Prelude to the Apocalypse

[Opus131]

The pretentious and inconsequential fringe

Which dominates western culture completely and is everywhere, hammering their insanity on everyone 24/7.

I have not felt antagonized by other effete liberals

Obviously, if you are one of them. Are you?

Your feelings on the matter of course aren't particularly relevant. What matters is whether the left has antagonized whites or aggravated race relations with their constant baiting and playing on identity politics, which they have. That they still have the gull to lecture us about race is laughable.

[Rob]

I'm a mountain man. Maybe this is how I can be so out of the loop with the trending urinal art and such.

[Opus131]

I'm an Italian peasant who grew up in a farm at the outskirts of civilization in a town with little more than a thousand people. I then "moved up" into the world only to discover all the supposedly "intelligent" people have gone insane.

[BulletMagnet]

So to everyone who voted Trump because they figured he'd be less likely to piss off Russia, feel free to start explaining why it's perfectly okay that he's already pissed off China instead.

Which dominates western culture completely and is everywhere, hammering their insanity on everyone 24/7.

So the two possibilities here are 1) You're overly sensitive to art you don't like, while the rest of the world is willing to largely ignore it and get on with life, or 2) Most of the human race, including most of your fellow whites, are openly determined to destroy "western/white culture" (as you happen to define it), for some unfathomable reason, and only you and an elite handful of other "truth-tellers" out there can and must stop them. Wonder which it could be...there's a vigorous debate afoot, after all, and all sides deserve equal consideration on this matter.

[Opus131]

So to everyone who voted Trump because they figured he'd be less likely to piss off Russia, feel free to start explaining why it's perfectly okay that he's already pissed off China instead.

If merely speaking with Taiwan’s president is an offense to China then maybe China should just fuck off. There's a difference with openly antagonizing Russia and precipitating a war with them for no seeming reason whatsoever (and with Russia having done nothing wrong to boot) and China dictating whom the president of America ought to be talking to.

So the two possibilities here are 1) You're overly sensitive to art you don't like, while the rest of the world is willing to largely ignore it and get on with life, or 2) Most of the human race, including most of your fellow whites, are openly determined to destroy "western/white culture" (as you happen to define it), for some unfathomable reason, and only you and an elite handful of other "truth-tellers" out there can and must stop them. Wonder which it could be...there's a vigorous debate afoot, after all, and all sides deserve equal consideration on this matter.

Obviously, we are in the right and the rest of the world is wrong. It goes without saying. Of course, there was a time when people believed exactly what i believe and the ideas that are in vogue today were just a tiny fringe, so this is a meaningless argument you are making.

[quash]

Pissing off China is a good thing. Not pissing them off, which has been Obama's strategy, has made them all uppity.

Think about it. Duterte decided to drop the case against China (which the UN even ruled in their favor) and let them go basically wherever they want around the Phillipines. Seeing as the US' only two strategies were to either continue to let China do as they please or start antagonizing in a serious manner, this was actually the smartest decision they could have made. They reached a peaceful resolution to the dispute around the Phillipines Adiz, something that the US wouldn't have been capable of in the long term. The dichotomy I presented regarding the US' strategy is indeed a false one, because they'd both lead to war, just that one would take longer than the other.

I have to agree with Opus on this, too. Meeting with Taiwan's president shouldn't be that big a deal. America at least has de facto recognized the sovereignty of Taiwan for years, now we just have a president legitimizing it.

Also, with a more amicable Russia, China becomes significantly less of a threat militarily.

[BulletMagnet]

If merely speaking with Taiwan’s president is an offense to China then maybe China should just fuck off. There's a difference with openly antagonizing Russia and precipitating a war with them for no seeming reason whatsoever (and with Russia having done nothing wrong to boot) and China dictating whom the president of America ought to be talking to.

First off, I'm sure if he'd gotten Ukraine on the line Putin would be perfectly hunky-dory with it. Second, your entire argument when it comes to appeasing Russia hasn't been "well, they just plain haven't done anything we can criticize" (no way in hell you or anyone else believe that), it's been "sorry, we can't afford unnecessary distractions, especially when someone has nukes, America First, just gotta deal with hard reality here". Somehow, of course, such a simplistic narrative only applies when it comes to the country Trump's been constantly kissing up to; once its most comparable neighbor suddenly comes into play, now the time has all at once come to suddenly quit averting our eyes and dig out the 5-dimensional chessboard again ("nukes shmukes, we can totally play these two superpowers against each other, we're just that good!")

It's the exact same "no, no, forget the kindergarten-caliber absolutist rhetoric I've been beating you over the head with this whole time, this is totally different!" dodge we heard countless times during the campaign, except now it's likely to have real-world consequences, not like anyone on Team Trump, least of all Trump himself, cares in the least.

Obviously, we are in the right and the rest of the world is wrong. It goes without saying.

Airtight, dude, airtight! Seriously, the more I experience of the "alt-right" the harder it gets to tell if they're trolling us all to hell and back of if they're truly as freakish and pitiful a cut-rate circus sideshow as they appear to be.

Not pissing them off, which has been Obama's strategy, has made them all uppity.

Bonus GET!

[quash]

Why are you acting like I'm saying something outrageous? What's your explanation for how China managed to build a FOB in the middle of a highly contested area? Obama's strong leadership and cunning diplomacy?

If a Republican had this happen on their watch, I'd be saying the exact same thing.

[BulletMagnet]

Why are you acting like I'm saying something outrageous?

Huh? I never claimed you said anything "outrageous", I said you (and Opus) are making completely contradictory statements when it comes to Trump's (apparent) stance on Russia as opposed to China, especially in your case since you declared yourself essentially a "one-issue voter", totally willing to ignore every awful thing about Trump and his policies solely because he was supposedly less likely than Clinton to aggravate tensions with up-and-coming world powers. Well, right up until he either screwed up or purposely "pissed off" China, then that not-terribly-friendly nuclear nation suddenly didn't count, and it's totally awesome that he got their gander up.

If a Republican had this happen on their watch, I'd be saying the exact same thing.

When pigs fly, dude. By the way, I'm still intensely curious concerning the details of your "pro-union" sensibilities. And how only present employees of Goldman-Sachs have actually done anything bad.

[quash]

Not to play the victim here, but you have seriously ran out of straw with that last post.

I'm not going to get into detail right now because I don't have time to, but long story short the script for WW3 has changed dramatically with Trump's election. Before, it seemed inevitable that the US and NATO would fight Russia and China. Now, there's much less certainty as to who the US would end up fighting and who would be their allies, but it's starting to look more and more like US/UK/Russia vs EU/Middle East and perhaps China.

As to why this is preferable, look no further than A) our nuclear arsenal vs our opponents and B) the drastically different goals of such a war. Instead of pitting the two strongest militaries against each other for the sake of further destabilizing Europe, we'd be fighting those responsible for it, and maybe get some oil while we're at it.

Not to mention that this scenario would end much quicker, would result in less destruction, and would keep the US atop the world by a wide margin.

I'd rather it not get to that, but at least now if it does we can feasibly come out on top and make the world a better place for it.

[EmperorIng]

The US vs. the perfidious EU, what with its powerful armies of... the US?

[quash]

They aren't calling for an EU military for no reason, and I think I'll leave it at that.

[BryanM]

Are we really conflating a phone call to shooting down planes? There's vastly bigger things to bash Trump on than that.



There's something very broken with the Democrats when I can believe Obama might give her a blanket pardon, but there's no possibility he'll grant clemency to Manning.

[Opus131]

"Appeasing" Russia: being diplomatic with them and not push them to the point they'd have no choice but start a war with us.

Being "diplomatic" with China: appeasing their dictatorial request (or demand rather) not to speak to a democratically elected leader.

Top keks indeed.

[BulletMagnet]

it's starting to look more and more like US/UK/Russia vs EU/Middle East and perhaps China.

You really will say any fool thing that pops into your head at this point, won't you? Whenever and however Trump screws his base next I predict Mecha-Ghidorah will show up and instantly "reshuffle the deck" in his favor all over again (and any objections are just more straw). Get lost.

Top keks indeed.

C'mon Opus, resist that insidious political correctness! Man up! By the way, forced to start a war by the most emasculated, ineffectual, "morally sick" nation on the planet? Who's the "kek" here again?

[EmperorIng]

Note: "kek" is a corruption of "lel," which is a corruption of "lol," which is an acronym for "laugh out loud." It is not slang for "cuck," which is shorthand for "cuckold-doodle-doo," which is the sound that metrosexual New York roosters make.

[BulletMagnet]

Well, at least I learned something I can actually use from this thread.

[atheistgod1999]

Also: "LULZ" is a corruption of "L.O.L.", which stands for "Laugh Out Loud".

[quash]

it's starting to look more and more like US/UK/Russia vs EU/Middle East and perhaps China.

You really will say any fool thing that pops into your head at this point, won't you? Whenever and however Trump screws his base next I predict Mecha-Ghidorah will show up and instantly "reshuffle the deck" in his favor all over again (and any objections are just more straw). Get lost.

Yeah man, you totally pegged me. I'm crazy, I know nothing, and I don't even want to drive the upper class out of America.

The seeds have already been planted for EU antagonization towards the US. You can continue to ignore this, like you have the reasons people voted for Trump, or the reasons people have had enough of the Democrats, but it's not going to stop a damn thing. That, my friend, is as close to objective reality as you're going to get.

[ED-057]

First off, I'm sure if he'd gotten Ukraine on the line Putin would be perfectly hunky-dory with it.

What? After helping install the new regime in Ukraine, selling them weapons, the economic sanctions, and all the goings-on in Syria, you think a little chat is what Putin would be upset about? Come on.

Second, your entire argument when it comes to appeasing Russia hasn't been "well, they just plain haven't done anything we can criticize"

Well, it could be "they haven't done anything we can criticize AND not be the world champions of hypocrisy." Of course, we are the world champions of hypocrisy.

"sorry, we can't afford unnecessary distractions, especially when someone has nukes, America First, just gotta deal with hard reality here". Somehow, of course, such a simplistic narrative only applies

WW3=bad. What a simplistic narrative. Maybe we need to look at the silver lining. Like... WW3 would be a great opportunity for billionaires to test out their bomb shelters! Right?

when it comes to the country Trump's been constantly kissing up to;

the same way I'm always kissing up to pedestrians by not promising to deliberately run them down with my car

once its most comparable neighbor suddenly comes into play, now the time has all at once come to suddenly quit averting our eyes and dig out the 5-dimensional chessboard again ("nukes shmukes, we can totally play these two superpowers against each other, we're just that good!")

Are you worried that Trump's communication with a figure that the Chinese government would rather pretend didn't exist is going to make the nukes start flying? Or is this just a misguided attempt at attacking Trump by equating a little diplomatic melodrama with HRC's calls for direct military action against Russian forces in Syria?

[BryanM]

Page 139? Nobody's brought up the bestiality with neanderthals as a counterfactual yet?

We're a classy bunch. Top notch. The best.

It is not slang for "cuck," which is shorthand for "cuckold-doodle-doo,"

It could also be short for the cucker and cuckee. I suppose it differs by context; there's only one man on the planet it applies clearly and usefully to



Not a big fan of making language even more vague, imprecise and useless than it already is.

[Opus131]

Note: "kek" is a corruption of "lel," which is a corruption of "lol," which is an acronym for "laugh out loud." It is not slang for "cuck," which is shorthand for "cuckold-doodle-doo," which is the sound that metrosexual New York roosters make.

Kek comes from World of Warcraft. You guys aren't nerdy enough. I bet you even have girlfriend. Frikkin normies man, REEEEEEEE

[Domino]

There's something very broken with the Democrats when I can believe Obama might give her a blanket pardon, but there's no possibility he'll grant clemency to Manning.

Or Snowden

[BulletMagnet]

Are you worried that Trump's communication with a figure that the Chinese government would rather pretend didn't exist is going to make the nukes start flying?

You're being deliberately dense; the thing that got my attention about all this in the first place was, after how incredibly insistent Trump's supporters were throughout the election that it was so vitally important that we elect someone who wouldn't do anything to even possibly aggravate Russia, a nuclear power with iffy US relations, after it's all over Trump either trips over his own feet or deliberately provokes - take your pick - another nuclear power with iffy US relations, and this time it's suddenly not just A-OK, but a preferred outcome to letting this particular sleeping dog lie.

Do I think China's got its finger on the launch button because of this? Of course not, but I don't think Russia has its finger on the button because Clinton proposed a no-fly zone either - you do (or, more accurately, are willing to say you do), and you are the ones suddenly saying that everything is fine, no reason to worry, after freaking out every time someone sneezed on an aircraft carrier from either nation for months on end. You've gone literally overnight from "no diplomatic risks ever" to "screw those guys, U-S-A, U-S-A" (with a side dish of we can totally get some oil out of this too to boot! ); I suppose everyone's just supposed to politely not bring it up?

And yes, I'm aware that China and Russia aren't identical (if nothing else, Trump's already been badmouthing China for ages, though nobody bothered to take much note of that in real time either), but before the election there didn't seem to be much differentiation from your camp - it all boiled down to "Clinton wants WW3, Trump doesn't, that's the only important issue". Predictably, this no longer seems to be the case.

[neorichieb1971]

War, Really? On what basis? If the USA wants a war with anyone I doubt they would have allies at all.

The globe has US military stationed all over it during peace times. You will find that most other countries don't have a presence unless its been asked for. At least not on the opposite side of the world.

[Durandal]

Are you worried that Trump's communication with a figure that the Chinese government would rather pretend didn't exist is going to make the nukes start flying?

You're being deliberately dense; the thing that got my attention about all this in the first place was, after how incredibly insistent Trump's supporters were throughout the election that it was so vitally important that we elect someone who wouldn't do anything to even possibly aggravate Russia, a nuclear power with iffy US relations, after it's all over Trump either trips over his own feet or deliberately provokes - take your pick - another nuclear power with iffy US relations, and this time it's suddenly not just A-OK, but a preferred outcome to letting this particular sleeping dog lie.

Isn't this a case where painting one/either side "with such broad and extreme brushstrokes is, to put it kindly, highly unproductive?"

[BryanM]

so vitally important that we elect someone who wouldn't do anything to even possibly aggravate Russia

Nobody was saying that. You're arguing against an argument that doesn't exist. The argument that does exist is "Clinton sounds a lot like George W Bush when she talks about Syria and Russia. That's worrisome to me."

Clinton ran one of the most xenophobic campaigns in history. Apropos of a Goldwater Girl, I guess.

Every single thing was "the russians did it" or "the ruskies are bad". Bernie Sanders was a red commie that drank tea with Stalin Lenin and Mao. Putin hacked the dnc. Putin is in cahoots with Trump. We need to shoot down their planes in Syria so we can get that pipeline built. Putin is the reason I lost the election. Putin is the reason I lie when I touch myself at night. PUUUUTIN!!!!!

It was a cartoon. Vote for me because:

* I'm a woman
* Trump bad
* Russia gonna get ya

All she needed was some propaganda with racist caricatures. Since she's a republican, all she knows is fear mongering.

It was a very ugly kind of nationalism, completely inexplicable coming from a supposed democrat in 2016. At least the racist things Trump said about China were complimentary - that they're tricky and smart and kicking our ass.

Once again, you're comparing a phone call to occupying and taking over Syria. It's a little different, man. When Trump starts talking about putting ground troops in HK, then you'd have a point.

[BulletMagnet]

Isn't this a case where painting one/either side "with such broad and extreme brushstrokes is, to put it kindly, highly unproductive?"

Edit that down to "every Trump supporter on this forum who ever bothered to mention foreign policy" if that works better.

Nobody was saying that.

Did you honestly miss the whole "How Syria turns out is literally the only issue that actually matters" part of this thread?

And seriously? Clinton running the more xenophobic campaign of the two?...Maureen Dowd, is that you?

[Opus131]

She did run the more xenophobic campaign of the two. I don't see how that is even an argument.

[ED-057]

You've gone literally overnight from "no diplomatic risks ever"

This was not what anyone was saying. Again, look at all of the rhetoric and actions that have already been taken which have strained relations with Russia. It's not a question of "no risks ever," we're already well past that. The desire was "let's not keep pushing it until we find the breaking point."