Vizio 2016 D Series Thread

[orange808]

Let's discuss the 2016 D series panels here.

(My sincere apologies for hijacking the OSSC thread. Let's use this thread to keep the OSSC thread on track.)

[BazookaBen]

Are these the ones that can do 120hz 1080p from a PC?

[orange808]

Are these the ones that can do 120hz 1080p from a PC?

Mine doesn't. It's 60Hz.

Like most manufacturers, Vizio obfuscates their refresh rate. The panel refreshes at 60Hz. Vizio decided that their backlight strobing (and the ability to interpolate 24Hz and 30Hz signals) gives their panel "120Hz effective refresh".

[bobrocks95]

It could still be overclockable and forced to display in 120Hz.

[Bahn Yuki]

Great tv I have a 40" as my computer monitor. It's rather excellent for picture quality and I love its built in media player. Orange can you post us the results you've head with your lag tester? I'm trying to reduce motion blur on this display.

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[orange808]

Great tv I have a 40" as my computer monitor. It's rather excellent for picture quality and I love its built in media player. Orange can you post us the results you've head with your lag tester? I'm trying to reduce motion blur on this display.

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edit: Vizio d50u-d1

Leo Bodnar on latest firmware. Stock Game Mode setting with Clear Action disabled.

Spoiler

Spoiler

My settings may not make you happy. Mitigating ghosting, blur, and crosstalk is a trade off. Turn on Clear Action, reduce the backlight, reduce the contrast, and find a balance you can tolerate.

[Xyga]

It could still be overclockable and forced to display in 120Hz.

I think it's only their 60" and up models allowing that.

[Bahn Yuki]

Well the great thing about this TV is that I haven't had any desyncs with SNES on the OSSC in line triple mode. I haven't tried 480x2 yet, but it didn't work on my 75" P series. Also in the OSSC thread I mentioned what Matt McRae said about backlight effecting input delay. I forgot that it was referring to the 2016 P series TV. It could be different for the D series.

Anyway you should post your settings anyway. i personally enjoy the "vivid" look for video games. Also using my GTX 1080 with Nvidia FastSync is pretty remarkable. I do miss my Gsync monitor for some things, but I felt the pros out weigh the cons.

$400 Gsync 1080p 24" TN Panel vs $300 UHDTV 40" VA was pretty much a no brainer to me.

[StarCreator]

Which model number TV is this exactly? We had taken a 720p Leo Bodnar to one and didn't get numbers nearly that good; either it was a different TV or the scaling engine didn't like being fed 720.

[orange808]

Which model number TV is this exactly? We had taken a 720p Leo Bodnar to one and didn't get numbers nearly that good; either it was a different TV or the scaling engine didn't like being fed 720.

model# d50u-d1

rtings.com and my results are very close.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/d-series-4k-2016

I personally enjoy the "vivid" look for video games.

Well, this is why I avoid posting settings. The Vivid look isn't my thing; I don't like oversaturated color. Also, the blue hue can be satisfying for PC input, but it makes consoles look awful.

Just find what works best for you.

The ability to make and save custom display profiles (and name them) makes me happy. That way I can tweak the display for all the different signals in my setup.

[BONKERS]

Seems like it would be a good 4k set, if it supported 4:4:4. But no Vizio has ever properly supported it.

[Voultar]

Has anyone clocked the input latency of the 55" variant of this series?

I'm interested in that one!

[orange808]

Seems like it would be a good 4k set, if it supported 4:4:4. But no Vizio has ever properly supported it.

#include print
#include funcFindOptions

boolean bSub_1_frame_latency = true
boolean bLarge_Display = true
boolean b4:4:4 = true
boolean bOptions = funcFindOptions(bSub_1_frame_latency, bLarge_Display, b4:4:4)


print(bOptions)
end


]run
bOptions = NULL

]_


Null set.

[BazookaBen]

^and that's why I'm sticking with 21" PC CRT's for the near future

[orange808]

Hi Def NES doesn't want to display both HDMI out and analog signal. With that said, I did manage to get the clock in the 240p test suite to display on a CRT while running the NES to the Vizio over HDMI.

This establishes a lag test we can do with a camera, Hi Def NES, HDMI display, and a good CRT. I wish the timer numbers showed up instead of just the clock, but it is a nice new tool to have. (The Dreamcast microphone test is easy, but it requires the sound to follow the same path as video. The Leo Bodnar is nice, but it only tests 720p and 1080p directly.)

The Vizio tests at a frame of lag with motion strobing "Clear Action" active.

This is about what I would expect, because the Leo Bodnar result for game mode with clear action active is 20ms. Leo Bodnar results are known to be a little high, so a frame sounds about right.

Spoiler

[orange808]

OSSC 720p line triple support is confirmed on D50u-D1 (50" 4k Vizio 2016 D Series)
Stable picture with SNES using retrogamingcables.co.uk SCART CSYNC cable and 1-chip SNES.

[accaris]

I have the 32-inch 2016 D-series. I bought it for the reportedly low input lag and excellent black levels. The input lag is definitely quite low, even through component. If you use composite on a 240p source and enable game mode, it does some kind of single field deinterlacing, which allows 30hz effects and drop shadows to work properly and almost all input lag is eliminated. (I don't actually plan to use composite for anything, however.)

The black levels and black uniformity are definitely top notch. 480p looks good. I don't have any complaints.

[orange808]

I have the 32-inch 2016 D-series. I bought it for the reportedly low input lag and excellent black levels. The input lag is definitely quite low, even through component. If you use composite on a 240p source and enable game mode, it does some kind of single field deinterlacing, which allows 30hz effects and drop shadows to work properly and almost all input lag is eliminated. (I don't actually plan to use composite for anything, however.)

The black levels and black uniformity are definitely top notch. 480p looks good. I don't have any complaints.

Interesting. What's the model number?

For clarity:

The d50u-d1 4k does not support 240p on any input. Supported component/composite input registers about 4 frames of lag.

(I wouldn't want anyone to purchase one and believe that plug and play 240p will work.)

The 50" 4k only has one high speed low lag HDMI input (HDMI-5) suitable for gaming. All other inputs are garbage (around 4 frames of lag).

[Voultar]

The D55U-D1 looks interesting, to me. Every review I've read though is a bit different on the input latency numbers.

[Guspaz]

240p support on a digital monitor isn't nearly as important as OSSC support, however, and everything that I've heard indicates that the D55U-D1 supports both Line2x and Line3x from the OSSC.

[Voultar]

Hi Def NES doesn't want to display both HDMI out and analog signal. With that said, I did manage to get the clock in the 240p test suite to display on a CRT while running the NES to the Vizio over HDMI.

This establishes a lag test we can do with a camera, Hi Def NES, HDMI display, and a good CRT. I wish the timer numbers showed up instead of just the clock, but it is a nice new tool to have. (The Dreamcast microphone test is easy, but it requires the sound to follow the same path as video. The Leo Bodnar is nice, but it only tests 720p and 1080p directly.)

The Vizio tests at a frame of lag with motion strobing "Clear Action" active.

This is about what I would expect, because the Leo Bodnar result for game mode with clear action active is 20ms. Leo Bodnar results are known to be a little high, so a frame sounds about right.

Spoiler

Your findings are accurate. The Hi-DEF NES "can" have around 4ms of latency via HDMI. If you take that into account and offset, you have around 14ms of actual display latency.

[Voultar]

Sorry to double post. But I've been doing some lag tests with this D58U-D3. RetroRGB said he snagged a D40U-D3 and was getting over 2.5 frames with his testing on just the TV alone.

Here's the testing methodology:

The D58u-D3 was tested only with HDMI Port #5, with game mode enabled and clear action disabled.

An RGB modded Twin Famicom is outputting RGB to an XRGB-Mini that's paired with the D58U as well as composite to a 36" Sony Trinitron.

This figure is consistent across ALL output resolution modes of the XRGB-Mini. There is no difference between 480P, 720P and 1080P.

I captured videos as 120FPS. Meaning; 2 frames of video is the equivalent to 1 frame of input latency. This should give us ±8.3ms of resolution in each frame of video.



Setting aside the panel refresh. This baby paired with a Frameister has <2 frames of input latency. I'm not exactly sure what the XRGB-Mini itself measures with the Firmware that's installed on mine, but that's pretty fricken' outstanding for a 58" panel!!!!

[Fudoh]

I'm not exactly sure what the XRGB-Mini itself measures with the Firmware that's installed on mine

24ms.

Nice results. Still a shame that Vizios aren't available over here in Europe.

[Voultar]

I'm not exactly sure what the XRGB-Mini itself measures with the Firmware that's installed on mine

24ms.

Nice results. Still a shame that Vizios aren't available over here in Europe.

Is Vizio a brand only in the states? I didn't know this!

I've posted a video of the 720P capture directly on my website. It's in a Zip file, and the video is raw. If anyone else wants to check my work!

http://voultar.com/Framemeister720P.rar

Just use VLC media player or something that will allow you to step through the video frame by frame. Remember, EACH time you step is 1/2 of a frame. It takes 2 to make 1!


I'm pretty convinced that this 58" panel has a sub frame of input latency.

[Guspaz]

Vizio is an American brand, but their products are not limited to the USA. They're also sold in Canada and Mexico.

[Voultar]

D58u-D3 with game mode disabled on HDMI Port #5:




6 frames with the Framemeister.

However, enabling clear action offers no meaningful penalty in latency. Maybe 1 or 2 ms at the very most. My results are virtually the same as with clear action disabled. still right at or under 2 frames with the Framemeister.



I'd wager that this D58u-D3 has closer to 10ms in latency. I know the Leo Bodnar test scored it as 13.5ms, but that also takes pixel fill-rate/response into account. I'm still kinda in a state of disbelief over this thing.

[citrus3000psi]

Voultar you will get more accurate results with the TV's side by side. I have a D-Series too, they are pretty quick. I just ordered a dreamcast mic, I want to try and get things more accurate than just guessing what a half frame/quarter frame is.

[bobrocks95]

If you want low lag, you're stuck with just the one HDMI port, right? Wouldn't be bad with a receiver setup I guess, but it's a little unfortunate.

[Voultar]

Voultar you will get more accurate results with the TV's side by side. I have a D-Series too, they are pretty quick. I just ordered a dreamcast mic, I want to try and get things more accurate than just guessing what a half frame/quarter frame is.

If you want to be precise you're going to need a 1000fps camera in order to achieve a 1 millisecond resolution per frame of film/video.

If you want low lag, you're stuck with just the one HDMI port, right? Wouldn't be bad with a receiver setup I guess, but it's a little unfortunate.

Yeah, every other input is around 4.5 frames, unfortunately. Fortunately HDMI switchers have dropped considerably in price.

[citrus3000psi]

If you want to be precise you're going to need a 1000fps camera in order to achieve a 1 millisecond resolution per frame of film/video.

OK