Fudoh's ode to old display technology

[Blair]

Ooof... that SoR pic is nasty(in a good way).

That's like hardcore CRT porn, lol

hmmm, *looks intently at image* well it's just Axel laying down some... pipe... and... biker dude doesn't have a shirt on... oh no, what have I done!?!

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lol

[FinalBaton]

hmmm, *looks intently at image* well it's just Axel laying down some... pipe... and... biker dude doesn't have a shirt on... oh no, what have I done!?!

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lol

lol

the picture quality you're getting on that setup is amazing

[Blair]

lol, the picture quality you're getting on that setup is amazing

Thanks dude! yeah it's a great rig. (i've just about perfected the way everything is setup, just need a better scart switch)

[Xer Xian]

I swear half of the VGA monitors that are now in the hands of retrogamers are LaCie Electron's - I myself have two of them now

However, I didn't find them any better than a cheaper (back then, now they are all cheap) slot mask by LG. I think it's safe to say that any properly working VGA monitor paired with a line-doubler is practically as good as any Sony PVM (if not better), which makes them incredible value today.

[werk91]

I second that, got a ViewSonic 17" Graphics Series PC CRT and even with a cheap ass GBS8200 scaler it looks illegally good. Haven't even tried with a scanline generator because I was happy with the picture quality. Where that setup let me down is the performance of the GBS unit with faster games. I'll get a OSSC for the screen eventually and TATE it I think.

[FinalBaton]

used to have Viewsonic Graphic Series crt monitor too. Loved that thing

[NJRoadfan]

However, I didn't find them any better than a cheaper (back then, now they are all cheap) slot mask by LG. I think it's safe to say that any properly working VGA monitor paired with a line-doubler is practically as good as any Sony PVM (if not better), which makes them incredible value today.

Particularly if they happen to be Sony Trinitron monitors. Other than the 15khz scanning capability and composite/S-video inputs, there is nothing inherently "special" about the PVM/BVM over a dedicated Sony computer monitor. The monitors have a higher quality tube since they are expected to show higher resolution context and were more common. Pair them with an old XRGB scaler, and they look fantastic on consoles.

[Blair]

I agree, originally I was only going to use the LaCie with dreamcast games but after experimenting other with systems I found that it looked fantastic with basically everything. but the same would be true of the NEC and Mitsubishi CRT models based on the same design. the only real downside to these monitors is the size. I wish somebody had made a 27 inch version (perhaps in some alternate universe). I don't think consumer/prosumer VGA crt's ever went much past 22 inches with 17 inch being the most common size I remember. anything bigger then that was likely in the "presentation" monitor space. (and priced out of most normal budgets).

[MKL]

I don't think consumer/prosumer VGA crt's ever went much past 22 inches with 17 inch being the most common size I remember.

And even in America the size of a VGA monitor is given by the tube face not the screen as with TVs, which means that for instance a 24" Sony FW900 has in fact a 22" screen.

[Magicalbottle]

I don't think consumer/prosumer VGA crt's ever went much past 22 inches with 17 inch being the most common size I remember.

And even in America the size of a VGA monitor is given by the tube face not the screen as with TVs, which means that for instance a 24" Sony FW900 has in fact a 22" screen.

MKL - sorry to hijack the thread, since I can't PM you: I'm in search of the pinout for a Neo Geo RGB cable I bought from you a looong time ago (you modded my AES as well). I can't check the cable, because it has been glued in place. Could you please let me know or point me in the right direction?

EDIT: the cable works fine on my CRT, but it does not sync on my PVM 2950 (using sync stripper cable). Does this have to do with my AES 3-6 not having sync output?

[NJRoadfan]

The largest computer CRTs were generally 21in. mostly because of the desk space they took up. Anything larger is Mitsubishi Megaview and NEC XM territory along with projectors (most of the late-90s NEC models like the MT810 were apparently 15khz compatible).

[Blair]

i've been flirting with the idea of getting a projector for gaming (and movies I guess). a crt projector would be awesome but they seem like a bad investment theses days. (not sure if I could maintain one without better electronics skills)

(Kind of a neat shot of the Sony CPD-E400 in the dark, also one of my favorite games)

Sega Genesis 2 system (NTSC/US) RGB Euro Scart to JP-21

[h1ghju1ce]

Damm I wish I could buy this, Wife would disown me

Sony Trinitron GDM-FW900 24 Inch CRT - £100 cash on collection
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sony-Trinitro ... 1438.l2649

Based in Redbridge North-East London

[Lord of Pirates]

i've been flirting with the idea of getting a projector for gaming (and movies I guess). a crt projector would be awesome but they seem like a bad investment theses days. (not sure if I could maintain one without better electronics skills)

(Kind of a neat shot of the Sony CPD-E400 in the dark, also one of my favorite games)

Sega Genesis 2 system (NTSC/US) RGB Euro Scart to JP-21
http://imgur.com/Opgrt3E.jpg

I've been considering it myself but I'd feel compelled to get one of the top end ones and I really don't have the space .

Damm I wish I could buy this, Wife would disown me

Sony Trinitron GDM-FW900 24 Inch CRT - £100 cash on collection
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sony-Trinitro ... 1438.l2649

Based in Redbridge North-East London

If it's genuinely in good shape that's not too shabby. I'm always leery of listings without shots of dark images. You should see if she'll allow it .

[h1ghju1ce]

If it's genuinely in good shape that's not too shabby. I'm always leery of listings without shots of dark images. You should see if she'll allow it .

Why dark images? what potential issues would that expose?

She saw my ebay notification email that had a BVM auction on it "you're not buying more old monitors are you? , we dont have the room for another one, until we get a bigger house one day"
to be fair she has a point, but my finger was hovering over the buy it now button, trying to justify it sitting in the garage for months/years.
and it would be quite the trek round the m25 to pick it up.

[hyrulebr]

...But the Sony BVM doesn´t have the rare X68 card... .... in faith of find a X68 with a reasonable price... (I know both are miracles but I have faith...).

Well, look what the postmen just drop to me a few minutes ago!




Miracles sometimes happen!

Now I will give life to my BVM a24e1wu!

[Einzelherz]

I received my JVC TM-H1950CG today and it was packed well. It was also packed upside down

The screen will not display a signal sent to it (audio comes out of the speaker, pitifully) nor the menu, which was shown as working in the auction. I'm more than a little disappointed.

I know we have a few users on here with these. Has anyone encountered this? I'm not about to start fiddling with anything (nor do I have the time to for the next couple of weeks) so if anyone has any input, I'd be thrilled to hear it.

Thanks in advance.

[Lawfer]

Miracles sometimes happen!

Now I will give life to my BVM a24e1wu!

Congrats, think you could post comparison shots with the HTM-1990R?

yes , was done in 2013 (kit buyed from a french website) the problem is only with the 1990r, the 64 work without problem on other monitor.
and the 1990r is manifactured in 2009 so the capacitors are not really a problem.

I have the same model, manufactured at the end of 2008. I can confirm that I never had any problems with it with the following consoles and outputs:

Wii US Component, no issues
Wii EUR Component and RGB, no issues
GameCube US Component no issues
Playstation 2 US Component and RGB, no issues
Playstation 2 JP RGB, no issues
FM Towns Marty S-Video Upconverted to Component, no issues
PSP Go US Component, no issues
Sega Saturn US RGB, no issues
PS3 US Component, no issues
Original Xbox US Component, no issues

None of these consoles are modded though.

I don't have any other consoles I can test it with unfortunately.

[FinalBaton]

Another shot on the XM37 Plus

(the greens are actually more saturated than that , my stupid phone camera just can't pick up all colours decently at once, lol)

[Lord of Pirates]

If it's genuinely in good shape that's not too shabby. I'm always leery of listings without shots of dark images. You should see if she'll allow it .

Why dark images? what potential issues would that expose?

She saw my ebay notification email that had a BVM auction on it "you're not buying more old monitors are you? , we dont have the room for another one, until we get a bigger house one day"
to be fair she has a point, but my finger was hovering over the buy it now button, trying to justify it sitting in the garage for months/years.
and it would be quite the trek round the m25 to pick it up.

If it's been ran into the ground by having the brightness too high.

At least you know there's hope for potentially getting some in the future since there was an 'until' in there .

[Xer Xian]

I received my JVC TM-H1950CG today and it was packed well. The screen will not display a signal sent to it (audio comes out of the speaker, pitifully) nor the menu, which was shown as working in the auction. Has anyone encountered this?

Hmm that doesn't sound like something that can be attributed to some strange setting/quirkiness of the TM-H series (I do have a smaller TM-H150CG btw). No expert here, but some repair work might be necessary to fix it (this might point in the right direction). Since you bought it as fully working though I'd first contact the seller and ask for a serious discount or even send it back.

Just my 2 cents, I hope it's a trivial issue and someone else chimes in with an easy solution. I'm awaiting the delivery of a JVC DT-V1710CG and I'd hate for it to be a lemon (considering also that it was a private transaction with no third party like eBay or similar involved).

[Einzelherz]

I mentioned the model in case anyone here was well familiar with the circuitry. I've got a 150CG as well so I might use that as a comparison.

I already contacted the seller and am just waiting on a response now. I really don't know where to start investigating though.

[lewolfeur]

Miracles sometimes happen!

Now I will give life to my BVM a24e1wu!

Congrats, think you could post comparison shots with the HTM-1990R?

yes , was done in 2013 (kit buyed from a french website) the problem is only with the 1990r, the 64 work without problem on other monitor.
and the 1990r is manifactured in 2009 so the capacitors are not really a problem.

I have the same model, manufactured at the end of 2008. I can confirm that I never had any problems with it with the following consoles and outputs:

Wii US Component, no issues
Wii EUR Component and RGB, no issues
GameCube US Component no issues
Playstation 2 US Component and RGB, no issues
Playstation 2 JP RGB, no issues
FM Towns Marty S-Video Upconverted to Component, no issues
PSP Go US Component, no issues
Sega Saturn US RGB, no issues
PS3 US Component, no issues
Original Xbox US Component, no issues

None of these consoles are modded though.

I don't have any other consoles I can test it with unfortunately.

tested with zelda, mario 64, but with perfect dark, its ok up to the start menu when the signal do the same as the video. With killer instint there is no problem.
So its seems its the sync signal from the 64 with 240p or 480i

in user manual its say :
Sync stability
Monitor sync keeps stable under the following input
conditions:
Internal sync: ±6dB of rated video input level
External sync: External sync input level 0.3 to 6Vp-p

[nakedarthur]

I mean to post it on here earlier, but I picked up a 1986 Sony KV-25XBR earlier this spring off Craigslist. He was the original owner and had all the documentation, receipts, etc still. The unit is in great condition considering its age, and I was able to make a 34-pin RGB adapter without much trouble. I have one question though I was hoping one of the experts could help me out with. I want to adjust the overscan, so I've been looking in the service manual for the pots. I was able to find H Size, H Center (knob on the back), and V Size, but I can't seem to find any adjustment for vertical centering. Is this called something else, did I miss it, or is it simply not possible to adjust? There's a V HOLD on the back I was playing with, but I pretty much just get rolling or not rolling out of it. The picture is about a half inch too low so I'd like to raise it a bit if possible. The service manual is here by the way if anyone else needs it.

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[FinalBaton]

picture looks great from those pic, NA. I love seeing gamers pick those up and use RGB on 'em.

Nice pickup. There was a 25XBR available near me this winter for $20 but since I already have a big RGB monitor, I shared the listing on here instead

(sadly it got picked up and flipped immediately for $200 )

[bobrocks95]

picture looks great from those pic, NA. I love seeing gamers pick those up and use RGB on 'em.

Nice pickup. There was a 25XBR available near me this winter for $20 but since I already have a big RGB monitor, I shared the listing on here instead

(sadly it got picked up and flipped immediately for $200 )

Good to know scalpers/flippers are trying to ruin an even more niche segment of video games!

[FinalBaton]

Good to know scalpers/flippers are trying to ruin an even more niche segment of video games!

sucks eh?

[Blair]

that XM37 Plus looks fantastic FinalBaton! must be a blast to play 16-bit games on a crt that size.

[hyrulebr]

Have some problem with a french n64 rgb on a ikegami 1990r (work on my jvc dtv, sony bvm or ikegami TM20-80RP) seem a sync issue, but other console like snes and ps1 work without problem.
The scart to bnc is with sync stripper.

https://youtu.be/3nJiga_JZ6Y?t=9s

I also have a 1990R and I can say this monitor is very pick to sync.


I had problem with:

Analogue NT mini nes core (little warping in first lines);
Analogue NT mini gamegear, master system and a few others (all messed up).
PC engine (all messed up)
Master System (rotation screen)
3DO (warping in first lines more than usual)
N64 (little warping in first lines)
Genesis (little warping in first lines)
Dreamcast (Toro box - all messed up)

No sync issues
Snes
Saturn
PS1
PS2
Component @480i or @480p

Please see my posts on page 149 for some pics.

I bought an Extron 580xi looking for help as Rob showed in this video (for BVM A series): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CneMJC-zTf8 But it didn't help.

Did you enables 480p for your monitor?

Actually, they're perfectly capable of taking and displaying 480p if you don't mind opening the monitor up to flick a switch or so(and then adjusting the screen for said resolution).

https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comm ... tm_series/

[Hoagtech]

Another shot on the XM37 Plus

(the greens are actually more saturated than that , my stupid phone camera just can't pick up all colours decently at once, lol)

That looks awesome final baton. versus would be cool on that