Xyga wrote:
They're the ones who crossed the line in these recent years by enough miles to say it's time again to fight back and seriously so. The nazi started from scratch after all, why wait? I admire your confidence that it won't happen again. Democracy, freedom don't automatically magically freeze the wave before it crashes on us and all is lost and fucking millions of people die. Either we choose our camp and fight or we accept to get buttfucked by nazis, commies, and religious fanatics, then all people like ethnic~religious minorities, sexual, political and economic hop on the trains to camps! yeppee!
Really there's no talking this out with these people, you may think they're just harmless idiots, I don't. The level of insult they represent is already doing tons of damage, that trumputin campaign gave them an immense boost everywhere and not just in America and Europe, the internet's flooded with their mad rhetoric and it spreads, keeps spreading and will likely continue to do so if we don't do shit.
I'm especially disgusted to go to my favourite place on the interwebs and see they're fucking here, teenage-brained manchildren would-be aryan christian terminator-intellectuals, holding youtube science truth, crybabies unable to deal with society, humanity and its many differences and challenges, they measure skulls, vomit their hypocrite troll shit and conspiracy lies, the civil language doesn't hide that they're lashing out raging on everything their tiny brains are frustrated with and wishing people they deem inferior beings will suffer, and it's fun to torment them, for the psychos they are.
The most immense joke is that they invoke freedom all the time. Yeah, the same freedom ISIS, commies or any kind of promoters of criminal authoritarian regimes claim the loudest.
And then, well, it's a beautiful day and you're here loging-in in a good mood, devising games and machines whatever, and bam they're also here posting, and you know minutes ago X or Y guy was posting racist and bat shit stuff over here in this thread that's impossible to miss and ignore, or other threads in the past that have been in the same vein. You thought you were in good company but it's like don't worry, be nazi is playing in the background whevener you visit, and it's louder every time.
I keep telling you it ain't gonna happen. The circumstances in the modern USA aren't nowhere near post-WW1 Germany circumstances, and your experiences on the internet are clouding your idea of how many 'average people' there are and what they think of this all.
Most of these white supremacist protesters are guys around their twenties brainwashed by the internet and incapable of large-scale organization due to the concept of a leader being antithetical to anonymous imageboard culture. Not as if anyone who gets appointed leader either gets brutally humiliated or called a CIA plant. Many of them don't have any political experience, let alone with reality. Within years they will be crushed beneath the capitalist machine and reformed into a cynical slob and the years of sieg heiling ironically will be remembered as a phase. Just how many of the current sellout Democrats and Republicans do you suppose weren't idealistic hippies years ago? Until then we'll get mob warfare between the alt-right and antifa at most, are we forgetting that there already exists a wide counter-movement to the alt-right already?
Fucking hell, and so many of them are US and Brits, what a fucking joke, my grandparents all fought the nazis along with their troops, the main countries that liberated mine, practically all the jews I've met had family dying in the camps, practically all arab muslims here have become introverted in fear and anger not trusting anyone not arab because all the shit that's happened and the looks they're given, some begin to learn arabian even though their families have been there for several generations, french communities especially video-gaming ones are hyper-flooded with alt-right toxic shit, our politics have been contaminated with the same crass topics and rhetoric that've been polluting the US, people in real life can barely talk about anything without getting in an argument, and shit and so on ever dividing our society and peace...so lol NO, I have no tolerance, no pardon, and I don't talk normally to nazi and kkk apologists, racist theorists, holocaust deniers, jew conspiracy tinfoil gurus, all-muslims=terrorists warmongers, lgbt-bashers, or whatever hypocrites leaning towards their ideas and finding excuses for them refusing to call a spade a spade.
So yeah, denying them the 'freedom' to push the same ideas as the nazis is definitely the right thing to do. Germany forbids them to carry any nazi signs and flags, chant nazi slogans and rally at what they consider nazi memorial sites, that's the least we can do. Spreading racial hate is forbidden in most of Europe, it's a crime, and that's good, we protect people from such nasty shit so it doesn't come back and make Europe a living hell again, that's freedom!
I totally agree we have way more important struggles where to put our energy into, but that wave of nazi-and-alike resurgence creeping on us by every unprotected/unattended crevice and hole is definitely no trivial matter, if anything just the fact that they're (willingly so) being used by foreign powers to destabilize many societies and governements is a huge concern.
Christ, don't you know the ancient saying "
Resistance only makes my penis harder"? Let me put it as simply as possible:
the main catalyst behind the resurgence of white supremacism, neo-nazism, and the alt-right is a collective fear of oppression.
A fear of not being able to speak your mind. A fear of being persecuted for being a white male. A fear of having to live amongst radical muslims as an infidel. A fear of being persecuted for having the 'wrong' ideas. A fear for the complete subversion of your identity and culture.
When you go on the internet every day, read news articles of how some conservative student got stonewalled on a largely liberal campus for having conservative opinions, how Western Europe largely ignores crime by immigrants while treating them favorably, how radical islamist terrorist attacks are gripping the world, how the Democrat Party prioritizes identity politics over the people, how the mainstream media has an overwhelming liberal bias and a bias against Trump, how large service providers such as Facebook and Google are cracking down on 'nazis', how free speech has to make place for considering people's sensibilities, you get the worldview that liberals are allowing the degeneration of free speech to happen and the unfair persecution of whites. Whether you believe that's true or not, that's what drives people to defend even nazis.
But to play in their hands, to confirm their fears and beliefs by telling them they are not welcome and/or having them exiled,
is the dumbest course of action imaginable. Do you suppose that after you tell a supposed 'nazi' to get lost he simply disappears from existence? Of course not. In these days people feel more inclined to speak their mind about recent affairs, but when they find themselves censored in many places across the internet for supposedly having the wrong opinion, they don't leave the internet. They find other places which do pride themselves on their freedom of speech amongst many others who suffered the same treatment -- and actual nazis themselves. Some Joe wants to talk about video games without being bothered by moderators for bad behaviour, and finds that the only places he can do so are populated with tons of friendly people from /pol/ who are glad to share their infographics on why black man is untermensch and why gassing all Jews is the most logical decision. All the undesirables, extreme or non-extreme, end up getting thrown on one big pile, and they
compost.
A few years ago neo-nazism was a joke nobody took seriously. It wasn't until the media considered it a rampant threat that people considered that something worth fighting against might also be worth fighting for. It wasn't until powerholders started actively cracking down on nazism that people felt that power might also be used against them. It wasn't until the media shone a giant spotlight on the influence and threat of anonymous imageboard culture that the anonymous denizens felt emboldened. To deny them a platform is to confirm their beliefs. Some point ago it has moved on beyond edgy provocateurism and ironic nazism to actual neo-nazism after being considered a 'lost cause' for so long.
The best course of action is to not invoke the moral argument or go after the symptoms, but to address the very cause of their fears.
OK, good luck to you.
