Prelude to the Apocalypse

[Bananamatic]

It's still a crime in CA, just downgraded from felony to misdemeanor.

in what world is deliberately pumping someone's neg hole full of poz load a "misdemeanor" that gets you only up to 6 months in jail?
that's way past the point of greater good

[Mischief Maker]

It's still a crime in CA, just downgraded from felony to misdemeanor.

in what world is deliberately pumping someone's neg hole full of poz load a "misdemeanor" that gets you only up to 6 months in jail?
that's way past the point of greater good

I already answered that question but you chose not to quote that portion for some reason.

[Giest118]

The old law disincentivized HIV testing. Don't know you've got HIV? You're safe from being prosecuted under the old law.

If the problem is incentive vs disincentive, wouldn't the thing to do be to change the law so that you can get prosecuted even if you don't know you've got HIV? Or maybe make it so people are legally obligated to get tested or else get fines and/or prison?

Or maybe pay people to get tested. I dunno. I'd get tested if I thought I'd get a hundred dollars for it. Make it an AIDS-themed economic stimulus package.

[Rob]

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[Giest118]

But Rob. That completely undermines the "appeal to hypocrisy" argument that everybody for some reason thinks is totally valid.

[Bananamatic]

Or maybe pay people to get tested.

or maybe don't be a degenerate (man)slut that fucks anything that moves without protection
except suggesting any kind of self control these days is "shaming" and extremely bad

[Giest118]

I'm just thinking like an overlord who has absolutely no faith in these flesh sacks known as humans.

Obviously, the world would be better if everyone would just agree to not be shit. But that's now how humans do things.

[Mischief Maker]

Or maybe pay people to get tested.

or maybe don't be a degenerate (man)slut that fucks anything that moves without protection
except suggesting any kind of self control these days is "shaming" and extremely bad

Yeah, I saw that episode of Law & Order too. I found it about as realistic as the Gamergate one.

Removing impediments to large amounts of people getting HIV tested is more important to society than worrying about some fictional AIDS werewolf.

[BulletMagnet]

Removing impediments to large amounts of people getting HIV tested is more important to society than worrying about some fictional AIDS werewolf.

You'll have to forgive me here as I feel like I'm missing something obvious, but I'm having trouble conceiving how reducing the penalty for this particular crime (off to the side, I can only wonder how many states bother writing specific laws concerning such a situation, as it must be quite rare) would encourage anyone who thinks he/she might have HIV and hasn't already gotten tested to do so now...I can understand the whole "stigma" thing (though I don't think that's really an acceptable excuse not to find out if you're positive or not), but seeing as this law - again, correct me if I'm wrong - only applies to deliberately infecting someone with the explicit intention to do them harm, how would this incentivize people who wouldn't do that - presumably, the vast majority of them - to be tested?

Beyond that, even if the legislature honestly does intend to encourage HIV testing, it seriously feels like the first thing someone said when they got together on this was "How can we go about this in a way which guarantees the maximum amount of blowback possible?" It's as if they're begging on their knees for more shit like this.

Back in the realm of matters likely to affect more than a tiny subset of us, when one of the primary complaints about the ACA as it stands is that too many plans cover so little and have such high deductibles that they're effectively useless, what do you do to "fix" it? Make it worse, of course! But of course nobody's trying to sabotage anything, perish the thought!

[Mischief Maker]

Removing impediments to large amounts of people getting HIV tested is more important to society than worrying about some fictional AIDS werewolf.

You'll have to forgive me here as I feel like I'm missing something obvious, but I'm having trouble conceiving how reducing the penalty for this particular crime (off to the side, I can only wonder how many states bother writing specific laws concerning such a situation, as it must be quite rare) would encourage anyone who thinks he/she might have HIV and hasn't already gotten tested to do so now...I can understand the whole "stigma" thing (though I don't think that's really an acceptable excuse not to find out if you're positive or not), but seeing as this law - again, correct me if I'm wrong - only applies to deliberately infecting someone with the explicit intention to do them harm, how would this incentivize people who wouldn't do that - presumably, the vast majority of them - to be tested?

The devil is in the details. Like all sex crimes, how do you prove or disprove intent? How do you overcome jury bias?

Back when I was in the innocence project, I had a client who was in the catholic church back when that particular sex scandal blew up. The facts by themselves showed that he COULD NOT have been the one who harmed the child. Frankly I think it was an abuse of prosecutorial discretion that he was even charged in the first place. But his lawyer was weak and the jury was emotional and an innocent man's life was destroyed. The real guy was caught eventually and my client walks free today, but he was financially ruined and I shudder to imagine what happened to him in prison with a child molesting rap.

But there's one guaranteed defense against intent to do harm, and that's not to know you had HIV in the first place. That's not a risk one should take to get out of a misdemeanor, but to avoid a life-changing felony conviction?

Beyond that, even if the legislature honestly does intend to encourage HIV testing, it seriously feels like the first thing someone said when they got together on this was "How can we go about this in a way which guarantees the maximum amount of blowback possible?" It's as if they're begging on their knees for more shit like this.

Ah cripes! Could you even imagine right-wingers talking to each other about strategy and saying, "I don't know if we should do this, what if it galvanizes the left?"

Besides, even if you don't give Alex Jones something of substance to whine about, he'll just make shit up.

(Speaking of felonies ruining lives, why on earth does anyone still watch Alex Jones after Edgar Maddison Welch?)

[BryanM]

Ah cripes! Could you even imagine right-wingers talking to each other about strategy and saying, "I don't know if we should do this, what if it galvanizes the left?"

(Speaking of felonies ruining lives, why on earth does anyone still watch Alex Jones after Edgar Maddison Welch?)

One of their candidates is running on how she courageously stopped the sell of baby parts. Those people don't occupy reality, so they're not worth thinking about.

All the left can do to minimize opposition is not have overwhelming contempt for poor people, which is obviously too much to ask of the Hillpeople.

Though of course all it has to do to win elections is do what 60+% of the country wants to be done. That's just how numbers work; ~60% is bigger than ~35%. But their donors won't allow them to.

[BulletMagnet]

But there's one guaranteed defense against intent to do harm, and that's not to know you had HIV in the first place. That's not a risk one should take to get out of a misdemeanor, but to avoid a life-changing felony conviction?

You obviously know the law better than I do, but somewhere in the back of my head I think I recall that at least in certain situations someone can still be held liable for something he can credibly claim he didn't know about, but it "could be reasonably expected" that he should have known about it, or at least made a good-faith attempt to find out...not sure what the proper name would be, or precisely how it might apply in a situation like this, but offhand it sounds unlikely that pleading (willful) ignorance is quite that much of a lowercase-t trump card.

Ah cripes! Could you even imagine right-wingers talking to each other about strategy and saying, "I don't know if we should do this, what if it galvanizes the left?"

The left doesn't get galvanized - all we ever seem to have at moments of opportunity are undisciplined, hedonistic mobs who repeatedly prove themselves more than willing to exchange wide-reaching, life-changing progress for a few moments of personal catharsis, which unfailingly gets on the news and sends the Robs of the world into the waiting arms of appalling snake oil salesmen like capital-T Trump. Seriously, encouraging people to get tested is all well and good, but in the same manner as it's worth asking "is refusing to stand for the national anthem the most effective means of protesting police brutality", is this seriously the most wide-reaching and potent avenue anyone could have taken to that end?

Frankly, the fact that we're following an open troll's lead and squabbling about this stuff even as the GOP sticks its daggers into both the ACA and the Iran deal isn't exactly encouraging.

All the left can do to minimize opposition is not have overwhelming contempt for poor people

Those people don't occupy reality, so they're not worth thinking about.

On that note, maybe my radar's off, but I might detect just a hint of cognitive dissonance here.

[BryanM]

The left doesn't get galvanized

False, we get galvanized all the time.







But you already know that. Why do you pretend that our overlords do not systematically surpass this natural state of society? If we are truly monsters, why do we even need democrats to sedate the masses and intentionally lose elections? We could just have a one party state and not even bother to pretend otherwise.

... are you on the take???????!

On that note, maybe my radar's off, but I might detect just a hint of cognitive dissonance here.

I know you don't like admitting this, but 100% of the people who voted republican in 2016 or stayed home, are not a homogenous group of people.

You're being very Markos, pretending that I'm not talking about two different sets of people within those two sentences. Not every gop voter believes that every shooting is a false flag to steal guns, not every millionaire that just wants a massive tax cut believes it's for the common good, not every person that throws a brick through a window is foolish to do so.

[BryanM]

Case in point of the current activity of the left: it's trying to take over the democratic party and fix it. You might have gotten one or two hints about it itt. They will not completely succeed in next year's primaries, but they will overcome with time. That's what having 80% of the youth vote means.

... also the idea of Jeb! voters believing in baby parts and such is kinda funny. Such gentle lambs don't seem terribly disposed to such exciting madness. Too perturbing on the mind.

[BryanM]

To triple post, this thread oftentimes gives excellent examples of lots of the things I've talked about.

Like whenever one of the 2 or 3 active race lords make some unprovable claim. It can't be shot down by one person going "hey, there's no way to divorce environmental factors from genetic factors, and the measure itself will always be subjective, so there's no way to prove the things that you believe." That's not enough, eight or so people have to have a long back and forth about the topic.

Who's in control of the conversation? They are. Is it any wonder anyone not invested in the racelord's excuse to make them feel better about themselves, sees politics as an ugly shouting match about terrible things? That it makes them feel like dogshit, so they check out? That the voting rate keeps going down the shitter, to the benefit of said racelord?

"Democrats are broken, let's fix them." No one cares.

"You can't rally an army without a cause. Medicare is a pretty good cause." No one cares.

"White people are gooder at math and stuff." Furious outrage.

Jon Ossoff is such an incredible piece of shit. His opponent said she does not support a living wage. Instead of advertising this very important, important fact with a megaphone, he showed himself tweeting about how mean Trump is instead.

Millions of dollars were flushed down the toilet to crush that moment of opportunity. Some communist in Russian America flapping on about white power on the internet is a speck on the bottom of the ocean to that.

[EmperorIng]

Hey man, after that corporate takeover of America, culture wars are all we got left to talk about.

[mamboFoxtrot]

Jon Ossoff is such an incredible piece of shit. His opponent said she does not support a living wage. Instead of advertising this very important, important fact with a megaphone, he showed himself tweeting about how mean Trump is instead.

wat
damn, and I thought Hillary's Ads were a waste

[Rob]

"Democrats are broken, let's fix them." No one cares.

Yeah, no one cares because that can't be fixed. It is now the anti-white + gibs party. No self-respecting white wants what they're selling.

not every person that throws a brick through a window is foolish to do so.

Do you have something to confess, Bryan?

[Specineff]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/13/politics/ ... index.html

Boy, too bad it isn't Hillary Clinton making a fool of herself with that statement.

[Rob]

Boy, too bad it isn't Hillary Clinton making a fool of herself with that statement.

Oh yeah, she'd say all of the right words and favor illegals over American citizens. Normal people do not care what he calls anyone - they just want a wall.

[Mischief Maker]

Normal people do not care what he calls anyone - they just want a wall.

A see-through wall!

[Specineff]

Oh yeah, she'd say all of the right words and favor illegals over American citizens. Normal people do not care what he calls anyone - they just want a wall.

Yup. Because she did it with so much passion as secretary of state along with the last administration, that you need to remind us like every three posts or so. Care to share how such perceived bias and/or hypothetical actions have affected you one way or another?

And the way Infallible President Cheeto is going about it, a wall will indeed need to be built to keep all fleeing Americans out of Mexico, and another to protect Canada.

[Rob]

Care to share how such perceived bias and/or hypothetical actions have affected you one way or another?

Can you rephrase this for me? I don't understand what you're asking.

[Mischief Maker]

Care to share how such perceived bias and/or hypothetical actions have affected you one way or another?

Can you rephrase this for me? I don't understand what you're asking.

He wants to know how many hours a day do you have to spend pouring rings of condensed milk powder around your house to ward off the lactose-intolerant rage zombies when they come at night.

[Rob]

White Rage On The Way: White Folk Ain't Gonna Take It No Damn Mo

[BryanM]

How's stealing that paycheck from all the hard-working oil CEO's working for ya, Rob?

Commie.

...there was always another hurdle and that hurdle was always most certainly impossible.

Nowhere was that false narrative louder than the criticism of his bold agenda as pie in the sky, rainbows and unicorns, or free ponies for everyone. Guaranteeing health care for all, raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour and providing tuition-free college were, at best, empty promises with no hope of success and, at worst, they were deliberate flim-flam. They were, after all, “impossible.”

Recent polling now shows escalating support for a Medicare for all health-care system. Raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour is now the position of the Democratic Party. Target has announced it is moving toward a $15 minimum wage for all its workers by 2020. And tuition-free college is advancing in a number of states, including a new two-year community college program in Rhode Island. All impossible! All happening.

Lazy leftist hippies never accomplish anything.

Just ignore the millions of dollars poured in by them to make all this shit possible.

Everyone with eyes and ears knows all of this is going on. Thus, my contempt for those who pretend to be dumb.

[Rob]

How's stealing that paycheck from all the hard-working oil CEO's working for ya, Rob?

Feels good to be half as rich as a Latinx family.

[Mischief Maker]

Feels good to be half as rich as a Latinx family.

And it doesn't occur to you that you're being subjected to a divide-and-conquer strategy against your natural economic class allies?

You think Rebekah Mercer would even make eye contact with you out of White solidarity?

[BryanM]

Talking about hard-fought battles by hippies to do "the impossible", it was a huge battle within Communist Alaska to create that dividend fund. The only place on earth you get free money for just being alive. And that was just forty years ago.

Public schools, end of child labor, social security etc, those things were straight out of Karl Marx's communist manifesto. They were established not terribly long ago, as well.

A long time maybe for a person. Less than a blink of the eye in human history.

"The left doesn't get galvanized." It just keeps making gains, somehow, magically, despite the massive pressure from the top to keep it from doing so.

[BulletMagnet]

"The left doesn't get galvanized." It just keeps making gains, somehow, magically, despite the massive pressure from the top to keep it from doing so.

I can never tell what exactly your outlook for the future is; you jump from "we're all just mindless, exploitable cattle" to "the march of progress cannot be stopped" and back again in the blink of an eye.

In any event, get back to me on that when half the country hasn't been led to believe that the Clean Air Act is a bigger threat to the nation's well-being than corporate moguls and/or lackeys proudly and openly strangling every government agency to death.