Skykid wrote:MintyTheCat wrote:
But no one should have to go to a specialised shop just to buy porn; I can buy porn in any local shop that sells films, there are specialised sex shops over here of course but no one has to go to them to buy pornos. Again, this is the UK being tardy and just making life more involved for normal people.
Newsagents and gas stations have been selling hardcore pornographic magazines, occasionally with the odd DVD, since I was a kid.
Harmony isn't a seedy sex shop, it's a 3 floor emporium on Oxford Street that's screamingly unconservative in its placement and encouraging doors-open nature. It's also a chain.
Besides, I actually think selling hardcore porn in designated sex shops is rather a savoury approach. There's not much liberty in exposing people to DP's every time you want to buy a bag of crisps.
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That is the issue though: the hardcore material was only permitted from sometime in the early 2000s and then banned once again.
The UK has put into place a ban on a number of acts, including spanking:
Other acts banned included spanking beyond a gentle level, full bondage and restraint (in conjunction with a gag and all four limbs restrained) and - bizarrely - female ejaculation.
Abusive language during sex is now also banned, alongside depictions of non-consensual sex.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 98541.html
Provided that the mags are covered I see no issue in selling them in Newsagents personally, but I was more over referring to media shops such as HMV and Virgin for those who remember them.
In England and Wales, it is an offence to pay for sex with a prostitute who has been "subjected to force" and this is a strict liability offence (clients can be prosecuted even if they did not know the prostitute was forced).
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 98541.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitut ... ed_Kingdom
This is exactly what I am talking about: how does one prove or disprove the use of force? You have to know and be aware either way because it is a tenet of law and thereby any person paying for sex could end up in court and receive a sentence. This all becomes rather difficult when there are no witnesses apart from the at minimum two parties involved. As I said, if it is all regulated, if there are standards and conditions and all sex-workers receive health care, checks, screenings, etc. it is safer for all involved when it is all above board.
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Skykid wrote:
I don't disagree with some of what you're saying in terms of protecting sex workers, but I think the risk factor is overrated generally. They're not getting into people's cars or anything.
My point was that it's legal though, rather than the other way around.
This is the thing though it is a fudge-law if you like and it can be construed as being legal and illegal on fairly shaky-grounds. Rather than being upfront about it the UK laws make things more involved and less obvious and instead of a situation being a matter of not breaking the law it becomes a matter of subjectivity more over and that is a recipe for trouble. I live in a city where prostitution is legal all over within the city limits and one can buy any porn pretty much should one wish to do so.
If only they could just stop cutting every single horror film in Germany we would be fine.
I can assure you that Horror films are still cut to pieces in the UK. We had a fairly big break-through when they released the Texas Chainsaw Massacre uncut back in I think 2004-2005 but that took years and years to get that. To my knowledge many of the older UK prints were simply not updated once the changes to the BBFC came into place, so for example if you or me where to buy a horror film form the 70s or 80s in the UK it would be old print that was cut. As such, any changes that come into place now really need to go back and update those prints - essentially take the prints that they have in the USA but of course that is more money to spend and often this will not happen. It is simply far, far easier to buy the US, Austrian or Japanese prints I find.
Skykid wrote:
With Texas Chainsaw Massacre I think it just took ages to get around to releasing it uncut on a commercial rerelease because no-one gave a fuck. It was on TV uncut countless times.
Otherwise I can't think of any movie being cut in decades. I might be wrong but I'd need examples.
Hardly, the film has a large fan following. Personally, I have never rated that film myself but the BBFC sat on it for years all the same.
http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/arbptcm.htm
Censorship is revealed to be an unworkable concept when censors change their minds about what is permissible. If material is deemed dangerous, corrupting, imitable, etc., then surely it must remain so, regardless of whether it's 1901 or 2001? But if, as seems to be the case, material can be reassessed and judged harmless, then it stands to reason that it was harmless in the first place, and the argument for censorship collapses. Let's look at the farrago caused by the Texas Chainsaw films, which has managed to prolong itself for nearly thirty years.
As I recall as I have very little to do with UK Horror film releases these days but Halloween 3 was cut and so was 1982's The Thing.
One of the cut scenes for H3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNf9B3sVSPE
But are talking about the same country that enacted a witch-hunt on horror in the early 1980s. I have seen Horror films, Videogames, etc. used as a scapegoat time and time again in the UK and each time it only serves to deepen the problem and occlude any real investigation's findings. There is never an apology, never a "we got it wrong" just people being scapegoated, films being banned and a general crack down on media. This all leads only one way in the end.
I think that rather bizarrely we live in an age where the powers that be just wish to invade our lives too often, too thoroughly and without any real need to do so.
We have a brigade of half-wits piping on about how a certain piece of art or media offends them. I think that although many things do not appeal to me and I do not class them as having any real value that I cannot simply say "ban it" or hold it up in red-tape for ever. If I could do that we would have no more Rap 'music'
