Anyone use a xrgb to get 480p from their ps2 on a pvm/bvm

[peterwright1234]

Had this idea for games on ps2 that don't have 480p but I'm no expert on these things so was wondering if anyone could school me on the results. Input lag wouldn't be a huge problem for me. What would I need to feed the xrgb into my bvm d24? what cables would be the best to use outputting from the ps2?

[Fudoh]

Looks pretty good. You shouldn't use it for 240p or 480p titles, but for 480i it's an option. You would need a HDMI to component converter (quite cheap) and you would have to try wether you prefer 480p or 720p from the XRGB.

This is assuming you would be using a Framemeister. Older XRGB don't offer the brilliant 480i deinterlacing the FM has.

[peterwright1234]

i do have a framemeister. Is there a specific hdmi to component converter that is recommended or do they all yield the same results? thanks for the reply.

[Fudoh]

If money doesn't matter, get a HDFury. If it does, get the cheapest one you can find.

[amaradona]

i did use my xrgb mini in 720p with my bvm 24 with the HD input and a hdmi to bnc converter.It was brillant but to be honest doesnt worth the hassles.

[peterwright1234]

so the 12 dollar converters on ebay do the job? amaradona what hassles?

[orange808]

so the 12 dollar converters on ebay do the job? amaradona what hassles?

I have had generally bad experiences with cheap Chinese converter boxes. If you have the means, the HDFury 2 is my favorite HDMI to RGB/Component transcoder.

Hollywood sued HDFury out of the HDMI to RGB transcoding business. Great unprotected HD RGB signals are not part of their plan for us. The HDFury scared Disney because it works.

[peterwright1234]

I will get an hdfury someday but right now even getting the cheap one is stretching my budget. I guess I'll take a chance on the cheap one. What kind of bad experiences do the cheap ones provide.

[tacoguy64]

Looks pretty good. You shouldn't use it for 240p or 480p titles, but for 480i it's an option. You would need a HDMI to component converter (quite cheap) and you would have to try wether you prefer 480p or 720p from the XRGB.

This is assuming you would be using a Framemeister. Older XRGB don't offer the brilliant 480i deinterlacing the FM has.

Just a quick stupid question but why would you use a device like the FM on a monitor like that?

[peterwright1234]

Looks pretty good. You shouldn't use it for 240p or 480p titles, but for 480i it's an option. You would need a HDMI to component converter (quite cheap) and you would have to try wether you prefer 480p or 720p from the XRGB.

This is assuming you would be using a Framemeister. Older XRGB don't offer the brilliant 480i deinterlacing the FM has.

Just a quick stupid question but why would you use a device like the FM on a monitor like that?

I'm interested in deinterlacing 480i games. I prefer 480p. If i can deinterlace it without any consequences besides input lag then I don't see why not for slow paced games such as rpgs. If you mean why not do it on an modern HDtv, then the answer is that I don't have one.

[amaradona]

so the 12 dollar converters on ebay do the job? amaradona what hassles?

All these cables and extra psu sometimes are driving me nuts.I like to keep my setup with minimal hardware involved.
Otherwise, enjoy you will love it.
Before using the the hd input card, I used a cheap hdmi to component converter with no issues at all.

[Guspaz]

so the 12 dollar converters on ebay do the job? amaradona what hassles?

I have had generally bad experiences with cheap Chinese converter boxes. If you have the means, the HDFury 2 is my favorite HDMI to RGB/Component transcoder.

Hollywood sued HDFury out of the HDMI to RGB transcoding business. Great unprotected HD RGB signals are not part of their plan for us. The HDFury scared Disney because it works.

They got sued for HDCP stripping on 4K adapters, nothing to do with outputting RGB. HD Fury still makes HDMI-to-RGB/YPbPr converters, like the HDF1 Nano GX, which has an MSRP of $89. I believe the HDFURY IV is supposed to have taken over the mantle as the high-end high-quality HDMI-to-RGB/YPbPr converter.

[orange808]

so the 12 dollar converters on ebay do the job? amaradona what hassles?

I have had generally bad experiences with cheap Chinese converter boxes. If you have the means, the HDFury 2 is my favorite HDMI to RGB/Component transcoder.

Hollywood sued HDFury out of the HDMI to RGB transcoding business. Great unprotected HD RGB signals are not part of their plan for us. The HDFury scared Disney because it works.

They got sued for HDCP stripping on 4K adapters, nothing to do with outputting RGB. HD Fury still makes HDMI-to-RGB/YPbPr converters, like the HDF1 Nano GX, which has an MSRP of $89. I believe the HDFURY IV is supposed to have taken over the mantle as the high-end high-quality HDMI-to-RGB/YPbPr converter.

The Nano GX isn't going to be available after it sells out of stock. The Nano GX doesn't output component. The HDFury IV/3dFury will not be available after it sells out of stock.

And, they got sued for daring to handle 3d signals, not 4k. 3d sucks, but Hollywood thought they had a new cash cow. That's what pushed HDFury past "annoyance" and made them a "target".

They did get sued for allowing users to strip HDCP protection and output *gasp* clean RGB signals.

And, Sony didn't push out Playstation firmware upgrades to break HDFury IV compatibility because of 4k.

[Guspaz]

The Nano GX isn't going to be available after it sells out of stock.

Do you have any source for this? They announced 6 months ago that they would be force to remove the Nano GX from their website within a week. Half a year later, they still sell it.

The Nano GX doesn't output component.

It can be converted to component, although how easily would depend on if the RGB-to-Component converter can handle simple ganged H/V sync.

[orange808]

The Nano GX isn't going to be available after it sells out of stock.

Do you have any source for this? They announced 6 months ago that they would be force to remove the Nano GX from their website within a week. Half a year later, they still sell it.

The Nano GX doesn't output component.

It can be converted to component, although how easily would depend on if the RGB-to-Component converter can handle simple ganged H/V sync.

Well, HDFury counter-sued. They have evidence that the companies that sued them actually purchased, own, and use HDFury devices in their business. (Shocker! Businesses that deal in video using HDFury transcoders.)

Regardless, the current settlement agreement included yanking the HDMI to RGB transcoders in the states. The Nano GX has built in gamma control, but it doesn't output the same quality as the HDFury 2. As far as I know, the last of the good NOS HDFury transcoders are gone.

The lawsuit said "4k", but this simmered for a long time. Unlike cheap Chinese converter boxes, HDFury has been delivering proper image quality and dependable handshakes.

[Fudoh]

The European distributor still has stock of most the HDF units. Not cheap, but at least available https://www.hdfury.eu/

[Guspaz]

Monoprice is still selling the HDFury Gamer 2, the cable-based version of the HDFury 2, I believe. The HDFury Nano GX and HDFury 4 (both of which do the RGB conversion) is still available for purchase directly from HDFury.

In fact, HDFury also sells everything you need to manufacture them yourselves, including the gerber files, BOM, and source code. They're kind of expensive though, ranging from $5,000 to $25,000. Example:

https://www.hdfury.com/shop/source-gerb ... bhv-rev-1/

[D]

Off Topic, but just a reminder

1 Several 480i games can be forced to 480p with GSM+OPL.
2 For games that can be forced to 480p, The ps2 can also output in VGA SynOnGreen with the console set to RGB, using a component cable and one of those 1$ adaptors.
3 Several games can be forced to widescreen with patches

[peterwright1234]

Off Topic, but just a reminder

1 Several 480i games can be forced to 480p with GSM+OPL.
2 For games that can be forced to 480p, The ps2 can also output in VGA SynOnGreen with the console set to RGB, using a component cable and one of those 1$ adaptors.
3 Several games can be forced to widescreen with patches

nope didn't know that. This is stuff that can be used while loading games of a hard drive right? I haven't gotten around to setting thta up yet. What 1$ adapter are you talking about though?

[Fudoh]

What 1$ adapter are you talking about though?

simple RCA to BNC plugs.

Still get that FM setup running. Deinterlaced 480i is a big plus for real 480i titles. You'll enjoy it a lot. Remember that linedoubling 480i for the use with CRTs was the very reason why line doublers were invented in the first place (for 480i movie and video material on CRT projectors).

[peterwright1234]

What 1$ adapter are you talking about though?

simple RCA to BNC plugs.

Still get that FM setup running. Deinterlaced 480i is a big plus for real 480i titles. You'll enjoy it a lot. Remember that linedoubling 480i for the use of CRTs was the very reason why line doublers were invented in the first place (for 480i movie and video material on CRT projectors).

oh i've got a nice little collection of rca to bnc. Yeah I'll get all these setups going. So what would the difference be between deinterlaced 480i from the xrgb and forced 480p through the homebrew?

Thanks to everybody in this topic.

[Fudoh]

So what would the difference be between deinterlaced 480i from the xrgb and forced 480p through the homebrew?

the software solution can achieve NATIVE 480p with many titles, whichi is great and the best option. But there are still A LOT of titles which don't work with the software patching methods or which result in rather odd results (depends on how the titles are internally rendered).

The FM solution on the other hand gives you support for ALL 480i titles and it looks amazingly well.

Since you got a FM already, it's a no brainer.

[D]

The adaptor in question.
http://www.ebay.nl/itm/3-RCA-RGB-Video- ... Sw8w1YBzBY
You cannot beat the price. Can also be used on the original xbox, you just need to run a file first which will make the xbox run in vga. You can also softmod it to always run in vga, but I just start the app first before starting a game.

[peterwright1234]

When I set up my framemeister with the chinese converter I get a ghosty double image which is noticeable to the side of imagery with stark contrast (a black object will have a second outline a centimeter or two to the side of it). I didn't think too much of it cause I sold the framemeister the next day. But now I'm trying to play pc games on the bvm so i need to know whats causing this. Is it just a bunk converter? Should I spring for an hd fury? Last time I asked on here about playing a ps4 on the bvm I was told the hdfury nano would work as long as I got an extron unit to align the picture. Is that still the case with a pc? what about the hd fury gamer 2?