GamerGate - and it's continuing aftermath.

[austere]

The fallout is already fucken dericious ¦3

Meanwhile, on NeoGAF

[evil_ash_xero]

I hope these losers don't flood GameFAQs. I actually like that site.

You never know...there's a couple of shmup threads there, and threads on retro-game hardware. They may show up here.

Don't let them get out of hand, mods.

[drunkninja24]

Seems poetic really, NeoGAF fostered an intolerant atmosphere of judgement and assumption of guilt. It became absolutely toxic, people being banned for middle of the road anti-hive-mind opinions. I stopped going there a while ago.

I never could go there despite trying, I followed all their archaic rules for registering an account (used ISP email and all) but never did get fully approved for some unknown reason (even as recently as about 3 months ago I actually logged in there just to see if my account could post anything at all but nope lol)

Good riddance I say

[Skykid]

They may show up here.

I think we can learn them a few things.

[evil_ash_xero]

They may show up here.

I think we can learn them a few things.

I'll get the bat, you bring the chain.

[Skykid]

I'm loading up on trigger words as we speak.

[STG]

You never know...there's a couple of shmup threads there, and threads on retro-game hardware. They may show up here.

LOL, well, some of us have been on both sites for years.

Never would have expected GAF to end the way it did, definitely a surprise. But sure, I could see why people don’t like the site. Maybe it was over-moderated that led to the direction the forum took? I dunno, I wasn’t a super active member or bumped heads with any of the mods, but it was obvious to see the OT took a bad turn (and it was even worse especially after this previous election). For all the bad, there was plenty of good stuff: the sales discussions, the industry news, and I always enjoyed the site during E3 or other major events like a new DQ announcement. Ah well, whatev, we move on.

[cave hermit]

LOL, well, some of us have been on both sites for years.

[ryu]

so the owner took it down because of some personal drama instead of handing it over to somebody else? that's just to silly lol

[Durandal]

LOL, well, some of us have been on both sites for years.

I'd keep the shower doors closed the next time you take a shower if I were you, buddy...

[STG]

Hahaha @ cave hermit & durandal

Don’t forget, the site is how he generates an income ryu, he would have to sell it. Whether he would or not... who knows. I would think he’s speaking to a lawyer at this point.

[austere]

Ewww a NeoGAF refugee, get away (just kidding )!

Lawyer or not, I think there is no salvaging that site at this point, there's too big of a stigma attached to it. If he wanted to save it he would have resigned and handed it over to his second in command, and that would have probably been the end of it. I'm discounting the possibility that he didn't do anything wrong since he never really defended himself and has a history of this kind of stuff.

I don't know if it's true or not but apparently he was offered $10 million for his site at one point in time and refused.

[STG]

I think you’e spot on man, personally I can’t see it being salvaged either, plus there’s already talk of starting a new forum from a bunch of regulars in the community. And many people have simply started to roam elsewhere or form on discord.

Still, wild to think a site that large could implode the way it did in a matter of hours. Was reading the carnage before I went to dinner, got back home and that was it.

Only reason I mention a lawyer, the guy did just take a massive financial hit due to being #metoo-ed... afaik the site was his main (only?) source of income, I would think he needs to explore his options. Crazy shit.

[evil_ash_xero]

Hey, I'll be honest...I was banned twice for wrong think.

However, I did go there to find news on new games coming out. It was pretty good for that. It was just an over-moderated SJW cesspool. Just an awful place to actually read the posts, that didn't have to do with gaming.

[Bananamatic]

I read the shmup thread once and it was trash
apparently calling a port with broken replays, leaderboards and half of the modes broken shit is too harsh
fuck em

[BulletMagnet]

I'm discounting the possibility that he didn't do anything wrong since he never really defended himself and has a history of this kind of stuff.

For whatever it's worth it seems he's responded, and denied any wrongdoing...for myself, the whole situation is too knotty to even begin to attempt to sort out, even if you assume both are being even halfway honest.

[Bananamatic]

but I thought Vice was all about the "listen and believe" stuff?
suddenly they care about facts once it's their own people

[Sly Cherry Chunks]

https://imgur.com/a/FJrjx

KOTAKU BRINGS U THE HAWT SCOOP

he's responded

This is kids stuff. Bike shed-level teen drama, the kind of gossip I used to hear 25 years ago when we all first discovered Strongbow. These people are children, right?

[BIL]

Indeed! Nothing anyone did matters - with consolations to the soap opera crowd, you have been hoodwinked! This is the story of a horrible weapon abandoned on the internet by the SJWs of the 21st century. Now that mistake has returned to haunt them in the form of LISTEN AND BELIEVE. Conventional weapons and reasoned argument are of equally little help to those marked by the very phantom they invited into their midst.

It's great for the merchandising people that we have names, faces and sometimes criminal records for the bodies being mulched and spewed out across the digital aether, but as with any good horror show the killer is the star. Please relax and enjoy.

This is the scary internet movie the chumps behind UNFRIENDED™ and A GHOST FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER™ should be making.

[austere]

For whatever it's worth it seems he's responded, and denied any wrongdoing

Sort of, he admitted he did what she claimed he did but added that she consented. However:

She called his insistence that such an advance was consensual "delusional."

Malka told us to listen and believe, so this is the ABSOLUTE truth. Again, he never disputed the event, merely the part about consent. Until he can present some tangible evidence that she consented to this, he committed sexual assault according to his own standards. He also called her mentally ill, which is a pretty serious claim that will require more verifiable evidence. He's known to make these claims about women who accuse him of wrong doings, see his 2015 statement for example.

(Of course I agree with you that the whole thing is sketchy, but the guy's character isn't exactly trustworthy. Not sure what she was thinking going to another city with him, but it's no wonder her boyfriend left her.)

Update: He finally made a statement with no evidence, as expected. Kind of hard to produce evidence when it's only two people in the room (I presume).

[Skykid]

Jesus Christ, that place deserves to die.

I just flipped through 25 pages of fucknuts getting themselves banned because a girl nobody knows made a tenuous claim of sexual assault that absolutely nobody knows the validity of. Their reactions are absurd; is there a reason to outright jump to the defence of the accuser when the scenario is akin to an embarrassing rejection at an alcohol fuelled house party?

I don't know what the guy's history is - he might be a serial rapist - but as far as I know he remains uncharged for anything, including this. And I apologise for offering logic to douse the fiasco, but we're looking at a witchunt that's backed by daft bastards with no social lives who white knight because that's the closest they can get to interacting with actual pussy via a keyboard.

Believe Women? What, outright? No questions asked? Whatever they say? Go by a default rationale that a male is always guilty no matter what? The female word is gospel? Women are flawless individuals who can't ever misconstrue, exaggerate or victimise? No grey areas allowed? Lump all accusations in a single grade of severity? Lock up the accused without a trial or investigation?

How about believe fuck you!

[FinalBaton]

Jesus Christ, that place deserves to die.

I just flipped through 25 pages of fucknuts getting themselves banned because a girl nobody knows made a tenuous claim of sexual assault that absolutely nobody knows the validity of. Their reactions are absurd; is there a reason to outright jump to the defence of the accuser when the scenario is akin to an embarrassing rejection at an alcohol fuelled house party?

I don't know what the guy's history is - he might be a serial rapist - but as far as I know he remains uncharged for anything, including this. And I apologise for offering logic to douse the fiasco, but we're looking at a witchunt that's backed by daft bastards with no social lives who white knight because that's the closest they can get to interacting with actual pussy via a keyboard.

Believe Women? What, outright? No questions asked? Whatever they say? Go by a default rationale that a male is always guilty no matter what? The female word is gospel? Women are flawless individuals who can't ever misconstrue, exaggerate or victimise? No grey areas allowed? Lump all accusations in a single grade of severity? Lock up the accused without a trial or investigation?

How about believe fuck you!

Great post.

I especially hate that there's no grey areas in public debates anymore, for most people(well, for the loudest lets's say) it's black or white or nothing. So annoying, it seems like each year the pendulum swings further to each sides than the year before. It's a "choose your camp and shout" contest.

And yes I agree the guy can't be proven guilty yet. I'll be more than happy to criticize him when he's proven guilty and to which level, but it looks to me like we can't quite lay down the guillotine yet. (mind you that I'm tailoring this judgement to the situation. It could(not saying it is) be a case of a drunk guy trying his luck and getting turned down, from what we know so far. If it was clear cut that he had intent to sexually arrass her and did so, I'd be calling him out).

Also so tired of white knights. It seems to me like their true motivation is to get their 5 minutes of fame. they want to feel like they matter and make a difference(which they absolutely fucking don't). Just shut the fuck up already, ughhh

[BIL]

I don't know what the guy's history is - he might be a serial rapist - but as far as I know he remains uncharged for anything, including this. And I apologise for offering logic to douse the fiasco, but we're looking at a witchunt that's backed by daft bastards with no social lives who white knight because that's the closest they can get to interacting with actual pussy via a keyboard.

Apt metaphors all, especially the dousing bit. Unfortunately this is a grease fire, fuelled by a particularly rich, fatty hysteria... reason only enrages it. Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch tbh.

Spoiler

[Zen]

Jesus Christ, that place deserves to die.

I just flipped through 25 pages of fucknuts getting themselves banned because a girl nobody knows made a tenuous claim of sexual assault that absolutely nobody knows the validity of. Their reactions are absurd; is there a reason to outright jump to the defence of the accuser when the scenario is akin to an embarrassing rejection at an alcohol fuelled house party?

I don't know what the guy's history is - he might be a serial rapist - but as far as I know he remains uncharged for anything, including this. And I apologise for offering logic to douse the fiasco, but we're looking at a witchunt that's backed by daft bastards with no social lives who white knight because that's the closest they can get to interacting with actual pussy via a keyboard.

Believe Women? What, outright? No questions asked? Whatever they say? Go by a default rationale that a male is always guilty no matter what? The female word is gospel? Women are flawless individuals who can't ever misconstrue, exaggerate or victimise? No grey areas allowed? Lump all accusations in a single grade of severity? Lock up the accused without a trial or investigation?

How about believe fuck you!

You do yourself a disservice if you take this at face value. Stand back and look at the panorama. The probability is very high that this is not at all what it seems.

Meantime, Im with BIL. Lets just enjoy the fireworks

[Blinge]

The probability is very high that this is not at all what it seems.

Yeah the grand conspiracy to lock all men up, especially those with opinions about videogames!
First they came for the Twitterati, then the forums, now they're coming for you, zen.
Move to the US and start stockpiling arms.

[FinalBaton]

The probability is very high that this is not at all what it seems.

I think that's exactly what he's saying.

unless I read him (or you) wrong.

[qmish]

I read the shmup thread once and it was trash
apparently calling a port with broken replays, leaderboards and half of the modes broken shit is too harsh
fuck em

main shmup thread was meh

but

"PC Shoot'em Ups / Shmups / STGs Release Archive" was good

It was mentioning all shmups (be it ports, doujins, indie etc) that were recently released and soon to be released
With screenshots, videos, official website links

All in one place

do we have such thread here?

p.s.

also those damn pretty |OT| aka official threads were nice. I mean, opening posts of them.
like http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... 0593+&cd=1
etc

[Durandal]

NeoGAF can produce some authentic gold when the floor they're standing on is collapsing in itself:

Spoiler

[qmish]

oh stop

so gaf is "just" back?



that was too quick (compare to, for example, recent assemblergames shutdown)

Ok, now my 700+ bookmarks in browser not gone forever

[evil_ash_xero]

They've brought this upon themselves, with their low standards for "sexual harassment", and "listen and believe". However, from what I have read on it...I don't think the guy did anything wrong. He embarrassed himself, and it was a bit weird...but he took off as soon as she said "go". You can do some stupid shit when you misread signals.

Obviously, I want GAF to burn, and I'm more than happy to see this happen. But to me, it's all ado about nothing. Unless there is something I'm missing (and there very well may be).

They seem to be back now...I have to wonder how this will go, with the mass exodus of mods and (possibly) members. Guess we'll have to wait and see.