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The FCC is going to gut Net Neutrality, shutting out small startups from competing on an even playing field. [etc.]
I'm sure shitliberal media :shock: has impartially analyzed all of these things and reported on them accurately. Regardless, I'm not a Trump or Republican Party fan. The only positive thing that can really be expected of the government these days is for them to tell squatters that it's time to go home. I understand that Haitians see that America is better than Haiti - we all know that and want to keep it that way. That doesn't mean that we should let them game the system and live here in perpetuity. If you want to go to Haiti or any other dire location and help out, I respect and fully support your decision.
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Rob wrote:The only positive thing that can really be expected of the government these days is for them to tell squatters that it's time to go home.
Or it might, y'know, not do all the brazenly plutocratic shit that Trump and the GOP keep doing, or even do something else entirely, once people stop acting like "I'm going to treat you like shit, but I'm going to treat people you don't like even worse" outranks all other possible qualifications for office.
I understand that Haitians see that America is better than Haiti - we all know that and want to keep it that way.
If you're not in Puerto Rico, anyway. But whatever, they're lazy and incapable of solving their own problems too.
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It's really precious that the media is now crying about freedom of speech and "net neutrality"[TM] when they actively censor and stifle regular people's voices on their platforms and platforms they blackmail with advertiser boycotts.

Precious, so god darn precious. :mrgreen:
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Does this really need to be linked again?

Then again net neutrality has little to do with "free speech" as you define it anyway, so you're obviously taking these issues as seriously as the rest of the right.

Off to the side, my prediction concerning the fate of the Billionaire Blowjob Act of 2017 seems to be rolling right along.
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austere wrote:It's really precious that the media is now crying about freedom of speech and "net neutrality"[TM] when they actively censor and stifle regular people's voices on their platforms and platforms they blackmail with advertiser boycotts.

Precious, so god darn precious. :mrgreen:
The media blackmails platforms with advertiser boycotts?

Do you even know what the media is?

But I agree, your sentiment is indeed precious.
BulletMagnet wrote:Off to the side, my prediction concerning the fate of the Billionaire Blowjob Act of 2017 seems to be rolling right along.
Well at least we don't have to pretend she's some kind of hero anymore.

Did you know the original name for "The Great Depression" was "The Republican Depression?" Harding's campaign slogan was "Less government in business and more business in government." And good old Sam Brownback gave us a preview of what to expect based on his fuck-up in Kansas before Republicans tucked him away from the public eye as U.S. Ambassador-at-Large for International Religious Freedom.
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An oligarch walks in and grabs nine cookies for himself.

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In fairness to you, BulletMagnet, you are a relentless statist :D

State regulation of the internet is, of course, a deliberately obfuscated issue. Nevertheless, interesting concerns are voiced on both sides of the discussion.

Only the state would have the brass balls to call regulation "neutral", though. They have such a way with terminology, God bless them;

Take away constitutionally delineated rights of a citizen? - Call it the "Patriot act".
Whats to complain about, you are a patriot. Aren't you?

Patriot Act gets exposed as, among other things, the biggest spying apparatus a state ever used against its own citizens :shock: Something has to be done! :evil:
A modified spying program (Patriot act) gets renewed in 2015 amid the uproar.

The state calls it, hold onto your testes, the "USA Freedom Act"! :mrgreen:


So, yeah, the states Orwellian reclassifying of the internet as a public utility, to gain regulatory powers over it. . . nothing to see here etc.

But you know, how can you not be for it? Its about "neutrality".
Don't you support neutrality, you fucking fascist!
You must be one of those unpatriotic guys that was against the "Patriot Act".
Or one of those anti-freedom fools that didn't support the "USA Freedom Act".



State intervention, to protect the consumer from predatory business practices?
Or forced, state regulated affirmative action for the intertubes . . . and depending how you read the 2013 amendments to the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012,
maybe even a little bit of domestic propaganda, for great justice!?

There is probably nothing to worry about, though.
From Gutenberg and the printing press, to facebook and merkel, its not like the state has been trying to control information . . . . . oh, wait
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Mischief Maker wrote:The media blackmails platforms with advertiser boycotts?

Do you even know what the media is?
Yeah, the media is just one frontend of the hydra. An important one, but they only have power on the internet insomuch that old people still watch television for some reason.

Yesterday I googled for that banner the DNC displayed at their 2016 convention proudly proclaiming their sponsorship by Comcast. Basically stating "The Democrats! Brought to you by comcast" outright. The link tab to their Image Search mysteriously wasn't there, I had to manually go to that subsite. And when I went there, the image I was looking for wasn't in the top 100 results.

It somewhat strains credulity that such a popular image wouldn't be in the top results. To the point that it makes ya wanna go "hrm".

Anyway, yes the virtual monopoly Google, Facebook and Twitter have on the internet and their attempts of silencing alternative media are indeed bullshit.

Different bullshit from net neutrality being blasted to smitherens and consumers having their Netflix bills blast upward 50%.

They can't really afford to leave the internet alone though. It's the only core weapon we have against them.
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Zen wrote:In fairness to you, BulletMagnet, you are a relentless statist :D
You know, were someone to take your post at face value, one might wonder if the author could possibly be so alarmingly and willfully limited in his grasp of and inquisitiveness into issues of importance that he hadn't even considered the possibility that a significant majority of people, regardless of their on-paper affiliation, allow for the notion that some government initiatives can have positive overall effects on a population, others might have negative effects, and many, many others besides are a complex, often contradictory mixture of the two, and require a good deal of inquiry and consideration into their specifics, as well as the circumstances surrounding them and potential edits or changes on the horizon, for any member of said population to be counted as meaningfully "for" or "against" them.

One might also wonder if somebody could possibly believe that opinionating, without apparent exception, from within an ironclad initial assumption that any and all government action, no matter what long-overdue boons it might grant in the process, must have been enacted with the express purpose of eventually denying citizens freedoms guaranteed under existing law, and that it is always, one would extrapolate, more prudent to throw oneself upon the mercy of private interests, despite their incredibly lengthy history of offering those same citizens a selection of openly self-interested initiatives that could, with a very generous degree of leniency, be described as at least as mixed a bag as anything the government has ever come up with, is a remotely prudent way to arrive at a "reasoned" opinion concerning any issue of the day.

At that point, methinks, most people would say to themselves, "No, nobody could be so furiously self-unaware", and attempt to suss things out again. And then again after that...though by then, of course, the next self-indulgent, conspiratorial rant has emerged, and the process starts over, until the snake oil-touting "voices of truth" are either rightfully tarred and feathered or else finally have the room all to themselves.
Well at least we don't have to pretend she's some kind of hero anymore.
Please - they've been keeping that sorry act up with Saint McCain, in the face of almost every concrete legislative action he's taken (as opposed to his somber-faced "reservations about" said astoundingly predictable actions) for a lot longer, and I can guarantee you that Flake is the next to board that ever-expanding gravy train and play the self-proclaimed "centrist voices" for fools.
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:lol:
Jesus!
Easy with those italics, BulletMagnet, You'll poke someones eye out :wink:

So, you double down on your statism, then? Fair play.

I will, again, strongly disagree with your take on my take, of people . . . on the take.
How you do not see that "the state" is but a larger, more insatiable and infinitely more lethal iteration of your dreaded, predatory "private interests",
needing to be restrained with the boot of the citizen on its neck rather than vice-versa, is the very epitome of the unfortunate condition of being, as you say, "furiously self-unaware".

Citation; History, in its entirety.
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You don't see it?
It clearly says;


"Zen, I am being held captive by Mischief Maker and BryanM.
Please help.
I want schnapps.

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Zen wrote:I want schnapps.
Well, you got that part right. :P
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Wikipedia wrote:Ajit Varadaraj Pai (born January 10, 1973) is an American attorney who serves as the Chairman of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC). He is the first Indian American to hold the office.

He has served in various positions at the FCC since being appointed to the commission by President Barack Obama in May 2012, at the recommendation of Mitch McConnell. He was confirmed unanimously by the United States Senate on May 7, 2012,[1] and was sworn in on May 14, 2012, for a five-year term.[2]

In January 2017, President Donald Trump designated Pai as FCC Chairman.[3][4] In March 2017, Trump announced that he would renominate Pai to serve another five-year term as FCC Chairman.[5] Pai was confirmed by the U.S. Senate for an additional five-year term as FCC Chairman on October 2, 2017.[6] Before his appointment to the FCC, Pai held positions with the Department of Justice, the United States Senate, the FCC's Office of General Counsel, and Verizon Communications.
Thanks Obama.
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While we're on the topic, before we venture into this proverbial coal mine, we might want to consider at least one canary.
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just look at Portugal
What amounts to entertainment is what it takes to get people into alarmist mode about how the country might change into some other country. I might literally die if I had to pay extra for services I don't want or need.
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Rob wrote:
just look at Portugal
What amounts to entertainment is what it takes to get people into alarmist mode about how the country might change into some other country. I might literally die if I had to pay extra for services I don't want or need.
Yeah, and small businesses like mine might die if relegated to a second-tier slower, shittier internet because I can't pay the same access fees as Amazon-style megasites to monopolistic ISPs to reach potential clients. But it's not like you NEED the internet to do business nowadays!

This is almost as hilarious as the time you got all snotbubbles about how high-risk and low-risk insurance customers pay into a common pool. Were you aware you were repeating a specifically-tailored talking point, or did you think it was your own independent idea at the time?

But do tell me about how a bunch of Haitians on the opposite side of the continent from you are the REAL threat to the American Dream. It's not like you're being played like a fiddle or anything.
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Then he says to the white dude "Watch out for that black dude, he wants a piece of your cookie!"
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Rob wrote:What amounts to entertainment is what it takes to get people into alarmist mode about how the country might change into some other country.
That's low-effort even for you, Rob. :lol:
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Is it really? My Netflix is my life and the time to panic is now.
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Mischief Maker wrote:This is almost as hilarious as the time you got all snotbubbles about how high-risk and low-risk insurance customers pay into a common pool. Were you aware you were repeating a specifically-tailored talking point, or did you think it was your own independent idea at the time?
I thought we had already talked this one into the ground. No one needs to be duped into not wanting to pay for lifestyle diseases in the land of obesity.
Mischief Maker wrote:But do tell me about how a bunch of Haitians on the opposite side of the continent from you are the REAL threat to the American Dream.
In 1990, as part of the Immigration Act of 1990 ("IMMACT"), P.L. 101-649, Congress established a procedure by which the Attorney General may provide TPS to immigrants in the United States who are temporarily unable to safely return to their home country because of ongoing armed conflict, an environmental disaster, or other extraordinary and temporary conditions.
They are a threat to America because people don't know when or where to draw the line. It's never just 60,000 and all of the kids they manage to have while here. There are 800,000 "dreamers", 10-30 million illegals, 50,000-100,000+ "refugees" a year in addition to the million regular immigrants a year and whatever else I'm missing. The environmental disaster was an earthquake in 2010. The question is: should they still be here in 2017? If their "dream" is weaseling their way into America and staying permanently when temporarily was the offer, the steel-toe boot is what they should get.
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significant majority of people, regardless of their on-paper affiliation, allow for the notion that some government initiatives can have positive overall effects on a population, others might have negative effects
Whether or not they have any positive effect, they all have negative effects. Government costs money to run. Laws cost money to enforce. Enforcement=violence. If one believes that a tax on sugary beverages, for instance, is a great idea, one had better be ready to have the SWAT team show up at their house at 4AM looking for evidence of bootleg soda pop production.

Not that this has much to do with net neutrality. The relationship between government and big telecom/internet companies until now has been characterized by corporate welfare, regulatory capture, and a certain level of cooperation in killing competition and implementing mass surveillance and censorship schemes. In other words, nothing but negative effects. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask the gov, by way of a net neutrality policy, to prevent the internet landscape from becoming any closer to corporate feudalism than it already is. Libertarian-minded commentators have argued that removal of government-imposed barriers to competition in the ISP space could give way to market-based solutions to any problems caused by the lack of net neutrality. Well, great. But is that an argument against anything? What if gov ends their detrimental policies AND ALSO institutes a beneficial one? (We can dream.)
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Not that there could ever be any real competition. How bad does an ISP have to be to make it worth the hundreds of millions of dollars to plant another line of cables in the ground. Pretty fuckin' bad. It's a utility, not some interchangeable product.

A joke last year was the 'ole Bernie Speed Test, a website that measured your internet connection speed and compared it to what they get in Romania. Romania would usually win by a huge margin.

Pay more, get less, 'murica.

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Strategic genius confirmed, once again: the ayatollahs are on the ropes!
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Hey Rob, let's bury the hatchet on the immigration issue for the time being. I assume we're on the same page regarding the environment.

Are you aware the Republicans are seeking to lure Lisa Murkowski into voting the Affordable Care Act into a death spiral in return for opening up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge for drilling and spilling? What reports I have read on her reaction make it sound like she's giddy at the prospect.

(For anyone who's wondering, opening up ANWR would NOT end our dependence on foreign oil because like all oil drilled in the US, it would go into the international market and most likely get gobbled up by China. If you think Republicans would nationalize the US oil industry to prevent that, I've got a bridge to sell you.)

Maybe you should give her a call and tell her you do not support her making this bargain. Maybe find some other nature-loving Alaskans and encourage them to call her too. If public comments didn't make any difference, Obamacare really would have been repealed in the first week of Trump's presidency like he promised.

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And with that I'm off to give Ron Johnson's office another "attaboy" call for pretending to be against this "Make America Brownback's Kansas Again" tax bill, then dry heaving for a solid 10 minutes.
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Mischief Maker wrote:Hey Rob, let's bury the hatchet on the immigration issue for the time being. I assume we're on the same page regarding the environment.
No, just give me the hatchet. 8) Not to be a quibbling bitch, but immigration and environmental issues are intertwined. The problem is the American lifestyle and inviting millions upon millions to "live a better life" (partake in that American lifestyle) is terrible for the environment locally and globally. Can't live like a standard American, wish for more to do the same and then throw a fit when there's insatiable demand for oil. A David Brower quote that comes to mind: “Conservationists have to win again and again and again; the enemy only has to win once.” ANWR is always on the chopping block because there's a trillion dollars waiting to be sucked out of it and good paying jobs that people want. If people with superhuman endurance want to do the David Brower thing, I say good for them but I think it's a lost cause.
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It would have taken less time and energy to make the damn call than it did writing out that long excuse for your laziness.
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You're being trolled, MM - it's literally all they have, right up to the top.

On that note, stay classy, Project Veritas.
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The Pocahontas stuff is juvenile but funny. She knows what he's driving at is true.
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Rob wrote:The Pocahontas stuff is juvenile but funny. She knows what he's driving at is true.
Trump's sense of humor is really like... zero. That's why he sat there like a testicle when Obama ripped him a new one at the correspondence dinner so many moons ago. On that note, is there a funny Republican?
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