “manufacturers” may attach PSE labels after confirming three very simple things: the product looks fine, works properly when turned on, and does not leak electricity at 1,000 volts.

So Sega could continue selling DCs as long as they want.

Frogacuda · Post by **Frogacuda** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:19 am

CIT wrote:Anyway, it is often said that Warashi has ex-Seibu staff, but I don't think it has ever been confirmed 100%. You can definitely see similarities between Shienryu and Raiden and Sengeki Striker and Raider Fighters series though, so I suspect it is true.

Uh, I thought it was pretty widely known that Warashi was formed from Athena staff since, you know, Shienryu is almost the same game as Daioh, and has the exact same staff.

Never heard of any Seibu connection except that they make obvious attempts to mimic their style. I see not one overlapping staff member on any of the games I've looked at. Unless they left to Athena immediately following Raiden 1 and made Strike Gunner a few months later, I'm calling bullshit.

Oh, and I don't get the Toaplan comment. I don't think Seibu's game play much like Toaplan games at all. Which you prefer is another matter, but I don't see any direct borrowing, and certainly no where near the plagerism committed by Shienryu.

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:15 am

I don't think Seibu's game play much like Toaplan games at all. Which you prefer is another matter, but I don't see any direct borrowing

Rando has covered it in more detail, IIRC Raiden stole a song from flying shark, and gameplay elements from kyukyoku tiger (transforming powerups based on time). Then in DX they applied the timing thing to medalling as well.

Toaplan are hugely influential, particularly for Raizing, Cave, Data East, whoever the smeg made Gekirindan (Taito I think?), Takumi, basically everyone good.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:26 am

Play-asia is shipping the game now. And I'll be damned, I was wrong. BOTH versions come in DVD cases! The regular version's cover is the same as the promo flyer (I actually like this cover better than the LE edition), so I'm VERY happy I ordered that as I really don't care about the soundtrack CD. Here's the full info quoted from PA.com:

Both versions of Under Defeat are shipping in DVD type cases with different artworks. The regular version artwork is red colored and identical to the one we have seen on G.Rev's promotional flyer. The Limited Edition artwork is white colored with different background.

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-17-71-3-74-11w-49-en.html

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:40 am

To summarize the link: DVD case, arranged soundtrack, image gallery, ability to make your own replays. Nice.

Also nice to see Play asia isn't screwing us out of the preorder extra this time (even if it is just a sticker...).

I've already forgot, can someone summarize the scoring system again? Something about needing to stay on the last life to keep the rank low.

roker · Post by **roker** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:56 pm

twe wrote:Play-asia is shipping the game now. And I'll be damned, I was wrong. BOTH versions come in DVD cases! The regular version's cover is the same as the promo flyer (I actually like this cover better than the LE edition),

I like the epic look of the LE

It reminds me of SNK's DC JPN Garou cover

either way you win, IMO

Daigoro · Post by **Daigoro** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:22 pm

shit i thought i had a few more days before it shipped. i have unused coupon sitting here...

too bad about the DVD case for the non LE. i hate packaging that dosent fit in with the rest of a collection.

-is that second disc in the LE the soundtrack, or something different?

Frogacuda · Post by **Frogacuda** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:50 pm

I hope NCSX ships today, too. I'll have it tomorrow.

KBZ · Post by **KBZ** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:23 pm

there she is lads
http://image3.play-asia.com/gallery/lar ... 9.0005.jpg

....and damn! I kind of wish I got the LE version now.

llabnip · Post by **llabnip** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:59 pm

Kingbuzzo wrote:there she is lads
http://image3.play-asia.com/gallery/lar ... 9.0005.jpg
....and damn! I kind of wish I got the LE version now.

Not me... while I like the spartan white background of the LE, I think I prefer the art of the regular edition. The main pilot looks more despondent in the LE cover. In the regular edition cover, she looks more defiant, more militant, more hopeful - like she could fight her way out from under defeat.

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:03 pm

expression aside, the art is way better on the LE.

the pink haired girl needs to keep her mouth shut though.

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:58 pm

From NCSX (March 21st, 2006):

Under Defeat Limited Edition
Shipments of G.Rev's latest LE are scheduled to arrive tomorrow and all preorders for the limited edition will ship on Wednesday.

We were allocated a bonus Under Defeat decal with the limited edition of the game but only in a 1:2 ratio. That means we will receive 1 bonus decal with every 2 copies of the game. Due to this allocation, we will include the decal with early preorders. We are however checking with suppliers for any surplus decals that might be available for us to purchase separately.

Please note that due to the Shunbun-no-hi holiday in Japan last night, our shipments of the regular edition of Under Defeat will not arrive tomorrow but are now slated for Thursday. Both versions are packaged in a DVD case which may prove to be a conundrum in square-sized DC libraries.

With Under Defeat taken care of, we focus on our attention on getting Senko no Ronde for the Dreamcast. We figure as long as 3500-5000 DC preorders are assured, G.Rev may consider a Dreamcast port since those numbers will probably match how many Senko no Ronde will eventually sell on the Japanese Xbox 360.

Soldato J · Post by **Soldato J** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:35 pm

This one kinda slipped under my radar (so anxiously awaiting Ibara and Pop'n Music 12). Can someone describe gameplay? Looks sort of like a Zero Gunner 2 clone...

Ramus · Post by **Ramus** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:40 pm

Yippie! My copy shipped from P-A. If it sucks, I'm gonna wipe my ass with it then use it as a coaster.

Frogacuda · Post by **Frogacuda** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:49 pm

If past experience with NCSX is any indicator, I'll have this Thursday. Can't wait!

scrilla4rella · Post by **scrilla4rella** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:25 pm

speaking of the music- (if I may derail)- anyone know who's involved in this latest effort of Grev's. As far as I know Yack is not involved. And thats about all I know.

-I have been seriously digging Border Down's soundtrack lately. It's making me pay more attention to the other Tatio shooters of the 90's. I can't believe I used to think BD's soundtrack was garbage when I first picked it up. Geat stuff!!