Prelude to the Apocalypse

[jonny5]

I am honestly sick just reading the last couple pages of this thread.

I'm sorry my words made you sick, but I'm more concerned about things like the Tennessee church shooting the other day, where a mother of 4 was shot to death because we needed a Sudanese immigrant to come here and be a security guard (as no one else already here could possibly fill that job).

That's what you call a bad apple. If he were white Christian, would you feel the same? Granted there are extremists in all religions, including Christianity, but that doesnt mean you have to paint a huge population, who are mostly peaceful people not looking to trouble anyone, with the same terrorist brush.

I also question the mindset you have on stuff like this. An American woman is killed by an immigrant, it is terrible to be sure. Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of civilians have died in the middle east due to the military actions of your government, so do you really wonder why extremism is on the rise there and they are coming after America? These are people who really didnt care one wit for America, just living their lives, and boom, a rocket is dropped on their village and they lose their entire family. All of a sudden, America isn't just a place, it showed up on their doorstep and killed their families over actions taken by people who have nothing to do with them. I am not condoning terrorist actions of any kind, but when you look at things from their side of things, it isn't hard to see how a moderate peaceful person might become radicalized in this situation, or how easily America is seen as the bad guy. Americans seem to forget that their foreign policy and actions abroad in these people's countries are costing peoples lives, their homes, everything. The losses on their end of things are astronomically higher than anything on your side. And yet you still claim the moral high ground? The way your government and media are vilifying all Muslims, including American citizens, you think that doesn't affect them? Someone who came to America looking for a new life, the American dream, only now they are told, you arent one of us, you never will be, you're a terrorist by default. America, land of the free...well, if you look like me and worship my god, otherwise GTFO. Can you imagine what that must feel like?

Again, I am not condoning terrorism of any kind, but at the same time I can see how these things come about. I also dont really see much of a distinction to terrorists flying planes into your buildings and your military bombing the shit out of their countries, killing countless civilians in the process. All so you can get a few bad apples. It seems rather excessive, and to a certain degree, the rise in terrorism is not a surprising result at all. It's like America thinks they can show up, kill countless citizens and those same people will just accept it, like 'we deserved this, people who share our skin color, homeland and religion did stuff, so now we must pay with our lives'.

I think both sides are wrong here, but America really needs to take a step back and realize your actions and words have helped bring this down upon your people.

I dont claim to have any answers on how to solve this, but both sides playing tit for tat retaliation is getting nobody anywhere except dead, and now lashing out at your own citizens over their religion does not bode well for the future.

[jonny5]

Give your heads a shake, man! Your country is coming apart at the seams just fine without blaming Muslims. Maybe start deporting your cops if you want to feel safe? But hey, if you're white, status quo is ok too, right?

So more Muslim immigrants - deport the police and is it fair to read that ending as a quick "fuck whitey" or do I misunderstand? What could possibly go wrong?

I recognize your posting, but not your name. Did you have a different user name or account before??

Either way, you are missing my point. Muslim immigration isnt really your main problem, it's more how you are dealing with it. Flinging hate speech and painting all Muslims terrorists is not helping things either. My police comment was pointing out that your police force is actually killing your citizens in alarming numbers, mostly minorities. This huge uproar when a terrorist action happens, meanwhile your cops are killing unarmed citizens, and getting away with it. Major systemic racism is at play within your country, and mine to a lesser degree, and it is coming to a head. People know this is wrong, and the people who support it are the minority now. The extreme divisiveness being espoused by your president, us vs them mentality is not helping things. My comment about white people had more to do with white privilege than anything. By that I mean, the systemic racism is not so much of an issue..if you're white. You arent getting shot at a traffic stop, you arent being stopped and harrassed for being black, so the status quo is fine for you. White, black, Muslim, Christian, were all just people. If you can so easily look the other way and ignore injustices happening to your neighbour, your fellow citizen, what kind of person are you? What kind of country is that? So quick to attack your fellow man because they follow a different religion or have a different skin color over the actions of a completely unrelated group of people? That doesnt sound like the land of the free to me. That sounds an awful lot like what the terrorists are doing to you.

I honestly fear what the future holds if things continue as they are.

[Necronopticous]

What the actual fuck?!?

I step out for a while and come back to see people openly spouting xenophobic white supremacist sentiment on shmups forum?

Took the words out of my mouth. Sad times.

[Zen]

I recognize your posting, but not your name. Did you have a different user name or account before??

Joined in 2011, first post in 2015 and have not posted here under any other username or account and with that said, I'm glad to meet you, jonny5.
Your post seems on the level, so I will take it at face value and respond accordingly.

Either way, you are missing my point. Muslim immigration isnt really your main problem, it's more how you are dealing with it. Flinging hate speech and painting all Muslims terrorists is not helping things either.

Any person who comes to my country legally (and in manageable numbers) and harmonises with my race and culture, I would deal with in a civil and respectful manner. I fling hate speech a no one.

My police comment was pointing out that your police force is actually killing your citizens in alarming numbers, mostly minorities. This huge uproar when a terrorist action happens, meanwhile your cops are killing unarmed citizens, and getting away with it. Major systemic racism is at play within your country, and mine to a lesser degree, and it is coming to a head. People know this is wrong, and the people who support it are the minority now.

Numbers of civilians killed by police is a topic unto itself. Re. police related deaths and minorities, perhaps walking a mile in a police officers shoes rather than from BLM type perspective would be educational. It takes two to tango, as they say.

The extreme divisiveness being espoused by your president, us vs them mentality is not helping things. My comment about white people had more to do with white privilege than anything. By that I mean, the systemic racism is not so much of an issue..if you're white. You arent getting shot at a traffic stop, you arent being stopped and harrassed for being black, so the status quo is fine for you.

I am an Irishman residing in and a citizen of, Ireland. He is not my president. "white privilege" in the context you place it, is a myth. Comply with the officer, like an intelligent, civilised human being and you will be fine. Any preconceptions/profiling the officer brings to the table is unfortunate but as I have already pointed out, it takes two to tango. Preconceptions and profiling do not emanate from a vacuum.

White, black, Muslim, Christian, were all just people.

Agreed.

If you can so easily look the other way and ignore injustices happening to your neighbour, your fellow citizen, what kind of person are you? What kind of country is that? So quick to attack your fellow man because they follow a different religion or have a different skin color over the actions of a completely unrelated group of people? That doesnt sound like the land of the free to me.

? I am guilty of none of this as far as I am aware.

I honestly fear what the future holds if things continue as they are.

As do I.


Apologies for the lengthy reply but forgoing exhaustive clarification can result in accusations of Hitlerian proportions round these parts.

[Xyga]

[Rob]

These racist xenophobes don't seem to realize they are the minority, and the rest of your country is embarrassed for and by you.

A Trump presidency should tell you what the majority of white Americans (you know, the founding stock of this country ) want: a secure border and immigration under control.

Maybe start deporting your cops if you want to feel safe?

You've lost it. Stop watching The Young Turks.

[Rob]

is it fair to read that ending as a quick "fuck whitey" or do I misunderstand?

Zen, you don't understand, we need to be white allies in our own dispossession. Whenever a hostile invader makes a demand, we need to ask what else we can do.

[jonny5]

Sorry Zen, I assumed you were American, so my 'you's' were mostly directed at America at large or the reader, not you specifically - I was responding to your post, but not everything was necessarily directed at you personally. Your posting style reminded me of an old user who's name escapes me at the moment. I haven't been very active here at all since about 2014, which would explain why I don't know you.

Putting aside BLM, we have them up here as well, and I disagree with some of their tactics but agree with the things they are fighting to eliminate. This 'it takes 2 to tango' doesnt really hold up. Cop pulls over black dude and shoots him, not much of a dance. Bunch of cops tackle a black dude and choke him to death, again, rather one sided no? If white folks were getting killed by cops over nothing too, maybe you might be onto something, but is your claim really that only black people disrespect cops, if a cop kills a black person, they must have asked for it? Look at the outrage over that white woman who the cops shot and killed in Minneapolis not long ago. Do you think that would have played out the same in the media if it was a black woman? Systemic racism is real, no questions. It needs to be dealt with. If my neighbor isn't safe, none of us are safe. This isnt us vs them, black or white, this is people, living their lives. Color of skin, religion, these things dont really matter, were all people and we should respect each other, even if we dont necessarily agree all the time.

[BryanM]

Strange lady suggesting we should take care of one another.

That's not how you make the human species go extinct! Madness.

Now figure out which IST owns everything listed above and you have your answer to everything.

I think the label you're groping to glom onto is "capitalist". Israel is just another client state that pays its bribes. Such as Saudi Arabia.

Last time I checked, our wahhabist friends aren't exactly "zionists".

Mr.Burns has done a good conditioning program on us cattle to associate things that aren't capitalism with the word. Like markets, competition, 'merica, and so on.

[jonny5]

These racist xenophobes don't seem to realize they are the minority, and the rest of your country is embarrassed for and by you.

A Trump presidency should tell you what the majority of white Americans (you know, the founding stock of this country ) wants: a secure border and immigration under control.

Maybe start deporting your cops if you want to feel safe?

You've lost it. Stop watching The Young Turks.

You mean the guy who lost the popular vote by 3 million votes(like 5x the population of your entire state), that guy? The guy your enemy Russia helped get elected, making the US look silly to the rest of the world, and yet you still think he was duly elected? The same guy with a sub 40% approval rating a year into his term, who is very likely about to be impeached? Can't pass a god damn thing in your senate, can't even screw your entire population off of healthcare? Ya, Rob, tie your horse to that cart and see what cliff you end up driving off. Hows that border wall 'Mexico is paying for' going? Even his own party doesn't want to work with him. The majority of white Americans? Come on, man. Don't you live in the middle of fucking nowhere Alaska? You have 500 miles of Canada between you and the rest of the country. And you feel you have your ear to the pulse of the nation up there with your 70% white population? That huge 1% US Muslim population stomping around and muddying up your white utopia?

I have to say Rob, you always seemed like a cool dude back in the day, but the stuff you are spouting in this thread is blowing my mind. I am still in shock that people are openly saying shit like this here, and the mods are apparently like 'cool, white supremacy, wouldn't want to stifle people's right to spread hate.' So you are cool with being a racist, or do you deny the things you are saying are racist? I dont want to hear the words 'not concerned with being politically correct' here. This is not about politics, and you cant hide behind national pride to front your racist views

And you still have not answered my question - have you actually met a Muslim person in real life?

I explained my deport your cops comment if you see my last post.

[Mischief Maker]

Life is rapidly overtaking satire.

This was one of those silly parodies of Hillary's "What Happened?" book that were going around a few weeks ago:



Well Roy Moore just used that very silly strategy to win the republican primary in Alabama last night.

[BulletMagnet]

Um, let's see - Muslim-majority nations and the damage their colonizers do in every western country they infest. And we have past/ongoing examples of unsuccessful integration.

"Colonizers"? Seriously, Rob? A middlingly critical observer might label such a statement, especially coming from someone so eager to defend if not glorify the savagely brutal means by which "his" culture came to prominence, projection of the highest order.

By the by, since you seem fully content to pretend it never happened, tell me, honestly, did you even read that UN document from a few posts back past the headline before you linked it?

For whatever it's worth, I'm doing my damndest not to dismiss you or your viewpoint completely out of hand, even as you've managed to attract at least one avowed anti-Semite to wallow around in it; frankly, though, the more I see of your responses here, the more they seem to boil down to either 1) Repeats of previous vague condemnations of disfavored groups which you ignore requests to clarify and/or back up, or 2) The umpteenth Random YouTube Clip of Brown Person Doing Something Scary. In short, despite your repeated insistence that you only cross paths with Trump on this particular issue, you seem to be more and more fully embracing his outlook when it comes to any and all matters of import, namely that the point is not to actually attempt to solve any of them, but rather to extract as many lulz as possible from those who wish you would.

[Bananamatic]

The guy your enemy Russia helped get elected, making the US look silly to the rest of the world, and yet you still think he was duly elected?

USA was pretty silly in the first place
with all the retarded shit going on both the left and the right you deserve nothing but trump

"Colonizers"? Seriously, Rob? A middlingly critical observer might label such a statement, especially coming from someone so eager to defend if not glorify the savagely brutal means by which "his" culture came to prominence, projection of the highest order.

it's almost as if europe could look at what happened to native americans when they welcomed their "immigrants" and learn from it

[jonny5]

I live in Toronto, born and raised surrounded by every race, creed and culture imaginable. We have the largest Muslim population in North America, 7.7% of the population identify as Muslim. That's almost 500,000 people, roughly 2/3's of the entire population of Alaska.

Muslims are not the problem.

[Mischief Maker]

"Colonizers"? Seriously, Rob? A middlingly critical observer might label such a statement, especially coming from someone so eager to defend if not glorify the savagely brutal means by which "his" culture came to prominence, projection of the highest order.

it's almost as if europe could look at what happened to native americans when they welcomed their "immigrants" and learn from it

Actually that's not a bad scenario to consider!

Smallpox and other European diseases were the #1 factor in the Native American genocide. 90% population wipeout! Settlers with guns were just mopping up. So clearly if we want to prevent a similar situation happening to us, we need to make disease prevention and control one of our #1 governmental concerns. Especially with the Bubonic Plague creeping into Arizona and New Mexico. Hmm... What to do? What to do?

I've got it! Medicare-for-all universal healthcare!

[Specineff]

I step out for a while and come back to see people openly spouting xenophobic white supremacist sentiment on shmups forum?

Careful, dude. That's political correctness meant to drown the voice of the TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOTS(TM). Don't you see it's all about the foreigners just waiting to tek er jerbs and kill us all with guns as the actions of just one of them indubitably prove? Good thing that never happens with TRUE AMERICANS who get an American education in Americanian and pray to GodJesus.

[BryanM]

Don't you live in the middle of fucking nowhere Alaska?

WAIT WAIT WAIT

ARE YOU FUCKING TELLING ME THAT ROB LIVES IN COMMUNIST ALASKA?!?!!?!?!?!?!

Holy fucking shit. That's the only place on earth they give you free money in your pocket just for being a citizen.

What a commie, he should move someplace with more capitalism

Like Mexico.

Life is rapidly overtaking satire.

Post parody-reality.

We've all had a good laugh at how the democrats literally had a computer run their campaign.

I especially liked the theory that the computer simulation we're living in is Roko's Basilisk. Great stuff.

So clearly if we want to prevent a similar situation happening to us, we need to make disease prevention and control one of our #1 governmental concerns. Especially with the Bubonic Plague creeping into Arizona and New Mexico.

I personally don't want to die to the chlamydia epidemic : (

and the mods are apparently like 'cool, white supremacy, wouldn't want to stifle people's right to spread hate.'

These guys are excited as they know they're fading out, their works turned to ash, every culture war lost as by its nature a war against time itself cannot be won.

Personally when I see a turd on the sidewalk, I walk past it instead of wallowing in it. When you touch the poop, the poop touches you. If this is the only thing we ever talk about, then this becomes what politics is about. And nobody wants to jump into a miserable pit of shit and piss.

Everyone, please, I'm begging you, stop giving this guy your attention. There's hundreds of millions other assholes on this planet, and there are also pleasant things like sunshine and flowers. It doesn't always have to be about the poop and their penis obsession and genocide 24/7.



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[Mischief Maker]

I personally don't want to die to the chlamydia epidemic : (

Son, it's time you learned about the miracle cure called "Abstinence."

[jonny5]

Don't ever change BryanM!! As dismayed as I was to see this kind of drivel posted here when I came back recently, I was quite pleased to see you and BIL and all the old faces still kicking it around these parts. People like you are why I hung around here for so long.

Is Ed still around? We generally never saw eye to eye, but I always enjoyed our exchanges, endless links aside, haha.

Oh, another fun Toronto fact I just learned. Half of our population was born outside Canada. That's over 3 million people. I knew it was pretty high, but even I was surprised by that one.

There's no reason different cultures can't coexist peacefully, you just have to accept your differences and live your lives. Focusing on the differences rather than simply embracing life is a severe misstep, and leads to pain and misery for all involved. Live and let live, you'll live a much happier life that way.

[Rob]

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[Rob]

Look at the outrage over that white woman who the cops shot and killed in Minneapolis not long ago. Do you think that would have played out the same in the media if it was a black woman?

Your impression of how the media handles black and white crime in America is not correct. The media very clearly has made a huge deal about every black criminal who has died while wrestling with police officers. However, I'm not dumb or blindly pro-cop - an occasional event will strike me as highly suspect, like what happened to Philando Castile. As for the case you mentioned, a white woman was reporting a crime and received a blasting away by a Somali diversity hire. That's a clear-cut case of a major screw-up, but no one expressed their "outrage" by destroying the city.

“He is extremely nervous … he is a little jumpy … he doesn’t really respect women, the least thing you say to him can set him off,” Mr Miller said.

“When they say a policeman shot an Australian lady I thought uh, oh but then when they said who it was I was like, ‘OK.’”

‘Kill all white people’: Suspect in killings of five white men made threat in 2014
CNN, MSNBC, New York Times Totally Ignore Kansas ‘Kill All White People’ Murder Suspect

Now try the 'what if' role reversal thing again.

Systemic racism is real, no questions. It needs to be dealt with.

Systemic racism is making the Asian scores too high and the black and Latino scores too low. Yeah, we do get to question this expensive, toxic, false narrative.

[Rob]

I am not condoning terrorist actions of any kind, but when you look at things from their side of things,

It's fascinating that you can put yourself in a terrorist's shoes, but you can't put yourself in my shoes. Or anyone who just wants a more sensible immigration policy. Think about that for a second. There is nothing extreme about saying "no, you can't come in". If there is ever a time to let in millions of Muslims, it isn't a time when American military aggression has made many of these people as resentful as they have every right to be. A cautious people would shelve that idea for 50-100 years and revisit, but there is a very bizarre lack of caution involved in this process.

And you still have not answered my question - have you actually met a Muslim person in real life?

NAXALT. I never said all Muslims are terrorists or bad people. Averages matter. Even slight variations in averages can reshape a country when multiplied by millions.

[Nifty]

This is precisely why white identity politics is here to stay. Normal people want a safe and secure future for their children.

All this empty posturing might carry more weight if you didn't pointedly and repeatedly refuse to describe which particular micro-subset of white American culture you're professing to speak as a part of, particularly as you keep distancing yourself from any other majority white interest group that gets brought up. Everything about the way you've been posting serves the impression of somebody who's only recently decided to notice that there's actually some sort of social upheavel going on which might not end up falling mostly in their favour, has realised how late they are to the party and are now looking for whichever lifelines they can grab while still keeping any sort of commitment to a minimum. It's very difficult to believe someone might have any actual agency to lose when they've only flipped their lid and started claiming they're standing for things like national identity and personal security because it suddenly became convenient.

[Rob]

Maybe tone down the cleverness a bit, get clean or whatever the issue is and try again - about 90% inscrutable.

[jonny5]

Don't you live in the middle of fucking nowhere Alaska?

No, unfortunately. I live in the middle of somewhere Alaska, where we have the mega-mosque and everything you'd expect in a 'diverse' American city. Yes, Africans and Arabs in the sub-arctic! I don't understand it either. We have world-class hiking a few miles away and they prefer shooting and stabbing each other in their little urban recreations of their homelands.

Holy fucking shit. That's the only place on earth they give you free money in your pocket just for being a citizen.

Not letting corporations rape the land and run away with every bag of gold was a brilliant idea by Jay Hammond, but we've discovered a funny thing: giving away free money to anyone and their 10 children attracts all types. Basically, it's not quite as wonderful as it sounds.

These guys are excited as they know they're fading out, their works turned to ash,

This is precisely why white identity politics is here to stay. Normal people want a safe and secure future for their children.

Rob, apparently there are about 5000 Muslims in all of Alaska, out of your 700,000 some odd state population. I'm not even going to get into what a tiny percentage that is. We have almost as many Muslim people in my city(!) as you have white people in your entire state, why are we not crumbling under the strain of those Muslim interlopers? Half our population in Toronto was not born in Canada, and yet our crime rates are much lower than US cities, even ones much smaller than us. Why is that?

Am I to gather you take issue with all non-whites now, not just Muslims?

Also, Dylan Roof. Would his actions mean you should get rid of all the southern confederate types? I mean, look what he did - showed up at a church and gunned down 8 peaceful church goers during their prayer session no less. Or was this a case of them asking for it because they were black? Let me guess, just a bad apple? Not indicative of white peoples as a group? Or perhaps in your eyes he was just a patriot helping clean up his country? You were quite upset at that immigrant killing one person in Alabama, or was this just bad because it was a non-white killing a white person?

I feel bad for you Rob, your views will make for a terrible existence for yourself. Hate just breeds more hate.

And I can see things from your side too. You found a club you could join, something larger than your self to be a part of, with an incredibly low bar of entry - be white. By embracing this ideology you can feel you are above your peers without having done anything or accomplished anything yourself - they're not white, you are. Cut and dry. Viewing life through such polarized lenses, black or white, is no way to live. It's easier to paint entire populations and religions with the same brush than it is to address the actual issues at play.

Are you more American than say a 5th generation black American? Or is the answer yes, because you brought them here?

[BryanM]

California just moved its presidential primary date to early March.

This is the democrats doing some "clever" transparent rigging. The whole point of having smaller states like Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina go first is to give non-corporate puppets a chance in the race. This move is intending to squash a Bernie Sanders from ever being able to go as far again.

It would indeed be monstrously beneficial to Joe Biden when he runs, yes of course. But if this isn't Roko's Basilisk and a miracle happens where Joe doesn't run for the thing he's always wanted to win, it's a move to unite the machine behind Kamala Harris. Which, much like the republicans trying to be clever and rig their primary against insurgent Herman Cain types and such, would probably just hand the election over early to Sanders if he's alive to run.

Is Ed still around? We generally never saw eye to eye, but I always enjoyed our exchanges, endless links aside, haha.

Not right now, the election broke a part of his soul. Last thing he did was yell at me, suggest repeatedly we give the OP of this political revolution thread to some other sperglord besides myself, and then disappeared. I'm sure he'll be back for 2019 at the very latest.

[jonny5]

Ya, I saw he hasn't been here since March. Time flies

[Nifty]

too hard

It's the exact same thing everyone else has been trying to squeeze out of you: If not the alt-right or similar white interest groups that are actually prominent at the moment, who or what are you even on board with? Whose culture are you actually aiming to preserve? It must be awfully small already if you're not including most of the current white demographics (supremacists, hard nut Republicans, most young people & leftists, etc.) and almost none of anything else. A very small sum of people to claim to sit America's core national identity on.

Then, possibly, are you even getting involved in any kind of activism with this group that exists and you are definitely a part of? Any kind of personal involvement more than pissing into the wind about the unpossibility of cultural integration? Those normal growing families you mentioned are going to need all the help they can get, after all. The only usefulness you've displayed toward them so far is how to teach their kids to protect themselves by quoting bar chart numbers.

Personal beliefs aside, I've seen nothing to suggest you actually stand to lose anything more than immediate comfort, or that you'd be willing to sacrifice anything to defend your ideals, aside from respect and possibly tax dollars. If they're beliefs shared by a wider public, it shouldn't be so arduous for you to point out who they are.

[Mischief Maker]

As for test scores, I've never taken an IQ test myself but I have taken the LSAT, which is designed to be one of those knowledge-independent tests of actual cognitive ability. It consists of three parts: Logical reasoning scenarios, reading comprehension, and complex logic puzzles.

The first time I took it dry and got a respectable score, but I wanted to do better to get into the best law school. So I spent a significant chunk of six months using the Kaplan LSAT 180 book which explained in great detail the usual forms of the logic puzzles and several techniques to sort the information quickly and efficiently. Six months later I took the LSAT again and my score jumped up five percentage points!

Did my brain grow 5% larger? Did my DNA rewrite itself? No. I had the wealth and the free time to devote to commercial test-prep. Just like a person is slow and clumsy with Sudoku the first time, the more practice you get and the more techniques you learn, the faster and better the results. There are high school dropouts in prison who are monsters at chess because they've got nothing but free time to devote to learning the game. You'd think people on a shmups enthusiast forum would understand this concept intuitively.

So how can we square the discrepancy between jonny5's experience with Muslims in Toronto and your experience with Muslims (in person? just televised?) in Mountain View, Anchorage? Is there a variable other than culture? Is there an economic discrepancy between these two areas?

[Durandal]

I am not sure by what metric you could even gauge the impact of Muslim immigration in your immediate area, besides reading the news or counting the amount of funny-looking brown people on the streets. I'd expected some anecdotal evidence at the very least for why you consider it a problem, but without it I'm inclined to believe you let your worldview get shaped by third parties as if through some kind of brainwashing.