Little things that annoy the hell out of you

Bananamatic · Post by **Bananamatic** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:14 pm

no normal teenager gives a shit about RGB or retro video bullshit
just play games with him dude

WelshMegalodon · Post by **WelshMegalodon** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:21 pm

So we're all aware of the overbearing circlejerk around savestating through "retro games" and how it frees emulator users from playing through the same segment multiple times, allowing them to get back to their busy adult lives.

Is there some reason that people do this instead of, you know... not playing games that involve practice and repetition? Because we had those back in ye olde "8-bit" days.

This also applies to people who complain about grinding and random battles.

EDIT: Because nobody still uses ZSNES.

soprano1 · Post by **soprano1** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:25 pm

WelshMegalodon wrote:So we're all aware of the overbearing circlejerk around savestating through "retro games" and how it frees ZSNES users from playing through the same segment multiple times, allowing them to get back to their busy adult lives.

Is there some reason that people do this instead of, you know... not playing games that involve practice and repetition? Because we had those back in ye olde "8-bit" days.

This also applies to people who complain about grinding and random battles.

Who the hell still uses ZSNES?

ryu · Post by **ryu** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:46 pm

WelshMegalodon wrote:So we're all aware of the overbearing circlejerk around savestating through "retro games" and how it frees emulator users from playing through the same segment multiple times, allowing them to get back to their busy adult lives.

Is there some reason that people do this instead of, you know... not playing games that involve practice and repetition? Because we had those back in ye olde "8-bit" days.

This also applies to people who complain about grinding and random battles.

EDIT: Because nobody still uses ZSNES.

atheistgod is that you?

Bananamatic · Post by **Bananamatic** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:48 pm

the only thing i'm sick of is the retro arcade scanlines crt ORIGINAL HARDWARE REAL EXPERIENCE HARDCORE NO SAVESTATES circlejerk
can't be a coincidence that those people usually suck dick at said games

let people play however the fuck they want and stop influencing kids like atheistgod, at this rate he'll end up with no friends crying in the middle of his retro hardware collection
no one complains about TAS people doing games frame by frame, if they just want to savestate through it then whatever

WelshMegalodon · Post by **WelshMegalodon** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:16 pm

I shouldn't have to point out that people who perform tool-assisted speedruns and people who just play games to play them have very different goals. TAS is less a test of "regular" player skill as it is in programming.

The endorsement of playing on original hardware is necessary if only to keep the unwashed masses from thinking that old games were in widescreen or some other such nonsense. We are, after all, fighting a losing battle against incompetent Twitch streamers and Let's Players.

If you want to play in 16:9 with cartoon shaders on, I won't stop you. Just keep it the hell to yourself instead of raving about how it makes old games "better".

And you know damn well that it isn't AG's gamer habit scaring people away. As I and others have said before, he wouldn't be any better off liking "popular" things.

Bananamatic wrote:can't be a coincidence that those people usually suck dick at said games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC7A3iIdAwg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaH74rtdiIU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfLTEV6 ... e=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPWJMf7 ... e=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvFclcd ... e=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBWCX9C ... e=youtu.be

Sinful · Post by **Sinful** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:47 pm

Forum thread locking suck.

Pixel_Outlaw · Post by **Pixel_Outlaw** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:01 pm

Hehe, that's almost as fun as people who play their highly lagging NES on a widescreen TV then claim that's "It's now in high-def".

As long as we're bitching about the unwashed and video displays...

How about trying to play your NES on a friend's TV with really really bad upscale lag?

*WARNING* *WARNING* A HUGE ANNOYING SITUATION
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P_O: This game is lagging pretty bad, your TV can't upscale the picture to keep up with the console.
Friend: Lol! This is a new TV! That console is like from 30 years ago.
P_O: Yes, the computer inside your TV can't stretch the tiny picture quickly enough to fit it on the big screen, there is upscale lag.
Friend: What? You don't know what lag means, we're not even playing online.
P_O: Does your TV have a game mode?
Friend: I can't check you're not supposed to mess with the setting on a new TV for a month after purchasing it.
P_O: What the devil are you talking about? Who told you this? I'm not going to play Galaga on TV like this.
Friend: Well what do you want to play then?
P_O: Just pop in Call of Duty on your 360 and end me. (defeated)
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Xyga · Post by **Xyga** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:06 pm

People who a make rar/zip for sharing a file while the compression only makes it a few MB smaller, and they're not even using password protection.

Why. The. Fuck.

ryu · Post by **ryu** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:07 pm

Xyga wrote:People who a make rar/zip for sharing a file while the compression only makes it a few MB smaller, and they're not even using password protection.

Why. The. Fuck.

because unraring a file feels really nostalgic?

null1024 · Post by **null1024** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:13 pm

Xyga wrote:People who a make rar/zip for sharing a file while the compression only makes it a few MB smaller, and they're not even using password protection.

Why. The. Fuck.

Usually, this is kind of stupid. People who zip individual MP3s are the worst in particular.

On the other hand, sometimes file hosts don't allow certain formats but will gladly take the file in an archive [for example, you can send .EXE files over gmail if they're 7zipped].

Pixel_Outlaw · Post by **Pixel_Outlaw** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:19 pm

The worst is when the recipient's OS "hides known file extensions".
And they can't manually change the file extension you've put on a program to get it through their Gmail inbox.

Only perpetuates file type ignorance and is a security hole for accidentally executing malicious program files.

Sinful · Post by **Sinful** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:54 pm

Pixel_Outlaw wrote:Hehe, that's almost as fun as people who play their highly lagging NES on a widescreen TV then claim that's "It's now in high-def".

As long as we're bitching about the unwashed and video displays...

How about trying to play your NES on a friend's TV with really really bad upscale lag?

*WARNING* *WARNING* A HUGE ANNOYING SITUATION
----------
P_O: This game is lagging pretty bad, your TV can't upscale the picture to keep up with the console.
Friend: Lol! This is a new TV! That console is like from 30 years ago.
P_O: Yes, the computer inside your TV can't stretch the tiny picture quickly enough to fit it on the big screen, there is upscale lag.
Friend: What? You don't know what lag means, we're not even playing online.
P_O: Does your TV have a game mode?
Friend: I can't check you're not supposed to mess with the setting on a new TV for a month after purchasing it.
P_O: What the devil are you talking about? Who told you this? I'm not going to play Galaga on TV like this.
Friend: Well what do you want to play then?
P_O: Just pop in Call of Duty on your 360 and end me. (defeated)
----------

lol

atheistgod1999 · Post by **atheistgod1999** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:28 pm

Bananamatic wrote:stop influencing kids like atheistgod

Dude, I got those beliefs by myself, not from WelshMegalodon.

Bananamatic wrote:at this rate he'll end up with no friends crying in the middle of his retro hardware collection

I wrote:There's this kid I met recently who's legitimately interested in retro gaming (played them on emulators before), and I even brought over my NES and a 13" CRT TV (he lives down the sidewalk from me) and he was able to get up to the world circuit in Punch-Out!! without getting KO'd on his first try. He wants me to bring over my SNES

Also:

Pixel_Outlaw wrote:P_O: This game is lagging pretty bad, your TV can't upscale the picture to keep up with the console.
Friend: Lol! This is a new TV! That console is like from 30 years ago.
P_O: Yes, the computer inside your TV can't stretch the tiny picture quickly enough to fit it on the big screen, there is upscale lag.
Friend: What? You don't know what lag means, we're not even playing online.
P_O: Does your TV have a game mode?
Friend: I can't check you're not supposed to mess with the setting on a new TV for a month after purchasing it.
P_O: What the devil are you talking about? Who told you this? I'm not going to play Galaga on TV like this.
Friend: Well what do you want to play then?
P_O: Just pop in Call of Duty on your 360 and end me. (defeated)
----------

How did you become friends with that guy in the first place?

atheistgod1999 · Post by **atheistgod1999** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:55 pm

Bananamatic wrote:no normal teenager gives a shit about RGB or retro video bullshit
just play games with him dude

He and his mom (who was playing Skyrim on PS4 when I walked into his house, BTW) were discussing early 90's PC games like DOOM, so I mentioned that I was into retro gaming and had an NES, and he was impressed and I said I could bring it over, so I did along with a CRT. And again: HE WANTS TO PLAY MY SNES!!!

Dude, you have fucking awful reading comprehension.

And I know that I said I wouldn't talk any more about school until getting my SAT results, but I just want to mention that I haven't gotten in any trouble at school so far this school year, and have As in all of my classes except for AP math, in which I have an A- (but is getting higher).

Bananamatic · Post by **Bananamatic** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:00 pm

atheistgod1999 wrote: He and his mom (who was playing Skyrim on PS4 when I walked into his house, BTW) were discussing early 90's PC games like DOOM, so I mentioned that I was into retro gaming and had an NES, and he was impressed and I said I could bring it over, so I did along with a CRT. And again: HE WANTS TO PLAY MY SNES!!!

Dude, you have fucking awful reading comprehension.

retro gaming
that means playing the games
not bringing your super cool display and going on for hours about how superior the display quality is and how you absolutely need RGB
don't fuck this up dude

WelshMegalodon wrote:We are, after all, fighting a losing battle against incompetent Twitch streamers and Let's Players.

yes, this "us vs them" bullshit is exactly what I mean
just let it go dude
not everyone who plays video games understands technology that well to comprehend the differences or understand why you cant just stretch shit to 16:9
if they actually think filters actually look good then it's cool

WelshMegalodon wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC7A3iIdAwg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaH74rtdiIU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfLTEV6 ... e=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPWJMf7 ... e=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvFclcd ... e=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBWCX9C ... e=youtu.be

none of these people are posting pretentious retro crap as far as I know

atheistgod1999 · Post by **atheistgod1999** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:23 pm

Bananamatic wrote:retro gaming
that means playing the games
not bringing your super cool display and going on for hours about how superior the display quality is and how you absolutely need RGB

No, I was planning on going over, saying in one or two sentences that it has this cool signal called "RGB" and that it's higher quality, then hooking everything up and playing Super Mario World, Super Star Wars, and BioMetal. I know normal people don't give a shit about that stuff. He does care about input lag, though.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:45 pm

retro gaming that means playing the games not bringing your super cool display and going on for hours about how superior the display quality is and how you absolutely need RGB

This. I have never understood why people buy retro gear, plug about 60 converters and image capturing devices and upscalers. After remortgaging the house 3 times, they have a system that now displays the same games about 25% sharper. Woo hoo! Give yourself a medal.

Or the other flip side of this, the PVM monitor. Lets go on road trips to buy a monitor that might not work in 6 months time, has almost zero chance of getting fixed without a time machine. But to hell with it, I gotta have it because someone on the internet found a mint condition NOS model. Then suddenly its like black friday for a PVM.

If you look at most of the threads in this forum, most of them revolve around lag, image quality and buying a box that plugs into a box that plugs in to a box.

5% of the threads are people ACTUALLY playing games.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:47 pm

In other news, I think its about time that any restaurant using soda logos on soda machines which offer watered down variants of their products get sued multiple times.

If I buy a Pepsi, I want a Pepsi.. not a watered down piss.

WelshMegalodon · Post by **WelshMegalodon** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:51 pm

neorichieb1971 wrote: This. I have never understood why people buy retro gear, plug about 60 converters and image capturing devices and upscalers. After remortgaging the house 3 times, they have a system that now displays the same games about 25% sharper. Woo hoo! Give yourself a medal.

Or the other flip side of this, the PVM monitor. Lets go on road trips to buy a monitor that might not work in 6 months time, has almost zero chance of getting fixed without a time machine. But to hell with it, I gotta have it because someone on the internet found a mint condition NOS model. Then suddenly its like black friday for a PVM.

If you look at most of the threads in this forum, most of them revolve around lag, image quality and buying a box that plugs into a box that plugs in to a box.

5% of the threads are people ACTUALLY playing games.

I just assumed that, after 80+ hours in Dodonpachi Daifukkatsu or whatever, a slightly sharper picture would make a world of difference to the player.

Sumez · Post by **Sumez** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:00 pm

neorichieb1971 wrote: If you look at most of the threads in this forum, most of them revolve around lag, image quality and buying a box that plugs into a box that plugs in to a box.

5% of the threads are people ACTUALLY playing games.

I just mentally block out the entire hardware subforum when browsing active threads.
I care about hardware, I just don't like talking about it much. But I'm glad some people do, so I have people to draw from when I need support.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:02 pm

WelshMegalodon wrote:
neorichieb1971 wrote: This. I have never understood why people buy retro gear, plug about 60 converters and image capturing devices and upscalers. After remortgaging the house 3 times, they have a system that now displays the same games about 25% sharper. Woo hoo! Give yourself a medal.

Or the other flip side of this, the PVM monitor. Lets go on road trips to buy a monitor that might not work in 6 months time, has almost zero chance of getting fixed without a time machine. But to hell with it, I gotta have it because someone on the internet found a mint condition NOS model. Then suddenly its like black friday for a PVM.

If you look at most of the threads in this forum, most of them revolve around lag, image quality and buying a box that plugs into a box that plugs in to a box.

5% of the threads are people ACTUALLY playing games.
I just assumed that, after 80+ hours in Dodonpachi Daifukkatsu or whatever, a slightly sharper picture would make a world of difference to the player.

It might. But this forums chatter is about boxes, not about games. If the boxes have settings menus or buttons, your in a world of twiddling... Don't get me wrong I believe in making something better. But your paying for the science to be done for you. In this RGB centric world of retro videogames the science is left for you to do. The worlds 3 biggest problems. 1) World peace, 2) Cancer Research 3) Getting 240p perfectly displayed on your new TV.

Blinge · Post by **Blinge** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:22 pm

WelshMegalodon wrote:So we're all aware of the overbearing circlejerk around savestating through "retro games" and how it frees emulator users from playing through the same segment multiple times, allowing them to get back to their busy adult lives.

Is there some reason that people do this instead of, you know... not playing games that involve practice and repetition? Because we had those back in ye olde "8-bit" days.

This also applies to people who complain about grinding and random battles.

overbearing circle jerk? I don't see it on this forum, (at least not for that subject ;] ) so no need to wipe someone elses faeces around here eh?

I use save states when emulating old games, so i don't have to play the same segment multiple times.
Problem?

For instance, i put a savestate down on each of Dracula's forms in Castlevania III so I could understand and practice them individually, before putting it all together in a full run of the stage. This is so i don't have to repeat the balls hard stage only to be insta-rekt cause I haven't internalised what I'm supposed to do.

Time saving is more of a bonus than the goal. I use that time saved to.. play more games =]
Or pretend I'm a busy adult etc etc whatever that reference is about.

Also i have been known to go through some areas in 16bit jrpgs with the fast foward button held.
*cough mystic quest cough*
ohh emulators glorious emulators!

atheistgod1999 wrote: And again: HE WANTS TO PLAY MY SNES!!!

This is getting a bit steamy.

neorichieb1971 wrote:In other news, I think its about time that any restaurant using soda logos on soda machines which offer watered down variants of their products get sued multiple times.

If I buy a Pepsi, I want a Pepsi.. not a watered down piss.

Aww i like the coke out of a gun from some fast food places/bars. Tastes better to me, not sure why.
tfw i'm not supposed to drink that shit anyway

WelshMegalodon · Post by **WelshMegalodon** » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:35 am

Blinge wrote:overbearing circle jerk? I don't see it on this forum, (at least not for that subject ;] ) so no need to wipe someone elses faeces around here eh?

I use save states when emulating old games, so i don't have to play the same segment multiple times.
Problem?

For instance, i put a savestate down on each of Dracula's forms in Castlevania III so I could understand and practice them individually, before putting it all together in a full run of the stage. This is so i don't have to repeat the balls hard stage only to be insta-rekt cause I haven't internalised what I'm supposed to do.

Time saving is more of a bonus than the goal. I use that time saved to.. play more games =]
Or pretend I'm a busy adult etc etc whatever that reference is about.

Also i have been known to go through some areas in 16bit jrpgs with the fast foward button held.
*cough mystic quest cough*
ohh emulators glorious emulators!

Oh, Blinge. You know you're more the solution than the problem.

But if you do feel I'm wiping someone else's feces here, then, well... forget I mentioned it.

Sinful · Post by **Sinful** » Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:01 am

Honestly, state saving ruins games. But not like all games are great. But when and if you do accidentally ruin a game via state saves that you later greatly fall in love with, well, great regret you do feel.

Castlevania III got brought up. I'd never state save such a classic and would do everything to prolong it's greatness. Yeah, I still haven't beat this game. But why hurry when I can savour the experience more by avoiding the state saves, the easier Japanese version, the easier route and characters. Having fun playing and replaying games is where it's at. Once that ending comes, just means you sooner have to part with your love. And I want to go all night long.

atheistgod1999 · Post by **atheistgod1999** » Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:05 am

I'm sorry, but what Blinge is describing is similar to steroid usage, IMO.

ryu · Post by **ryu** » Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:10 am

neorichieb1971 wrote: Or the other flip side of this, the PVM monitor. Lets go on road trips to buy a monitor that might not work in 6 months time, has almost zero chance of getting fixed without a time machine. But to hell with it, I gotta have it because someone on the internet found a mint condition NOS model. Then suddenly its like black friday for a PVM.

To be fair I'm sure a lot of more recent BVM and PVM models are still in very good condition, otherwise the fad would have blown up long ago.

atheistgod1999 wrote:I'm sorry, but what Blinge is describing is similar to steroid usage, IMO.

*twitches forehead*
I need to let that sink in...

WelshMegalodon · Post by **WelshMegalodon** » Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:15 am

I think ag1999 was referencing that awful thread I dug up last week.

atheistgod1999 · Post by **atheistgod1999** » Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:19 am

WelshMegalodon wrote:I think ag1999 was referencing that awful thread I dug up last week.

I wasn't. Did I go full retard again?

Blinge · Post by **Blinge** » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:32 am

Well Welshy I mainly wanted to offer a counterpoint and give an example of save state use that doesn't completely cheese the game.

Other uses are: save state at the continue screen in classicvanias at the end of a session so you don't have to dick around with passwords.
Or after dying then farming back to full health in Metroid, so you don't have to spend ages getting all that health back after the next death. This is to avoid tedium, not for freeing up precious adult time (tm)

Sinful wrote:Yeah, I still haven't beat this game. But why hurry when I can savour the experience more by avoiding the state saves, the easier Japanese version, the easier route and characters. Having fun playing and replaying games is where it's at. Once that ending comes, just means you sooner have to part with your love. And I want to go all night long.

I can respect that. Personally such an approach is not for me cause nothing stops me replaying the game from start to finish armed with the knowledge I have, but if this is how you get your enjoyment then have at it.

atheistgod1999 wrote:I'm sorry, but what Blinge is describing is similar to steroid usage, IMO.

Hahah here we go!
No, that would be mental performance enhancing drugs like adderall or whatever the doc has put you on.
States are more similar to shadowboxing, training, sparring.

I get where you guys are coming from with the aversion but it's really not as absolute. I have a friend who relentlessly states his way through classicvania, megaman etc and I've given up trying to get him to do 'legit' runs.

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