Earthquake has hit Japan

[GaijinPunch]

even if Japan keeps running its own nuclear they can atleast shut them down if they think a quake is due

A quake is always due.

[Aguraki]

Nuclear power plants create material that is lethal for up to 500,000 years. It irradiates millions of gallons of water. It uses fossil fuels. It only took 1 reactor (not a whole plant) to bankrupt Russia -18 billion dollars cleanup cost. Not to mention poisoning the whole Northern hemisphere.
A nuclear bomb only contains about 8kg of plutonium. Quote; "The average nuclear reactor contains about 325 kilograms of plutonium within its uranium fuel." So when a core melts down and explodes, you have far larger releases of radionuclides in the form of hot particles. After a nuclear reactor accident like Fukushima, the danger is not in the measurable radiation in the air, the danger is in ingesting these hot particles (food, water, milk).

hey I hated everything about any kind of tech we use then I saw this documentary fiction about how earth would be if human kind would happen to disappear in 1 day.
no need to say the first few months looks terrible but then they predict pretty good things and it made me way more optimistic after seeing this.
the movie is aftermath population zero http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1264068/
check it out it will brings hope to even the most depressed person.

[Cagar]

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[austere]

Here we go again https://www.rt.com/news/367700-japan-fu ... e-tsunami/

7.3 QUAKE OFF FUKUSHIMA FORCES EVACUATIONS OVER IMMINENT 3M TSUNAMI WAVES

A powerful 7.3 magnitude earthquake has struck Fukushima Prefecture in Japan, USGS reported. A three meter tsunami wave alert was issued for Fukushima, Nippon reported.
The quake struck 67km northeast of Iwaki, a city located in the southern part of the Hamadori coastal region of Fukushima Prefecture, Japan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qFKnGD2q4I

Get out if you're nearby.

UPDATE: The Daini 3 plant has lost its cooling water supply for the spent fuel pool (what the hell are they doing, did they learn nothing?)

[GaijinPunch]

Everyone -- get ready to panic and start making everything worse by posting fake news and bullshit like last time.

UPDATE: The Daini 3 plant has lost its cooling water supply for the spent fuel pool (what the hell are they doing, did they learn nothing?)

Source? I'd hope at least we could get some details on how it failed before skewering them. I won't defend Japanese bureaucracy but I do know earthquakes are kind of a fucker to prepare against 100%. You know... the whole ground moving shit.

[moozooh]

Various sources defer to NHK receiving this information from TEPCO. That said, you've got to be shitting me. Is that due to the damage or that's just what the emergency procedure on that plant looks like nowadays?

On another note, the Japanese media is now calling 60 cm waves "tsunami" (that's from their live stream). Uhh... If that's now tsunami as well, what are those waves that surfers ride in the US and Australia supposed to be called?

[GaijinPunch]

[quote="moozooh"
On another note, the Japanese media is now calling 60 cm waves "tsunami" (that's from their live stream). Uhh... If that's now tsunami as well, what are those waves that surfers ride in the US and Australia supposed to be called?[/quote]

It is a wave created by seismic activity, so yeah, it's a tsunami. NHK is basically reporting now that they are under a meter, but they're saying bigger could come so to play it safe and (obviously) get away from the water.

[GaijinPunch]

UPDATE: The Daini 3 plant has lost its cooling water supply for the spent fuel pool (what the hell are they doing, did they learn nothing?)

Restarted.

[atheistgod1999]

Why don't they stop using nuclear power? That shit is so fucking dangerous that I'd rather live in a world without electricity than one with exclusively nuclear power as its resource.

[moozooh]

The information has been revised to 7.4 magnitude, 25 km depth. The largest tsunami may reach as much as 3 meters, though it's not guaranteed.

Why don't they stop using nuclear power? That shit is so fucking dangerous that I'd rather live in a world without electricity than one with exclusively nuclear power as its resource.

Normally it's safe. It's more to do with TEPCO being retarded and ignoring safety. Japan has enormous population density and other means of (semi-)renewable energy sources aren't going to replace NPP for a while. They're building new solar power plants constantly, though.

[BryanM]

It's more to do with TEPCO being retarded and ignoring safety.

It's incredible they were allowed to not have power generators in a high place. Ridiculous corruption.

Why don't they stop using nuclear power?

Because the alternatives kill more people, possibly eventually everyone

That shit is so fucking dangerous

Using water as a coolant is really very dumb, yes. Maybe find a better material for that.

[atheistgod1999]

Just the concept sounds extremely dangerous. Japan should know how dangerous atomic power is more than anyone, considering that they're the ones that got nuked at the end of World War II.

Are NTSC-J, rancor, and the rest alright?

[moozooh]

For those who can't read Japanese, here's the translation from The Guardian:

Fukushima plant update

Tepco says the Fukushima power plant “remains intact” and safe.

The company confirms the reactor number 3 spent fuel pool pump tripped and stopped operating at 6.10am.

Operation resumed at 7.49am.

Tepco says the stoppage was caused by the tremor and “strong acceleration” at the power plant.

The quake also caused the temperature inside the reactor to increase to 29.5C from 28.7C over 90 minutes.

At 6.38am, the Fukushima Daichi and Daini plants had a tsunami wave about 1m high.

A second wave was “not very high”.

There have been no casualties at the Fukushima plant.

The highest wave measured to date has been 1.4m, near Sendai. There also doesn't appear to have been significant casualties reported with regards to the actual tremor.

[GaijinPunch]

Just the concept sounds extremely dangerous. Japan should know how dangerous atomic power is more than anyone, considering that they're the ones that got nuked at the end of World War II.

TEPCO suffers from the same problems are corporations/governments do. The levies in Louisiana were fine if you didn't get a statistically improbable storm coming through. But, of course, statistically improbable eventually happens. 3/11 was the 5th largest earthquake in recorded history (and the reactors withstood it just fine). However, not only the strength, but the perfect location & movement to knock the wave blockers down several meters (basically making them useless) and of course create the tsunami, lined up to give Touhoku a royal butt fuck.

Are NTSC-J, rancor, and the rest alright?[/quote]

Nobody that posts here anymore lives near the water... at least not North. There's also been no posted casualties.

[Giest118]

Just the concept sounds extremely dangerous. Japan should know how dangerous atomic power is more than anyone, considering that they're the ones that got nuked at the end of World War II.

Crossing the street also sounds dangerous, as a concept. You're walking across a terrain that consistently has large, heavy objects moving at high velocity with only human intelligence keeping you from getting flattened into a fine paste as you go. Humans in general should know that, since we frequently lose in fights against trucks.

[Mischief Maker]

Just the concept sounds extremely dangerous. Japan should know how dangerous atomic power is more than anyone, considering that they're the ones that got nuked at the end of World War II.

Nuclear power plants are not nuclear bombs.

[rancor]

Are NTSC-J, rancor, and the rest alright?

Checking in.

Just a bit of rocking this morning at 6am. Not the hard, jolting earthquake - rather soft and rolling.. like being on a boat. Trains were delayed a few minutes on the way to work, but everything seems fine.

[moozooh]

Well, a few injuries were reported, and water level hasn't changed much over the last 1.5 hours or so. It seems unlikely at this point that any further damage will occur. I guess this time Japan is off the hook. :p

EDIT: Yep, tsunami alert officially lifted.

[NTSC-J]

Are NTSC-J, rancor, and the rest alright?

Just barely!

It woke me up, but I did the usual wait-and-see and decided it wasn't worth getting up for so I just went back to sleep. I forgot about it until I was having my morning coffee and saw the news headline with the giant bullseye on Fukushima. A friend of mine also messaged me asking if I was still alive, but when all you have to go off of is the alarmist news, it must have seemed like Japan got destroyed again.

[quash]

I woke up right before the shocks traveled down to Kanagawa. My house sometimes shakes due to the train so I thought nothing of it at first, but quickly realized that it was something else.

In any case, the dosimeters in my area haven't changed their readings yet, but I wouldn't put it past TEPCO to make lightning strike twice.

[austere]

Fake news

Ditto about jumping the gun on fake news accusations. https://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2016/11/445354.html

Restarted

Still, they clearly learnt nothing and even now they haven't given us an explanation of why the cooling power shuts off when a tsunami hits.

At the very least they would have done a review of their control system and put contingencies in place against this scenario.

In any case, the dosimeters in my area haven't changed their readings yet, but I wouldn't put it past TEPCO to make lightning strike twice.

They basically did, it's the same mode of failure and nothing has changed. Heads need to roll.

[GaijinPunch]

Fake news

Ditto about jumping the gun on fake news accusations. https://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2016/11/445354.html

I was referring to the unending supply of it 5 years ago. However, bumping a 5 year old thread with "here we go again" knowing literally jack shit about what was happening on the ground, you definitely have a fall back career. It's fuckery like that makes other people not there but have loved ones in the area freak the fuck out.

Still, they clearly learnt nothing and even now they haven't given us an explanation of why the cooling power shuts off when a tsunami hits.

They did.

福島第二原発３号機では、午前６時１０分ごろ、使用済み燃料を冷却するための水をためるタンクの水位が低下したことを示す警報が鳴り、プールへの送水が停止しました。

At 06:10, The water level of the tank which cools spent rods [lit: used fuel] lowered, cashing an alarm to sound, and the water going to the pool stopped.

They later go on to say the temperature only went up 1 degree. I'm sure there's a bit more to it than that, but that was released as the proverbial shit was hitting the fan.

They basically did, it's the same mode of failure and nothing has changed. Heads need to roll.

Japan would just have all their problems solved if you were there.

[moozooh]

Still, they clearly learnt nothing and even now they haven't given us an explanation of why the cooling power shuts off when a tsunami hits.

IIRC this was a result of the tremor itself, not the tsunami.

That said, while I do share GP's concern regarding alarmism, it does make you wonder as to what changes have been instated for the cases of a more powerful earthquake. If a 7.4, 25 km deep EQ can turn off a coolant pump, what would a somewhat shallower and higher magnitude one do? I mean it's not like they're rare in Japan. One will certainly occur. And it's not like their reactor failures are Japan's personal problem; it affects many other nations.

[austere]

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Love how you entered the thread claiming the breaking news was fake and then saying it was alarmism, given that if you bothered watching the TV link from Japan they were actively telling people to evacuate. Didn't bother following the link did you? All I did was relay what the Japanese news was telling people to do. That's a crime according to you, GaijinPunch?

Also love the alarmist claim, given that the issue is still outstanding and still destroying the ocean. But hey, let's listen to TEPCO, they sure have had a GREAT track record and totally didn't lie throughout the crisis which is still on-going.

IIRC this was a result of the tremor itself, not the tsunami.

Here's the problem, according to TEPCO, at the time, the cause was unknown. This in itself is the problem.

That said, while I do share GP's concern regarding alarmism

See previous reply.

And it's not like their reactor failures are Japan's personal problem; it affects many other nations.

I agree, whenever Japan's nuclear industry screws up, and it does very regularly, despite the shinny clean image GP is trying to imply, the entire planet and environment suffers.

[GaijinPunch]

Love how you entered the thread claiming the breaking news was fake and then saying it was alarmism, given that if you bothered watching the TV link from Japan they were actively telling people to evacuate. Didn't bother following the link did you? All I did was relay what the Japanese news was telling people to do. That's a crime according to you, GaijinPunch?

The "like last time" in my original post should have made it clear what I was referring to. When I quoted you asking for the source, it was more to poke holes in the "have they learned nothing?". W/o a source nobody really knows the cause (and you admittedly didn't) at which point stating "have they learned nothing" is jumping the gun at least.

Also love the alarmist claim, given that the issue is still outstanding and still destroying the ocean.

Make sure you go post all that on facebook.

IIRC this was a result of the tremor itself, not the tsunami.

Here's the problem, according to TEPCO, at the time, the cause was unknown. This in itself is the problem.

B/c they're going to rush right out and announce exactly the cause w/o giving it due process.

despite the shinny clean image GP is trying to imply, the entire planet and environment suffers.

I'm only here to add realism. Honestly it seems you're quite upset that nothing uncontrollable happened. And as someone who had and still has an order of magnitude more horses in this race than you, I don't use shiny clean and TEPCO in the same sentence. However, dick holes that scream the sky is falling every chance they get do irreparable damage, of which the interwebs seems to be filled with many.

In closing: I find it far more relieving to see a failure and a quick recovery than no failure at all.

[atheistgod1999]

This is kinda off-topic, but I read that some huge mall in South Korea collapsed 21 years ago and wasn't evacuated despite them knowing it was gonna several hours before. Considering that, subways in Japan, and the nuclear plant, I'm wondering: is no regard for safety measures a common thing in Asia or something?

[Giest118]

Yeah. They fucking hate peaceful citizens over there in east Asia.

[GaijinPunch]

This is kinda off-topic, but I read that some huge mall in South Korea collapsed 21 years ago and wasn't evacuated despite them knowing it was gonna several hours before. Considering that, subways in Japan, and the nuclear plant, I'm wondering: is no regard for safety measures a common thing in Asia or something?

Go look up a statistics on railway deaths by cuntry (not including suicides -- which will be the hard part). Doesn't even have to be per capita. Let me know if Japan even places on that.

[atheistgod1999]

Go look up a statistics on railway deaths by cuntry (not including suicides -- which will be the hard part). Doesn't even have to be per capita. Let me know if Japan even places on that.

I meant stuff like this.

[moozooh]

Well, to be fair they aren't yet at a point where they can just videogame extra landmass and new modes of transport out so that urban areas don't have to be this cramped. Have you seen Moscow subway? It's pretty much the same thing, just without the helpful public servants stuffing you in so that trains can depart on time.