Fudoh's ode to old display technology

[tacoguy64]

For sure.
I wanna say this was after i did the WINDAS calibration guide. Need to calibrate again but this time i wanna pit the FM against the OSSC on this monitor.
https://hardforum.com/threads/windas-wh ... s.1830788/

But I'm not sure how much of an effect it had on retro gaming. Doing that most certainly helped with everything else and still recommended that you do it. And i'm not sure if this applies to the smaller monitor but the fw900 takes about half an hour to warm up.

[FinalBaton]

Compared the specs and the F500R hits the same numbers as the FW900 in 4:3 mode

Max horizontal resolution : 2048 dots
Max vertical resolution : 1536 lines

Recommended horizontal resolution : 1600 dots
Recommended vertical resolution : 1200 lines

Horizontal frequency : 30 to 121 kHz
Vertical frequency : 48 to 160 kHz

They both sport a Trinitron FD tube and the aperture grill pitch is similar for both (0.22 mm for the F500R, 0.23 mm to 0.27 mm for the FW900)

I think the F500R is a winner. Will go check it out for sure, hopefully the tubes are still producing a good picture

[tacoguy64]

It looks close enough from a spec perspective.

I'd say it's not a bad idea to pick up a pc monitor. Especially now that the ossc is released. Even the FM yielded good results.
The image quality is excellent, comparable to high end pro monitors. But you don't get real scanlines. This can be a deal breaker for some but the fake ones do a good job I think.

[FinalBaton]

but the fake ones do a good job I think.

They really do. Pics I've seen of emulated scanlines on PC CRT look awesome

[Lord of Pirates]

Compared the specs and the F500R hits the same numbers as the FW900 in 4:3 mode

Max horizontal resolution : 2048 dots
Max vertical resolution : 1536 lines

Recommended horizontal resolution : 1600 dots
Recommended vertical resolution : 1200 lines

Horizontal frequency : 30 to 121 kHz
Vertical frequency : 48 to 160 kHz

They both sport a Trinitron FD tube and the aperture grill pitch is similar for both (0.22 mm for the F500R, 0.23 mm to 0.27 mm for the FW900)

I think the F500R is a winner. Will go check it out for sure, hopefully the tubes are still producing a good picture

The F500R sounds good, especially the pitch. If you can get the Viewsonic for cheap/free I'd go for that too . I've got a Diamond Pro 2070SB that should be on its way to me soon, hopefully it'll arrive safe.

[FinalBaton]

The F500R sounds good, especially the pitch. If you can get the Viewsonic for cheap/free I'd go for that too . I've got a Diamond Pro 2070SB that should be on its way to me soon, hopefully it'll arrive safe.

Yeah the viewsonic seems awesome too! And it is cheaper than the Sony. But the Sony is closer to me and not that much more expensive, so I think I'll go with that Someone on here should pick up the Viewsonic though! At $25 it seems like a good deal

[d0s]

Joined the PVM club a few days ago (the good PVM club I guess, I've had a 14N6U for years but rarely used it)

First test


In it's home


Very happy with it, though I wish I could find something with a higher TVL count (this model has 600 lines) this late in the game beggars can't be choosers and I wasn't looking to spend a fortune. It's in wonderful shape and doesn't seem like it's been used much at all

[d0s]

Sorry for the double post, but does anyone know if it's possible to get a stable image with Raiden II hardware games on the model I have (PVM-20M2MDU)? I have a Zero Team board and out of all my displays it's most stable on this PVM, but a bit wobbly as if some minor tweak could bring it into perfect sync. I have tried messing with the vertical hold and some other things in the service menu but they don't affect it.

[ShadowofBob]

Sorry for the double post, but does anyone know if it's possible to get a stable image with Raiden II hardware games on the model I have (PVM-20M2MDU)? I have a Zero Team board and out of all my displays it's most stable on this PVM, but a bit wobbly as if some minor tweak could bring it into perfect sync. I have tried messing with the vertical hold and some other things in the service menu but they don't affect it.

Looks nice! I just picked one up last week and will be testing it sometime this weekend once I all my BNC adapters arrive. Interested to see how it compares to my OSSC and 21" VGA CRT HP P1130. Probably could set it up easily side by side with my Wii and component output.

[FinalBaton]

Your new monitor looks great d0s
TVL is important, yes, but so is color rendition and contrast accuracy. Your monitor looks very sharp, be happy with it!

[Lord of Pirates]

Your new monitor looks great d0s
TVL is important, yes, but so is color rendition and contrast accuracy. Your monitor looks very sharp, be happy with it!

Especially considering how awful the price of a PVM has gotten these days.

[FinalBaton]

Just wanted to report that I finally found an adapter that succesfully lets me use the MAC 15 pins RGB connector on the NEC. It's this one :

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/HD15-VGA-Monitor ... SwFNZWznc-


I can now use this port as an input, or as a passthrough to a capture card! It also increased the number of RGB inputs on the monitor to 4, which is quite handy (contrary to a PVM, both ports of each RGB input can be used as either input or passthrough on the NEC, meaning that as long as you don't switch on 2 consoles plugged into the same input at the same time, you can have 4 consoles plugged into the monitor.)

[tacoguy64]

Just wanted to report that I finally found an adapter that succesfully lets me use the MAC 15 pins RGB connector on the NEC. It's this one :

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/HD15-VGA-Monitor ... SwFNZWznc-


I can now use this port as an input, or as a passthrough to a capture card! It also increased the number of RGB inputs on the monitor to 4, which is quite handy (contrary to a PVM, both ports of each RGB input can be used as either input or passthrough on the NEC, meaning that as long as you don't switch on 2 consoles plugged into the same input at the same time, you can have 4 consoles plugged into the monitor.)

That is awesome!
Between this, and converters like the GARO, the NEC presentation display line will remain competitive with the top crt rgb monitors out there.

[QXC]

Joined the PVM club a few days ago (the good PVM club I guess, I've had a 14N6U for years but rarely used it)

First test
img http://i.imgur.com/6GlcLOT.jpg[/img]

In it's home
img http://i.imgur.com/TpBLz8F.jpg[/img]

Very happy with it, though I wish I could find something with a higher TVL count (this model has 600 lines) this late in the game beggars can't be choosers and I wasn't looking to spend a fortune. It's in wonderful shape and doesn't seem like it's been used much at all

I'm probably biased since I've got an M2 and L2, but those are all the PVM you need really.

Thanks for reminidng me to figure out why I never could get my groovymame working correctly. Metal slug has got to be one of the best games to run on a nice CRT.

[Einzelherz]

Joined the PVM club a few days ago (the good PVM club I guess, I've had a 14N6U for years but rarely used it)

First test
img http://i.imgur.com/6GlcLOT.jpg[/img]

In it's home
img http://i.imgur.com/TpBLz8F.jpg[/img]

Very happy with it, though I wish I could find something with a higher TVL count (this model has 600 lines) this late in the game beggars can't be choosers and I wasn't looking to spend a fortune. It's in wonderful shape and doesn't seem like it's been used much at all

I'm probably biased since I've got an M2 and L2, but those are all the PVM you need really.

Thanks for reminidng me to figure out why I never could get my groovymame working correctly. Metal slug has got to be one of the best games to run on a nice CRT.

Yeah those posts just made me want to build a mame machine.

[FinalBaton]

That is awesome!
Between this, and converters like the GARO, the NEC presentation display line will remain competitive with the top crt rgb monitors out there.

It definitely is a very handy feature. It means someone with 4 RGB capable consoles can have all his consoles hooked up to the monitor without the need for a switcher. Pretty cool!

[d0s]

Joined the PVM club a few days ago (the good PVM club I guess, I've had a 14N6U for years but rarely used it)

First test
img http://i.imgur.com/6GlcLOT.jpg[/img]

In it's home
img http://i.imgur.com/TpBLz8F.jpg[/img]

Very happy with it, though I wish I could find something with a higher TVL count (this model has 600 lines) this late in the game beggars can't be choosers and I wasn't looking to spend a fortune. It's in wonderful shape and doesn't seem like it's been used much at all

I'm probably biased since I've got an M2 and L2, but those are all the PVM you need really.

Thanks for reminidng me to figure out why I never could get my groovymame working correctly. Metal slug has got to be one of the best games to run on a nice CRT.

Yeah those posts just made me want to build a mame machine.

It's not MAME there that's just a NGCD via RGB (also using it with a MVS/other boards with a supergun)

[FinalBaton]

Also forgot to mention that my problem with the Extron "240p trick" not working through my switcher, is now resolved :
my interface was placed after the switcher. But I tried placing it before the switcher and BAM : it noe works

[mclebron23]

What's a good price for the Sony pvm 20m4u?

[Einzelherz]

What's a good price for the Sony pvm 20m4u?

Sixteen dollarbucks.

[SNK-NEO-GEO]

What's a good price for the Sony pvm 20m4u?

Two years ago.. I sow them sell for under $200... Now it depends on how much people want to pay.

[mclebron23]

What's a good price for the Sony pvm 20m4u?

Sixteen dollarbucks.

Thanks. I found one locally for $375, but it seems a little high but I'm not sure what they regularly go for.

[bobrocks95]

To give a much better answer, prices are pretty much skyrocketing at this point. If you're sure you want a PVM/BVM, you have to put in a ton of work looking on various sites for one, preferably live near a big city, and still get very lucky if you want a good price.

So it's really just worth how much you're willing to pay for it, knowing that you might not see another near you for quite a while, and by then it might be even more expensive.

Personally speaking I wouldn't want a 20" display- I'd want either bigger so multiple people can use it (27"+) or smaller so I can use it on a desk comfortably (14"-). So that leaves me with dream displays like an XM37 that I'd gladly drop several hundred on, or cheaper, less desirable PVMs.

If you already know a 20" RGB monitor is what you're looking for, and you've got the money, you're likely going to have to splurge, or get very lucky. Keep in mind Sony isn't the only brand available though- if you want a deal, other brands are where to look.

[mclebron23]

Thanks for the info. I actually live very close to NYC. The guy selling the 20M4U is in jersey. I remember finding a Sony D24 (1000 line) in NYC for $500. Now people are asking $1500-$2000+ for them on eBay.

Maybe I'm better off with a 14" pvm/bvm. Can you recommend any good ones? I was thinking I'll get a 14" for my desk, and and was eyeing a 40" Sony xbr800 for multiplayer people.

[Brad251]

Mclebron23, you don't necessarily have to put in a ton of work to look for a professional video monitor. Besides Craigslist and Ebay, there are a number of ways to find one. I suggest doing things like calling local video production companies, electronics recycling centers, and video production departments of local universities to see if they have any they would be willing to sell. I have come across a number of people online that have found professional monitors this way for cheap (under $100). These places may not even be aware of how valuable these monitors are and simply want to get rid of their professional monitors to both free up space and not have to pay to recycle them. Used medical medical equipment resellers sometimes sell professional CRT monitors and your local government might have a government surplus warehouse or host a surplus auction where you could find some. The used medical equipment reseller, Dotmed, has a website that has some PVMs for sale. Dotmed currently has a few 20m2mdu PVMs for sale and at reasonable prices.

[Star1]

Does anyone have any experiences/opinions on the Sony trinitron KV-36FS70?
From what I can gather this is a lower end Trinitron? Someone nearby is giving one away, but even picking it up will be a hassle, so figured I'd ask around here for info beforehand.

I should mention I already have a B&O MX7000, so unless the trinitron is likely to be a lot better I might not bother getting it.

[FinalBaton]

mclebron, I agree with brad : to me it's either a 14 incher or 27 inch and bigger. I had both a 14 incher and a 20 incher, and I liked the 14 one way better. it was a lot less bulky and heavy, and worked just as well for putting it desktop-style and gaming close to it.

With a 20 incher, you have to sit pretty much at the same distance as you would with the 14 incher anyway. You can't sit on the sofa and have the 20 inch 6-to-8 feet away from you.

Personal preference, of course.

[MysticSynergy]

Any tips for cleaning a BVM / PVM? Specifically the inside?

I figure I'll open it up and use some compressed air to blow out any old dust and crud that's been sitting there for years. I haven't plugged the monitor in for some time now, just to be on the safe side.

On that note, does anyone have any photos of the inside of a BVM and where to look for the Flyback, focus pots, things of that nature? Would be very helpful!

[Sgt.Wafer]

To the people having trouble finding RGB input cards for their JVC monitors. Panasonic sold rebranded monitors that used the same cards but with a Panasonic model number. Try searching for BT-YA702P for the Panasonic RGB card and BT-YA701P if you need the composite/S-Video input card. I own a JVC DT-V1710CG which came empty with no inputs. I bought both Panasonic cards for it and both fit and at least the composite/S-Video card works, I didn't get a chance to try the RGB one yet.

I'm trying to locate a BT-YA702P Panasonic RGB / Component card. I would really appreciate help with this. Would possibly be interested in trades.

Unfortunately I only have the RGB/Component card installed in my monitor. But you can expand your search for a compatible one by adding The Ikegami branded model of the same card since the Ikegami HTM1700RA is a rebranded JVC DTV monitor. Look below for a list of the compatible card models.

Ikegami RGB/Component is... CPN-1700

Ikegami S-Video/Composite is... CPS-1700

JVC RGB/Component is... IF-C01COMG

JVC S-Video/Composite is... IF-C01PNG

Panasonic RGB/Component is... BT-YA702P

Panasonic S-Video/Composite is... BT-YA701P

[Shining]

Picked up a boxed KV-29X5E. I'm really happy with the image quality! Not as good as the KV-C27 but close enough.

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