BATTLE GAREGGA REV.2016 (M2)

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bigbadboaz wrote:This speaks more to the need to minimize day-one patches than to discs being "unnecessary" to those who prefer them.
If a game has a scheduled deadline they're not going to delay the game and have to pay employees for the added delay which cuts into potential profit margin. It's far more economically feasible to release a game and then patch it in the future. Game revisions are nothing new, even cartridges had them, just look at romsets. A recent example would be Bloodborne, which was delayed for a month due to quality issues. Another example would be FFXV, which was delayed due to wanting a physical version of the game that doesn't require patches, but the game is so high profile that they're able to take the risk, unlike selling a shmup.

Not like I expect anyone to understand how the fuck corporate game development actually works. Give me a flawless physical version because I say so.
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I have a question on the game. The M2 gadgets on the bottom right. What are they all about ?

Should I not always pick up every item ? In premium where the rank only goes up a fixed percentage especially. What does missing them do ?

Ok. That was multiple questions.
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Elixir wrote: Not like I expect anyone to understand how the fuck corporate game development actually works. Give me a flawless physical version because I say so.
I think this is something that always comes up every time a common games industry practice is criticized - arguments as to WHY it's the most economically viable practice.
The thing is, it's not like people aren't aware of this. But as consumers, I think we should reserve the right to at least epxress how we WISH things would be, and being able to get a complete product on the release date is definitely something that I feel is a very simple and understandable wish, even if I also understand why this is something we will only see very rarely from this point on. :\

Hopefully, the digital only release will mean that if we ever DO get a physical M2 ShotTriggers disc with this game on it, the patches will be included on the disc, and the above will be a non-issue.
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brianon wrote:I have a question on the game. The M2 gadgets on the bottom right. What are they all about ?

Should I not always pick up every item ? In premium where the rank only goes up a fixed percentage especially. What does missing them do ?

Ok. That was multiple questions.
Those are hidden option formation trackers.

From the ST:
There are also secret formations, that are activated when you fulfill certain requirements. These requirements are based on missing a certain number and type of item BEFORE you pick up the next available Option icon, and also remember that it is a lot easier to set up for certain special formations than others.

Search
These are fixed in a similar formation to Spread, but they track and fire at nearby enemies. It is quite hard to destroy faster moving drones with this formation, so if possible, avoid this and go for Homing instead.
To get Search, miss 5 Option items, then pick up the next one that appears.

Shadow
The Option items trail your ship much like the Gradius Options do. Useful if you like that sort of thing ;)
To get Shadow, miss 5 Medals, then pick up an Option item.

Homing
The Options have full range of the screen, and will fly right up to the nearest enemy and attack. Very useful :D
To get Homing, miss 5 SMALL Weapon bullets, then pick up an Option item.

Wide
They are fixed in the same manner as the Spread formation, but have a much wider firing angle.
To get Wide, miss 5 SMALL Shot powerups, then pick up an Option item.
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Keres wrote:
brianon wrote:I have a question on the game. The M2 gadgets on the bottom right. What are they all about ?

Should I not always pick up every item ? In premium where the rank only goes up a fixed percentage especially. What does missing them do ?

Ok. That was multiple questions.
Those are hidden option formation trackers.

From the ST:
There are also secret formations, that are activated when you fulfill certain requirements. These requirements are based on missing a certain number and type of item BEFORE you pick up the next available Option icon, and also remember that it is a lot easier to set up for certain special formations than others.

Search
These are fixed in a similar formation to Spread, but they track and fire at nearby enemies. It is quite hard to destroy faster moving drones with this formation, so if possible, avoid this and go for Homing instead.
To get Search, miss 5 Option items, then pick up the next one that appears.

Shadow
The Option items trail your ship much like the Gradius Options do. Useful if you like that sort of thing ;)
To get Shadow, miss 5 Medals, then pick up an Option item.

Homing
The Options have full range of the screen, and will fly right up to the nearest enemy and attack. Very useful :D
To get Homing, miss 5 SMALL Weapon bullets, then pick up an Option item.

Wide
They are fixed in the same manner as the Spread formation, but have a much wider firing angle.
To get Wide, miss 5 SMALL Shot powerups, then pick up an Option item.
Thanks for that.
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Sumez wrote:it's not like people aren't aware of this.
They don't, which is why I posted to begin with. Gamers have no idea what business looks like nor do they know anything about corporate business. They think their money increases in value over time. Nobody cared about day 1 patches or physical releases in the 90s. Every single Playstation blog entry has incredibly clueless and ungrateful people complaining that they paid $400 for a console yet seem somehow surprised that it does not continuously dispense free content to their very specific interests at all possible times, irrespective of the fact that the console was most likely sold at a loss, even.
Sumez wrote:But as consumers, I think we should reserve the right to at least epxress how we WISH things would be, and being able to get a complete product on the release date is definitely something that I feel is a very simple and understandable wish
As consumers, consumers are just money, and there is plenty of that. As a corporate, no employer is going to pay staff overtime for delays if they can help it, because like I said, it cuts into potential profit margin. This was irrelevant in the 90s for the most part, because games had small dev teams. No one is boycotting games because they were released exclusively digital, except for a small vocal minority who can't let go of their childhood. Day 1 and post-release patches are a good thing, not a bad thing, and they should be encouraged. It shows that these developers are willing to uphold the integrity of their game for the present and the future, and respect for their work. It's now even easier to make patches for games so there's literally no reason for them not to, unless they don't need to.

Constructive consumer criticism usually comes from people who have already invested in the product, by the way. In the game world, devs usually listen in silence to what activity their games are generating online, if any bugs are found or reported, etc. It's even encouraged to report feedback to some devs.
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If online patches existed back in the DS days, it would helped the US SNK vs. Capcom: Card Fighters DS release. What's the point of a physical release when the game doesn't even play further. Also reminds me of Impossible Mission back in the Atari days.

Hey, developers want to make a game better is fine by me. I'm just worried about when you aren't able to get fixes anymore. Then at that point piracy?
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Sorry for the double post, but Version 1.02 is now live, patch installed on my PS4.
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I just caught wind of this release. I've created a JP PSN account, what would be the best way to buy the game? I know they won't take a credit card from the states, but will PayPal work?

I feel like if I have to buy a 5000 yen JP psn card, I might as well just buy the box with the redemption code.

edit: Just purchased a 5000 yen card off play Asia. Got the code and bought garegga. I was going to buy the package, but that would defeat the purpose of me cleaning all of crap I don't need out of my life. Not that it's crap, but what am I going to do with a soundtrack and booklet?
I had the game on Saturn and sold it.

Can't wait to download this tomorrow!
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Really hoping that this ends up getting an actual physical disk on the ps4. I was ultra hyped when they announced it was coming to JP PSN, along with the collectors set, but when I realized it had no physical disk that kind of killed most of my interest.
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is it possible after purchased in the PSN JPN Store to play it with a EUR / US PSN account?!
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RuffNEC wrote:is it possible after purchased in the PSN JPN Store to play it with a EUR / US PSN account?!
Yes, of course.
You need to set your PS4 as Primary with the JPN account first, though.
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RuffNEC wrote:is it possible after purchased in the PSN JPN Store to play it with a EUR / US PSN account?!
Yes, once you've jumped through the hoops with your JPN account and downloading, you'll be able to play the game with your regular non-JPN account.
AxelMill wrote:You need to set your PS4 as Primary with the JPN account first, though.
Not sure what you mean here, you can certainly add the JPN account as an additional user and then never use it again.
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chempop wrote:
AxelMill wrote:You need to set your PS4 as Primary with the JPN account first, though.
Not sure what you mean here, you can certainly add the JPN account as an additional user and then never use it again.
He means that the PS4 needs to be set as the "Primary PS4" for your JP account (for me at least, I had to go into the PS4 settings and explicitly set that) to be able to play those games with other accounts.
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Ahhh thanks for clearing that up!

Sooooo how do we crank the rank in Premium mode? Has it been talked about yet?
[edit] Discussed here: http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p1229836
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M2 did a big post-launch interview for Rev.2016: http://www.famitsu.com/news/201612/28123855.html

The M2 president, M2 STG leader, director, planner, game programmer, audio programmer and producer all chipped in, plus Namiki said a few things via Skype.
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Jus hearing Battle Geregga and Dangun Feveron in discussion at all.... I'm home!!!! (this is my first post and yes I am a SHMUP fan for sure!!)
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Any more word on a NA release?
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AxelMill wrote:
RuffNEC wrote:is it possible after purchased in the PSN JPN Store to play it with a EUR / US PSN account?!
Yes, of course.
You need to set your PS4 as Primary with the JPN account first, though.
thx guys,

so when I set the PS4 to Primary as JPN I have troubles afterwards to log in to the psn store (in my case european store) ?!

So I can compare the scores withing my EUR PSN Account Friendlist?
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I got my redeem code for Battle Garegga, however when I enter it I get told it is invalid.

I have double and triple checked the code and I input it correctly.

Is there anything else I need to do ?
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Maybe a stupid question, but are you doing it on a Japanese PSN account?
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Sumez wrote:Maybe a stupid question, but are you doing it on a Japanese PSN account?
No I am not, I was not aware that redeem codes were region specific ?

So this means I have to create a Japanese PSN account ? Any recommended links ?
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From page 19:
charlie chong wrote:i created my japanese psn account pretty easily using pc

go to this site in a browser that supports auto translation, like Chrome and follow the prompts on the page.

https://account.sonyentertainmentnetwor ... cale=ja_JP

here's a fake address generator i used
http://www.fakeaddressgenerator.com/All ... ddress?ip=
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Thank you @Rancor!
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what is the difference between the two recently released soundtracks on CDJapan?

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/SRIN-1103
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEODAI-13050

is the second one just a reprint of the old soundtrack? It's only one disc
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Any word on a USA downloadable release yet?
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Anybody in here who recently got the port or is interested in the game in general should check out our Q&A stream which will go live in approx. an hour!
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what I've heard the newly arranged soundtrack sounds pretty dull to the great original detroit techno stylish tracks?!
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Some of the remixes ( like the Yamajet Stage 4 and DJ Sharpenel Stage 5 tracks) are great, some of the other remixes were not too great.

If you want, listen to the Rev. 2016 Soundtrack instead. Not only does it keep the structure and sound of the original soundtrack, but it has higher quality samples and a bit of arrangement to it too.
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I have the game but am having issues logging into my Japan PSN account with my PS4. Is there a FAQ here I can't find?

Edit: I figured it out. PSN was sending me an e-mail that my ISP wasn't passing along for whatever reason. Swapped email addresses and all is well.
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