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 Post subject: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:10 pm 



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As with the Sega Game Gear I was wondering if anyone has tried to consolize the Neo Geo Pocket?


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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:19 am 


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It's not going to be of much help, but it's worth noting an official SNK 'consolized' NGPC (sort of) existed, even it seems to be obscenely rare, with only a few (literally, around 3) of them ever came out on Yahoo auctions.

Pretty awesome piece of kit, though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG64QlZuzdg


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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:49 pm 



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The digital RGB signals are easily accessible from the NGPC PCB http://i.imgur.com/04dQq.jpg. I have a Neo Geo Pocket Color on the way and I'm gonna try to convert it to HDMI using the same board I used for this video https://youtu.be/pvdC2y_xwLk. I'll post here if I make any progress.


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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:41 pm 


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Woozle wrote:
The digital RGB signals are easily accessible from the NGPC PCB http://i.imgur.com/04dQq.jpg. I have a Neo Geo Pocket Color on the way and I'm gonna try to convert it to HDMI using the same board I used for this video https://youtu.be/pvdC2y_xwLk. I'll post here if I make any progress.


That could be interesting, though I'd prefer analog RGB too ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:52 pm 


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I've wanted an affordable and available NGPC hardware video out solution for a long time (K2_Videos are unicorns, more or less).

I too would want RGB 15khz, but I'd settle for a 15khz unscaled "centered" in 240p mode over HDMI to use with a VGA adapter gladly. 2x and 3x integer scaling of the original image in 480p mode would be pretty great as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:01 pm 



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My fpga board can be modified to support RGB/YPbPr at 240p/480p by swapping the hdmi connector with a vga connector and adding a ADV7125 DAC. I actually have a board on my desk to do just that for the GBA but I never assembled it because I want to make some changes.

Bigger issue is making it still useable as a handheld after the board and controller port are installed :p


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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:06 pm 


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Color me impressed, and quite interested in any results from your work.


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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:06 pm 


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Just keep an unmodified one as a handheld, then get a 2nd one to consolize. That's my plan :).


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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:53 pm 


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Any news on the project?^^
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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:37 pm 


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robotvendingmachine wrote:
As with the Sega Game Gear I was wondering if anyone has tried to consolize the Neo Geo Pocket?


I asked beharius this exact thing in his Consolized Sega Game Gear thread, if he ever gave thought towards a consolized NGPC, and he gave me a very short answer of "no".
It's a shame, the quality of games on the NGPC are light-years better than the Game Gear. But I guess he is a fan of the GG and it's an easier system to turn into console.
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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:24 pm 



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gbaplayer wrote:
Any news on the project?^^

Still waiting on the NGPC to arrive from Japan, it made it to the US so it should be delivered to me in not too long.

it should take very little time to make a "proof of concept" of a NGPC tv adapter...turning it into something useful that others can use will take a long time. Have to start somewhere!


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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:23 pm 



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opt2not wrote:
robotvendingmachine wrote:
As with the Sega Game Gear I was wondering if anyone has tried to consolize the Neo Geo Pocket?


I asked beharius this exact thing in his Consolized Sega Game Gear thread, if he ever gave thought towards a consolized NGPC, and he gave me a very short answer of "no".
It's a shame, the quality of games on the NGPC are light-years better than the Game Gear. But I guess he is a fan of the GG and it's an easier system to turn into console.

Worry not, I am 100% sure that, once Woozle is done with his hdmi mod, somebody will do at least 1-2 batches of a consolized NGPC. Trust me, I can foresee the future... 8)


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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:48 am 



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I picked up the NGPC from the post office a few hours ago. I was able to get decent results using the same FPGA board I'm using for my GBA and Game Gear TV out projects.

Currently working on a QSB which uses a 40-pin flex cable to connect to the main FPGA PCB, inspired by all of citrus3000psi's awesome QSBs. I'm using a 0.05" via for each pad, not sure if solder will flow down that but I guess I'll find out. Just using the 4 red bits for now, hence the gray scale video. I could solder up the rest of the color bits, but I don't want to risk lifting any pads before I can attempt installing a QSB.

https://youtu.be/TQlQgPWMlfU

https://imgur.com/a/JF5oo


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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:17 am 


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Omg yes! Is this really happening?? Someone pinch me.

Great job on the progress, it’s looking awesome so far.
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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:40 am 


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Great news! I've been waiting for something like this for years (good luck finding a K2_Video..)


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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:13 pm 



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Glad you like it :)

Does anyone know what type of controller connector the Neo Geo AES uses? If it's a part I can buy on digikey I'd like to put a controller port on the PCB.


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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:21 pm 


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HAS uses them so they are available.


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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:55 pm 


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Isn't it just your regular DB-15 connector?

Great work, Woozle!


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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:37 pm 


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WOW.

whats stopping the color just curious?
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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:37 pm 



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There's 12 pads on the NGPC to solder for the pixel data, 4-bits for red/blue/green each. I only soldered wires to the 4-bits for red at first.

I went back and soldered everything but the green bits 3 and 0, ran out on fpga pins on the IO breakout board I was using.

I'm going to work on getting the pinout for the 36-pin lcd flex cable, that way I just plug directly into the NGPC with no soldering.

Here's it working with more color. There are some glitchy pixels, but that's from the wiring.

https://youtu.be/WcqjEEcw2zU


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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:22 pm 


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This is so great. Nice job, Woozle!
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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:20 am 


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If you plan selling these, please count me in. :)
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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:31 am 


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gbaplayer wrote:
If you plan selling these, please count me in. :)


Me too! Amazing work Woozle!


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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:53 pm 


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Lets not start the domino effect of purchase interest posts just yet. Clearly there's interest in this board, and a spot in the market for a mod like this. But lets let Woozle get further along before every bump to this thread becomes packed with "me too's".
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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
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opt2not wrote:
Lets not start the domino effect of purchase interest posts just yet. Clearly there's interest in this board, and a spot in the market for a mod like this. But lets let Woozle get further along before every bump to this thread becomes packed with "me too's".


Why don't let OP decide if he wants people asking for purchases.

I would definitely buy one .

That's 5 of us so far.
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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:37 pm 



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I love the enthusiasm for the project, but I do think we should keep expectations in check. This was just a quick little test/demo I got going over the weekend, it's far away from a polished/finished product.

My main focus is my GBA hdmi kit, once I get that finished I plan to tackle things like Game Gear, 3DS, and NGPC hdmi kits. Until then you'll just have to be patient :)


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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:59 pm 


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Thank you for sharing your progress, I'm sure there will be lots of interest in purchasing when you decide to focus more on this.


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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:25 pm 


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Woozle wrote:
I love the enthusiasm for the project, but I do think we should keep expectations in check. This was just a quick little test/demo I got going over the weekend, it's far away from a polished/finished product.

My main focus is my GBA hdmi kit, once I get that finished I plan to tackle things like Game Gear, 3DS, and NGPC hdmi kits. Until then you'll just have to be patient :)

Thanks for letting us know, Woozle. I figured as much, which is why I mentioned to my fellow enthusiasts that we should temper our excitement for now. Personally I'm willing to wait, I've gone so long without this being even remotely on the radar of possibilities, I can wait a bit more. Besides, I'm also looking forward to seeing your GBA hdmi kit.
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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:04 am 


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Big fan of the NGPC and its great library of games. This truly is a very cool development and a project I would support with a purchase.


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 Post subject: Re: Neo Geo Pocket Color on the TV
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:20 am 


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All the best of luck with finifhing the GBA kit Woozle :wink: This is a very promising project, and I personally am very excited to see the end result :mrgreen: keep us posted


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