RGB Mod vs. 240p over component via transcoder box?

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RGB Mod vs. 240p over component via transcoder box?

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I have a Sony KV-27FS100. Is it worth the effort / risk to attempt to mod it to support RGB, or is the quality of output comparable to using one of those 50 dollar rgb to component transcoder boxes and running 240p over the component inputs?
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Don't use one of those generic $50 boxes. Use the Shinybow SB-2840 or the Fusion Box. They both provide a much better quality conversion. The Shinybow is available new for $75, and I believe that the Fusion box is a similar price.
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Guspaz wrote:Don't use one of those generic $50 boxes. Use the Shinybow SB-2840 or the Fusion Box. They both provide a much better quality conversion. The Shinybow is available new for $75, and I believe that the Fusion box is a similar price.
Specs on the Shinybow SB-2840 indicate output at 480i or 480p over component. This converter isn't taking the 240p input and upscaling it to 480i or 480p is it? Looking for 240p rgb to 240p over component.

Seems like it will output whatever input is used and will work for my purposes. Thanks for the suggestion!
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No, the Shinybow and Fusion box are both pure transcoders. They will output whatever they are fed as input with no delay. That includes 240p, which they both support.

Another option includes the HD Retrovision component cables, which support SNES, Genesis/Megadrive, Saturn (via adapter to the Genesis cable), and Neo-Geo (via adapter to the Genesis cable), with Playstation (via adapter to the Genesis cable) and Dreamcast (as a separate cable) planned in the future.
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No manufacturers i know of actually list 240p on their products. people just have to test them out.

its funny because it would actually be a selling point to some.
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I can second the shinybow path as someone who also has two CSY clones. And another plus for transcoders over an rgb mod is that if the (old ass) tv gives it up, you just buy another and you're up and running again instantly.
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The Audio Authority 9A60 is also a great one, though I haven't tested it with systems that only have c-video for sync. I can only confirm pure c-sync works great.
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The downside there is that, unlike the Shinybow or the Fusion, the Audio Authority is no longer produced and does not directly support SCART.
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What I find interesting is... no one has compared an Rgb modded consumer tv directly to the same consumer tv through something like a shinybow. Maybe it's zero difference, maybe it's a huge difference. I don't think anyone knows for sure.
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tjstogy wrote:What I find interesting is... no one has compared an Rgb modded consumer tv directly to the same consumer tv through something like a shinybow. Maybe it's zero difference, maybe it's a huge difference. I don't think anyone knows for sure.
I've compared a Sega Saturn with RGB vs transcoded component on my PVM, and couldn't tell a difference.
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tjstogy wrote:What I find interesting is... no one has compared an Rgb modded consumer tv directly to the same consumer tv through something like a shinybow. Maybe it's zero difference, maybe it's a huge difference. I don't think anyone knows for sure.
Because it's nearly impossible. I don't know of any CRT that will let you calibrate colors for RGB and Component separately. Regardless of the path you take, you should be calibrating after you decide what your input it.

Now as for the quality of the transcoders, that can affect things. My CSYs crush blacks a little bit, for instance.
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