Another day, another killing (split from US shootings topic)

[neorichieb1971]

Muslim leaders around the world should have been vocally against this shit by now.

We should be seeing UK muslims beating the shit out of Extremist UK muslims by now.

Teresa May should have stopped talking like a broken record by now.

[BryanM]

how do these people run our country

It's incredibly simple.

Billionaires control the media, therefore the national discussion, therefore the very thoughts we have in our heads. Death by terrorism is a fraction of death by general murder, but they don't try to make us afraid of the run-of-the-mill psycho. If anything, there's a bit of romanticism and cynical profit seeking through true crime novels and tv shows. What South Park referred to as "murder porn".

On that note, it always bothered me that Toby Keith and Alan Jackson made a lot of money from 9/11 (though I guess defense contractors did, too). What'd they do with that money? Did they donate it to the families of the victims, or did they put it into their savings accounts where it continues to accrue interest to this day?

[Skykid]

Russia is a very different kettle of fish, Skykid, for a start you can lose people along the way and have people taken out as part of the course.

What does that mean? Do you mean the government is clandestine and corrupt and practicing covert cold war secret policing? And if that were the case are you suggesting that that makes it more ok for them to be killed by radical muslim extremists than people in other, less corrupt countries? I think you'll need to clarify.

First of all, the Nazis were looking for a short, sharp solution and behaved post-haste in killing great numbers of people that they deemed 'not suitable'. Few times in our collective history have we seen just industrialised murder, Skykid.

Thanks for that educational tidbit, I had no idea what the Nazis were responsible for. Although it was actually genocide at the whim of a madman and wasn't common knowledge to most Nazis, took years and years to enact, and wasn't meant as a solution to anything except ethnic cleansing, which wasn't a genuine problem in the first place. Hence I can't see the correlation you're trying to make between Nazi genocide and trying to find a swift solution to muslim extremist terrorism.

Your 'solutions' miss the entirety of the situation. People, the relations they form, how groups of people work is a complex area. It requires years and direction and focus to have any effect. By banning one thing or another it rarely does anything. When a martyr is killed off or assassinated it becomes a rallying-cry for others to follow. It barely matters then what the individual did or did not do once they reach that martyr'd status. So, in short: if you push quickly, look for easy, quick solutions you will nearly always get it wrong and be suffering the outcome long-term.

Sure, I'd agree. I don't have the answers, and I expect that pushing hard in one direction is likely to have some kind of negative and undesirable effect. But we can dream, right? I'm interested to see what will happen to the US after Trump's done, and whether or not there is any impact on terrorism of this nature. So far his muslim blockade has not had any violent reactionary effect.

Second statement has no meaning, Skykid.

Which?

However, by dividing society, marginalising society, splitting people up into polarised groups you pretty much always end up with the same outcome.

But we were already at that point decades ago.

The only way that I can see to prevent this is to simply not marginalise people in the first place.

I agree. But you must accept that any radical ideology where one is expressing a text that has no basis in reality through extreme violence is tantamount to lunacy. These people are uneducated, simple, and unhinged. I don't give a fuck if they're marginalised or not, that's a recipe for disaster.

I remember a russian Engineer saying to me at work a few years ago : "you either have a strong welfare system or a strong police force". In Russia's case it is closer to a strong police force.
I see the UK moving further towards that.

Sure, although the UKs welfare system is arguably too strong in terms of handouts. That's why we have so many potential terrorist extremists arriving by the boatload for asylum and benefits.

Because, unsurprisingly, the harshness of punishment has a minuscule deterrent effect. It's not like this hasn't been tried many times throughout human history; were it actually effective, crime would have been solved long ago.

Yes, I think that's true. Although in some recorded instances tougher law enforcement has had positive effects on crime. Didn't New York's zero tolerance remit massively reduce crime in the city?

In reality I don't think genuine 'tough enforcement' has ever been practiced in modern society, mainly because we're 'developed' and therefore politically correct and will not be seen as an oppressor. So it's difficult to know what the effect would actually be of a genuine hardline approach, because the liberal red tape won't ever let us get there - which may be for the best, admittedly.

As an aside:

Russia is a very different kettle of fish, Skykid

Few times in our collective history have we seen just industrialised murder, Skykid

Second statement has no meaning, Skykid.

Can I respectfully ask you to not keep on repeating my forum handle during discussion. It's super fucking irritating. I already know you're talking to me because of your quotes, so I'd prefer it if you just said what you have to say without sounding like a school teacher or someone's dad.

[BryanM]

16 dead in Iran from an ISIS affiliated cell.

Our government's diplomatic response to this: ""We grieve and pray for the innocent victims of the terrorist attacks in Iran, and for the Iranian people, who are going through such challenging times. We underscore that states that sponsor terrorism risk falling victim to the evil they promote."

[Sly Cherry Chunks]

Didn't know whether to bump the US Shootings or the My Little Pony thread. Here it is anyway:

Four dead in brony murder suicide

Watch his 45 minute partially animated final video where he loads a couple of shotguns in front of his Mane 6 and Dazzlings posters. PS. I have never seen a single episode of Danny Phantom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky53oWMfyLE

It actually sounds like the fact that no one would help him make his cartoon is what finally drove him to kill. Chilling stuff, I warmly await all the upcoming think-pieces about how we should deport/euthanise all bronies and anyone over the age of 18 who still watches cartoons.

[Bananamatic]

elliot rodger was better tbh

[Sly Cherry Chunks]

I know. Even his animated cartoon was better.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GDiOmviCq3U

[Skykid]

So much angst.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

where he loads a couple of shotguns in front of his Mane 6 and Dazzlings posters.

Did he call them 'shotgruns'?

[mamboFoxtrot]

I did not expect The Legend of Skybro to end up like this
feel free to send me to hell for that one

[Cee]

Thanks for that educational tidbit, I had no idea what the Nazis were responsible for. Although it was actually genocide at the whim of a madman and wasn't common knowledge to most Nazis, took years and years to enact, and wasn't meant as a solution to anything except ethnic cleansing, which wasn't a genuine problem in the first place.

All wrong as expected from fresh off the assembly copy paste guardian tier opinions skyclit, Hitlers goal was repatriation of jews to israel a deal he reached with zionists (see havaara agreement of 1933), in 39 these efforts were blocked by allies for sinister reasons leaving the jews blocked. Hitler was preoccupied with the war effort, look into Albert eichmann for a more responsible for genocide party and maybe try investigating why they were blocked although i wouldn't expect your investigative skills to be up to scratch seeing as you just wank to MUH SOURCE and don't do any real work yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

[Mortificator]

Thanks for that educational tidbit, I had no idea what the Nazis were responsible for. Although it was actually genocide at the whim of a madman and wasn't common knowledge to most Nazis, took years and years to enact, and wasn't meant as a solution to anything except ethnic cleansing, which wasn't a genuine problem in the first place.

All wrong as expected from fresh off the assembly copy paste guardian tier opinions skyclit, Hitlers goal was repatriation of jews to israel a deal he reached with zionists (see havaara agreement of 1933), in 39 these efforts were blocked by allies for sinister reasons leaving the jews blocked. Hitler was preoccupied with the war effort, look into Albert eichmann for a more responsible for genocide party and maybe try investigating why they were blocked although i wouldn't expect your investigative skills to be up to scratch seeing as you just wank to MUH SOURCE and don't do any real work yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

Aw, the fangs come out when someone disparages Adolf fucking Hitler! Easy there, Eva.

[trap15]

lol, did he even read the page he linked? Sure doesn't seem like it, given it explicitly says several times Hitler was not even involved in that agreement and was against it for many years.

[EmperorIng]

Hitler wuz a good boy he dindu nuffin

[Skykid]

Thanks for that educational tidbit, I had no idea what the Nazis were responsible for. Although it was actually genocide at the whim of a madman and wasn't common knowledge to most Nazis, took years and years to enact, and wasn't meant as a solution to anything except ethnic cleansing, which wasn't a genuine problem in the first place.

All wrong as expected from fresh off the assembly copy paste guardian tier opinions skyclit, Hitlers goal was repatriation of jews to israel a deal he reached with zionists (see havaara agreement of 1933), in 39 these efforts were blocked by allies for sinister reasons leaving the jews blocked. Hitler was preoccupied with the war effort, look into Albert eichmann for a more responsible for genocide party and maybe try investigating why they were blocked although i wouldn't expect your investigative skills to be up to scratch seeing as you just wank to MUH SOURCE and don't do any real work yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

So Hitler was a cool dude bro after all. You learn something new everyday.

[MintyTheCat]

lol, did he even read the page he linked? Sure doesn't seem like it, given it explicitly says several times Hitler was not even involved in that agreement and was against it for many years.

Hitler's own support of the Haavara Agreement was unclear and varied throughout the 1930s. Initially, Hitler criticized the agreement, but reversed his opinion and supported it in the period 1937-1939.

How's your reading, Trap?

[MintyTheCat]

So Hitler was a cool dude bro after all. You learn something new everyday.

That chinese air must be affecting you.

[Skykid]

So Hitler was a cool dude bro after all. You learn something new everyday.

That chinese air must be affecting you.

And all that western propaganda must be affecting you.

[ryu]

Four dead in brony murder suicide

That's about Randy Stair? context

The guy was clearly schizo. Said a switch flipped in his brain when a person he knew died, claimed he heard voices and was completely out of touch with reality - complaining about the insanely high cost of $300 he put into his cartoon.

The guy must have had absolutely nobody to talk to for years to have cultivated that strange world view.

[trap15]

lol, did he even read the page he linked? Sure doesn't seem like it, given it explicitly says several times Hitler was not even involved in that agreement and was against it for many years.

Hitler's own support of the Haavara Agreement was unclear and varied throughout the 1930s. Initially, Hitler criticized the agreement, but reversed his opinion and supported it in the period 1937-1939.

How's your reading, Trap?

??? How is yours? Those two sentences literally say what I said.

[BryanM]

The guy must have had absolutely nobody to talk to for years to have cultivated that strange world view.

Elliot "Supreme Gentleman" Rodger certainly was messed up along those lines.

If someone likes hearing how fucked up a person can be, I can write up a small essay on the guy.

[Skykid]

lol, did he even read the page he linked? Sure doesn't seem like it, given it explicitly says several times Hitler was not even involved in that agreement and was against it for many years.

Hitler's own support of the Haavara Agreement was unclear and varied throughout the 1930s. Initially, Hitler criticized the agreement, but reversed his opinion and supported it in the period 1937-1939.

How's your reading, Trap?

??? How is yours? Those two sentences literally say what I said.

[MintyTheCat]

So Hitler was a cool dude bro after all. You learn something new everyday.

That chinese air must be affecting you.

And all that western propaganda must be affecting you.

That's party state control for you, Skykid.
I love how any time any one disagrees with you we are all influenced by propaganda. And yet there you sit in China and its policies.

[MintyTheCat]

lol, did he even read the page he linked? Sure doesn't seem like it, given it explicitly says several times Hitler was not even involved in that agreement and was against it for many years.

Hitler's own support of the Haavara Agreement was unclear and varied throughout the 1930s. Initially, Hitler criticized the agreement, but reversed his opinion and supported it in the period 1937-1939.

How's your reading, Trap?

??? How is yours? Those two sentences literally say what I said.

No they do not. The guy was involved as an individual with state power and influence would be. That he altered his opinion would be implicit in stating he was involved as he had to take a position on it.

Edit : 26th June 2017:

I was a bit overly personal in attacking a member of the forum and feel it best to retract this having had a chat with a mod. No offence was intended.

[MintyTheCat]

I think the crux here is that naming and shaming entire families for the actions of a single member smacks of what took place in the not too distant past.
I think you largely miss the point, Skykid.
You can sit with your big ideas and tell us all how wrong/misinformed we are/etc. but some of your ideas are clearly short-sighted.

It never helps to isolate and ostracise individuals and by doing so you exacerbate the entire situation and prevent things from being concluded.
Imagine if you can if you happened to be related to one of these extremists, perhaps you have no interest in their extreme ideas yourself but suddenly, due to the actions of a relative you are barred from all sorts of situations. Imagine an employer rejecting you as they heard a relative of yours was an extremist or the bank not offering you a loan or the state not allowing you to open up a business. The list goes on.

Capital punishment and shaming families does not work. The idea of enacting law and judgement is that it affects only the sentenced individual; not their family and community. Once you cross that line you are on your way to fascism.

Edit 26th June 2017 : I have removed any personal attacks against one of the members following a chat with a mod. No offence was intended.

[Blinge]

I had minty pegged as a Skykid fanboy but I guess that's not the case anymore.

Tragic end to a forum romance

[Bananamatic]

Just think on the next time you attempt another cheap swipe at the locals. We have seen this time and again with you and your puny need to take a swipe at people. Get yourself a girlfriend or something and all this angst will evaporate for you. There are plenty of nerdy girls to be found at Cosplay events so you may try your luck there.

Try the Anime Expo in LA and pack yourself some Trojans for the journey

https://www.upcomingcons.com/upcomingco ... Anime-Expo
http://www.trojanbrands.com/en/condoms

Let us know when you get lucky

get a cosplay too and go for the after con orgy

[dan76]

I think the crux here is that naming and shaming entire families for the actions of a single member smacks of what took place in the not too distant past.
I think you largely miss the point, Skykid.
You can sit with your big ideas and tell us all how wrong/misinformed we are/etc. but some of your ideas are clearly short-sighted.

It never helps to isolate and ostracise individuals and by doing so you exacerbate the entire situation and prevent things from being concluded.
Imagine if you can if you happened to be related to one of these extremists, perhaps you have no interest in their extreme ideas yourself but suddenly, due to the actions of a relative you are barred from all sorts of situations. Imagine an employer rejecting you as they heard a relative of yours was an extremist or the bank not offering you a loan or the state not allowing you to open up a business. The list goes on.

Capital punishment and shaming families does not work. The idea of enacting law and judgement is that it affects only the sentenced individual; not their family and community. Once you cross that line you are on your way to fascism.

I hardly expect a forum like this to be a place to see much sense but still, if you talk tripe, Skykid eventually some people will feel the need to challenge.
Following your ideas that families should be shamed imagine if you and me were related and people would come up to me on the streets and expect me to answer for your posting on this forum. Hardly worth considering, but if I got lynched over your statements well...

I imagine you sat in your apartment with not much to do but talk bollocks on this forum. Get out, put your energy into something useful. When all is said and done this is only a forum.

Good grief!

[Skykid]

So appalling I don't think it even deserves a retort!

[WelshMegalodon]

And people wonder why this forum has the reputation it has...

get a cosplay too and go for the after con orgy

>implying there are actually girls at cons that will sleep with you
>implying the few that exist aren't fat, ugly, and/or 12-year old weebs in shiny store-bought cosplays