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Iran War. When.

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Bananamatic wrote:
gameoverDude wrote:As for Muslims, I believe "Thou shalt not kill" and the Golden Rule "Do unto others as you would have done unto you" are universal.
are you saying it's time for another crusade
Nope. Just that those who commit mass murders in God's name are wrong. They're blasphemers. This includes the false Muslims who currently commit said mass murders, and the Crusaders who pillaged, conquered, force-converted civilians, and shed innocent blood in the name of Christ. WWJD? He wouldn't say "let's start the Crusades and rip em a new one".

I think there needs to be some deal brokered for peace to take the wind out of terrorists' sails. Maybe a 50/50 split of the Holy Land, or just coexistence?
trap15 wrote: Because a lot of people assumed he would change after the election. Also Hillary was entirely unlikable and a poor candidate.
And said people turned out to be wrong. Trump bullshitted his way into hearts. He had irrevocably lost me a long time ago with his misogynism, general ugly ego, cockiness, Negative Nancy behavior, etc. Seeing his smug grin on the TV screen is nauseating. Even in light of whatever could be said against Hillary (Benghazi, I know), I voted for her to vote against Trump. Even if she's not that innocent, she's the lesser evil of two. Those damn 3rd party candidates (Libertarian, Green) took votes away from her, I'm sure. I wouldn't mind seeing a 3rd party take the win someday, but I don't feel I can vote for one yet. And if I do, it sure as hell won't be the Green Party.

Obama standing up to Russia was a great thing. That man had true balls, which a President needs. If we would've had a new Cold War out of this from a Hillary win, I'd have been fine with that. I'd rather not have Trump trying to nerf the sanctions.

Religious law sucks. By enforcing the values of one faith it denies tolerance to others. The Johnson Amendment is wonderful. If I go to a religious service, I don't want to listen to political issues or candidate endorsements during the hour. Unprogrammed worship services ala certain Quaker denominations sound appealing. Maybe worship would be better done by gathering in silence that way.

I highly doubt that Trump has a chance in 2020/2021. He's got this 4 years to continue tarnishing his brand, which it seems he will.
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gameoverDude wrote:
Bananamatic wrote:
gameoverDude wrote:As for Muslims, I believe "Thou shalt not kill" and the Golden Rule "Do unto others as you would have done unto you" are universal.
are you saying it's time for another crusade
Nope. Just that those who commit mass murders in God's name are wrong. They're blasphemers. This includes the false Muslims who currently commit said mass murders, and the Crusaders who pillaged, conquered, force-converted civilians, and shed innocent blood in the name of Christ.
Hopefully those religious zealots can be convinced that they are wrong.
I think there needs to be some deal brokered for peace to take the wind out of terrorists' sails. Maybe a 50/50 split of the Holy Land

Isn't working out too well for Israel/Palestine
or just coexistence?
Buddy... there's not much coexistence to be had with neighbors whose first thought on their mind is "death to all infidels, praise Allah"
You can try, but I wouldn't recommend it
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gameoverDude wrote:If we would've had a new Cold War out of this from a Hillary win, I'd have been fine with that.
Oh, trust me, there would be a new war, but it would've been anything but cold.

Don't think for a moment that administration would've hedged their bets against Russia or vice versa.
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Oh, Trump was absolutely right to go all-in on Putin; I mean, look at the all-important RESPECT he's giving him! Same as the RESPECT that everyone else is sending his way, at the highest altitude and velocity possible. :lol: Obviously nobody dares show an appetite for World War III with Trump in town, as he stands firm where it counts; it's obvious that the world stage is already very much aware of just what caliber of foreign policy heavyweight they're dealing with. :lol:

And, of course, the Flynn fiasco was obviously all part of The Plan (as is considering David Fucking Petraeus as his replacement :lol:)...well, assuming it's not a setup. Or a coup. Or The Jews. :lol:

Even after all that, however, the Howl-Worthy Whine of the Day goes to...have I mentioned lately how much I love you pitiful toadies? :lol:

Oh, and before I forget...still waiting, Kellyanne. :lol:
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Flynn did the right thing and resigned. Not to let him off the hook, but at least he didn't waste everyone's time any further.

So when are you going to drop the line of Trump being under the influence of Putin?
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Flynn's resignation unfortunately brings up two unflattering scenarios: either Trump and co. were actually breaking the law intentionally by trying to conduct foreign policy behind Obama's back, or high-ranking members/hand-picked Trump advisers were or are trying to conduct foreign policy behind Trump's back.
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We have a large number of factions continuously "trying to conduct foreign policy" for their own ends, right there in broad daylight. It's not even slightly out of the ordinary.

It should be pointed out that the Logan Act is completely meaningless. It's never enforced, because if it was it would be quite rightly challenged as unconstitutional on first amendment grounds.
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The illusion of opposition to Trump is so OTT it's long past ridiculous. He and the elite are wearing jetpacks flying over every shark that ever lived.
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quash wrote:So when are you going to drop the line of Trump being under the influence of Putin?
This is the same head-up-ass nonsense that fuels "hey, the Civil Rights Act was passed, what are black people still complaining about?" stupidity; sorry, but Don's lips are wrapped WAY too tightly around Vlad's dick for this incident to make it all magically, instantly go away. Oh, while we're here, more RESPECT ahoy! :lol:
We have a large number of factions continuously "trying to conduct foreign policy" for their own ends, right there in broad daylight. It's not even slightly out of the ordinary.
Isn't this precisely the "swamp" that Trump promised to drain, though? If so, why did he hire someone he was specifically warned about on this front? Y'know, just in case the slew of Goldman Sachs goons didn't already tell you why.
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I guess nothing will ever be good enough for you. Trump will always be Putin's puppet to you, even if he ends up not cooperating with Russia on various issues.

Funny thing is, I've been on two ships that have had Russian flyovers, and it went near unreported both times. It's almost as if there's a narrative to be told and an agenda to be pushed.
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quash wrote:So when are you going to drop the line of Trump being under the influence of Putin?
As soon as he replaces Rex "Russian Order of Friendship recipient and co-author of $500 billion Exxon/Russia oil deal that was deep sixed by Crimea sanctions" Tillerson with a secretary of state who's actually qualified.

Btw, I remember you blowing a gasket, perhaps justifiably, over a photo of Obama letting a general sit in his chair. What's your take on Trump and the Japanese Prime Minister getting briefed on North Korean missile tests in an open air restaurant at Trump's resort while his paying guests with no security clearance are snapping pictures and posting them online the whole time?

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Instead of using phone lights to read these top secret documents, maybe take it indoors out of view of the guests? Perhaps I'm just being paranoid. It's not like the guests are going to be sharing dangerous information or anything...

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I think it's time for that impeachment poll.
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Satan wrote:The illusion of opposition to Trump is so OTT it's long past ridiculous. He and the elite are wearing jetpacks flying over every shark that ever lived.
I call it a post-parody reality. The Simpsons, where people in positions of power are depicted as some degree of incompetent, corrupt, lazy, horny, and evil (such as the police chief, mayor and local rich guy) are actually much less so than those that exist in reality.

During the primaries I mentioned multiple times that Trump's solution to corruption was to get rid of the puppets and just put the billionaires in charge of everything directly. This wasn't a joke at the time and only an idiot would be surprised that's where we are now.
One woman, who has never been politically active before, is quoted saying something like, “Apparently, this is now what I do on weekends.” And, apparently, these are being organized across the country.
^ And stuff like this is why it's not the worst thing in the world. The function of the corporate boring mayonnaise politicians is to make politics boring. Which lets them do anything they want to do.

Trump certainly doesn't make politics boring.
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He's a Trojan horse for the people he claims to oppose and a surprisingly effective politician so far.
The travel ban was a masterstroke, now his supporters are begging for the office to be given dictatorial powers beyond Executive Orders. And these are people who believe they're 'woke' and 'red pilled'.
My money is on a Muslim round up following some sort of large scale 9-11 x 100 atrocity, during Trump's first term.
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So I take it Hillary had Satan's endorsement? Was Ben Garrison simply telling us the truth?
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You are Satan.
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quash wrote:I guess nothing will ever be good enough for you. Trump will always be Putin's puppet to you, even if he ends up not cooperating with Russia on various issues.
Oh, absolutely, I'm being completely silly here, since Trump is obviously taking a highly principled and personal stand on this matter, as opposed to, oh, I don't know, blaming the media for the whole thing for the millionth time. :lol: As for the latter half of your statement, 1) Wouldn't that mean insta-World War III? and 2) Wake me if it ever actually comes close to happening. :lol:
Funny thing is, I've been on two ships that have had Russian flyovers
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Satan wrote:You are Satan.
I'm afraid not, though he is a close friend of mine. He told me that you're a disgrace to the family name and that you should commit seppuku.
BulletMagnet wrote:Wouldn't that mean insta-World War III?
That depends a lot on what the Pentagon is brewing right now. They're considering sending ground forces to Syria (which we've already done, but I digress), but the mission they'll have there will decide what ends up happening.
I love you, Kellyanne. :lol:
You're the one acting like routine aggressions on the high seas that have been going on since the Cold War is news. I just know firsthand that when this happened in recent years, it wasn't nearly as visible to the average person.
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Then you don't understand Satan. Amateur. Thanks for playing.
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The real Satan would never resort to such weak posturing.
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quash wrote:That depends a lot on what the Pentagon is brewing right now.
It's truly remarkable how quickly you (along with the rest of Trump's apocalyptic screecher faction) have changed your tune from "within the left hand lies fiery oblivion, within the right glorious salvation; there is no room for error!" to "eh, just wait and see what the army does, these sorts of little things happen all the time anyway". Almost as good as "no, no, it's just the present Goldman Sachs people who are bad, the past ones Trump keeps hiring are awesome, really!" :lol: But whatever, if it's inconvenient for the prospects of upper-end tax cuts getting passed it's automatically fake news anyway. :lol:

Speaking of which, still waiting. :lol:
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We've been had. We should be working on convincing the police to point their weapons in the other direction.
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BulletMagnet wrote:It's truly remarkable how quickly you (along with the rest of Trump's apocalyptic screecher faction) have changed your tune from "within the left hand lies fiery oblivion, within the right glorious salvation; there is no room for error!" to "eh, just wait and see what the army does, these sorts of little things happen all the time anyway".
All I pointed out, with more than sufficient evidence, was that Hillary's (and much of the Senate's, on both sides) plan for Syria would needlessly antagonize Russia over a pipeline that isn't of that much significance to us, anyways.

Moreover, Trump is but one part of the puzzle; Mattis is weary of but not antagonistic towards Russia, while the rest of the Republicans are lock step with the rest of DC. It's clear that Trump doesn't wish to antagonize Russia; what's unclear is if the rest of the party is willing to cooperate on this issue. I remain cautiously optimistic that Trump can strongarm his party on this.
Almost as good as "no, no, it's just the present Goldman Sachs people who are bad, the past ones Trump keeps hiring are awesome, really!" :lol: But whatever, if it's inconvenient for the prospects of upper-end tax cuts getting passed it's automatically fake news anyway. :lol:
Bannon is prior GS, and he's about as anti-establishment as it gets. Even Tillerson was far from a lemming when he climbed the ladder.
Speaking of which, still waiting. :lol:
I am a busy person, dude. Condense your query to one question and I'll answer it.
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quash wrote:It's clear that Trump doesn't wish to antagonize Russia
"Doesn't wish to antagonize" is a massive understatement; if national security is really that much of a priority that Trump refuses to say boo about Putin's autocratic, crony-ridden war crimes factory (of all the leaders to unapologetically suck up up to, this is the one he picks?), you'd think that maybe the frequent and repeated open provocations (except the flyovers of course, they don't count :lol:) would elicit some reaction outside of respectful silence.
Bannon is prior GS, and he's about as anti-establishment as it gets. Even Tillerson was far from a lemming when he climbed the ladder.
And yet somehow every single one of these "reformed" insiders never, ever quite lose their all-consuming devotion to directing more and more wealth ever upward towards themselves and those like them...over here in Crazyland that's the sort of thing that might make one reconsider one's definition of "anti-establishment", but what do liberal lunatics like me know. :lol:
I am a busy person, dude. Condense your query to one question and I'll answer it.
Get bent, Kellyanne. :lol: You know what my questions are (all three of them!) and they've been directed at you countless times by now, over a span of months on end, to be completely ignored at every single turn: address them at your leisure, whenever the fuck that is. :lol:
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You're all over the place, lol. Russian flyovers have been happening since before any of us were born and happened plenty of times under Bush Jr. and Obama. They just weren't reported on because it didn't promote a useful narrative.

The missile test is far more significant, yet you seem way more focused on the flyovers. I wonder why :roll:

And he isn't unapologetically sucking up to anyone, much less Putin. Sanctions are still in place and nothing has changed in Syria yet.

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quash wrote: If you want your questions answered, make them clear and concise.
How can the most powerful main in the world, at a press conference, say that his 306 electoral college vote was the largest margin of victory in history, with a straight face.
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GaijinPunch wrote:How can the most powerful main in the world, at a press conference, say that his 306 electoral college vote was the largest margin of victory in history, with a straight face.
I assume quash's response is going to be about how knowing facts is irrelevant to a person's ability to act based on facts.
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Weekly reminder that you win elections with politicians, so convincing people Trump is doodoo (an already redundant exercise, with that approval rating. Donald Trump is doing your work for you) doesn't amount to much if you can't get someone to dispose him in an election.

You have to advocate for someone and for something. If you have to resort to "lesser evil", well, that's a losing hand from the start. Those who like evil have the advantage in such an arrangement, as those who don't like evil will be repulsed by the entire affair.

This is intuitive and logical, yes? ------> Primary.
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The impeachment stuff is, I admit, grotesquely curious. It seems so ludicrous, since it'd be like ritual seppuku by the GOP. It's gnarly we're even contemplating it.
gameoverDude wrote:Those damn 3rd party candidates (Libertarian, Green) took votes away from her, I'm sure.
Libertarians and Greens would rather eat shit than vote for Her. And are composed of a miniscule amount of the electorate who are fully aware they're protest voting.

The scapegoat you're looking for that cost her millions of votes are Democrats who didn't show up, or who decided to MAGA.
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GaijinPunch wrote:How can the most powerful main in the world, at a press conference, say that his 306 electoral college vote was the largest margin of victory in history, with a straight face.
Because he knows it'll divert airtime from other things. Has nobody learned anything from the campaign?

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quash wrote:The missile test is far more significant, yet you seem way more focused on the flyovers.
What the fuck, dude? :lol: The only reason anyone's still talking about the flyovers is your insistence that they "don't count" as "real" aggression from Russia (btw, if the missile test really IS "significant", why is this the only time you've bothered to so much as mention it?) Moreover, if they're really not that big a deal, why did the article I linked quote the ship's captain as expressing concern about it? Did the Soros Mafia get to him, too? :lol: Though the whole point is that Trump bragged throughout the campaign that this sort of nonsense wouldn't happen under him because of all the RESPECT he would be getting from Putin and everyone else; so, when does that start?

Oh, and has the faint possibility ever crossed that special little mind of yours that these sorts of incidents might be getting a wider range of coverage these days because our current President was likely assisted by Russia during the campaign, refuses to release any information that might clarify the nature of his and his advisors' relationship with the country (we can totally just take his word for it, right?), and has taken a highly conciliatory stance towards said country despite the many redoubtable characteristics of its present leadership (not to mention the whole "yeah, when does the RESPECT you wouldn't shut up about start" thing)? Maybe, just maybe there isn't a vast everyone-else conspiracy to "get" Trump, but perhaps it might make some sort of sense to focus on Russia's actions a little more than usual at the moment, considering the situation we find ourselves in?
And he isn't unapologetically sucking up to anyone, much less Putin. Sanctions are still in place and nothing has changed in Syria yet.
I thought you voted for him because you were hoping he would suck up to Putin, y'know, the whole "WW3 imminent" thing. :lol: So does this mean you're somehow disappointed?

While we're at it, this prompts another query. For quite some time now, including at the latest press conference (and oh what a display of dignified buck-stops-here leadership THAT was :lol:) Team Trump has singled out Putin, above all others, as the sort of person who could very well react to some manner/degree of "provocation" (exactly what that manner/degree might be seems to change daily, but never mind) with nuclear force; Trump doesn't even talk about Iran's Ayatollahs or Kim Jong Fucking Un this way, and moreover seems comfortable taking a far more aggressive stance towards the latter, at least in terms of the rhetoric he uses. So, if Trump and company really do believe that Putin is, to put it bluntly, the most unhinged and dangerous individual on the planet (and that's ignoring his horrendous human rights record, unending power grabs, and shameless corruption...which is precisely what Team Trump has consistently done), is total capitulation really the best, let alone only, possible response we can offer? Is this really the message we want to send to a trigger-happy megalomaniac? By the way, once more, whatever happened to all that RESPECT that Sissy Obama lost and Trump was going to get back? Is this how he plans to do it? Is this what his supporters voted for?
If you want your questions answered, make them clear and concise. If they're not worth asking again, they aren't worth answering.
One post ago you weren't asking for them to be repeated, you were asking for them to be somehow condensed into a single question, which you know is a bullshit request. :lol: But you know what? Here they are yet again, not for your benefit, heaven knows, but for anyone who might still believe that you have anything of value whatsoever to contribute:

1) Why should any measure of legitimacy be granted to an individual, let alone an entire party, whose entire economic platform is based upon a proven and highly destructive falsehood, namely "shower the rich with even more riches and the government coffers will overflow, and shared wealth will trickle down to everyone else?" While we're at it, why would such a staunchly capitalist cadre even propose such a thing, since the very concept of "shared wealth", very much including the existence of a middle class, flies directly in the face of what capitalism is supposed to be about?

2) Why should anyone, of any political affiliation, NOT be outraged at the current administration's casual and constant evocation of "alternative facts" and conspiracy theories to justify itself in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary? How is such a modus operandi even a little bit acceptable?

...and the one I'm personally most eager to hear from you - or any Trumpski - on:

3) When Trump stated, on national television, that he'd sent investigators to Hawaii to "unearth the truth" about Obama's birth, and moreover asserted that "they cannot believe what they're finding", how was this NOT both a stunningly brazen on-the-record lie and open-faced slander of a sitting President? Moreover, if the media is truly so devoted to bringing down Trump, why, when equipped with such a widely-covered, open-and-shut case of malicious mendacity on his part, did absolutely every one of them immediately acquiesce and stop asking about it altogether (on the off-chance they ever bothered to ask in the first place, mind you) when he declared "we don't talk about it anymore" without any further explanation?

"Clear and concise" enough for you? Not likely, and never will be, I'm sure, but we all already knew that. :lol:

EDIT: Y'know what? I'm feeling especially insidious today, so I'll intrude on your valuable time even more and toss in a fourth riddle for you: How is anyone supposed to consider Trump's pick to replace Scalia on the Supreme Court, whoever it is, as even remotely legitimate, considering that the open seat was stolen in broad daylight by his party in Congress? And before you answer, ask yourself yet another question (feel free to lie down first and catch your breath); if the exact same thing happened except that the party affiliations were switched around, would your answer be the same?
Because he knows it'll divert airtime from other things.
So when does he plan to quit trolling people who prefer their leaders say things which are true and maybe actually say things that are true and maybe even act upon them? And when do his followers plan to actually press him on this in some fashion?
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