Prelude to the Apocalypse

[Emuser]

I'm not sure what you guys have seen, but since Trump was announced the winner, everything feels different. I have constant headaches I can't get rid with medicine but instead with liquor. I'm legit anxious at work, tensions are high and I have personally witnessed racism and bullying in a Walmart store(it's more the detail of what was said that got to me).

The days have dragged depressingly and painfully slow. Facebook is a shitstorm and all my friends are up to each other's necks arguing with each other about which side is right or wrong. I myself was not attached to Hillary or Trump because I saw them both as horrible candidates. The truth in reality is that both sides are acting inappropriately, there is no correct side and everyone involving themselves is being disgusting. Angry protesters completely blocked off a highway next to downtown to bitch about Trump winning, they didn't give a shit that there was an ambulance rushing to save someones life. Because of their incompetence, an innocent person died because a bunch of stupid SJW teenagers cried that they didn't have their way. When Obama won 2008 and 2012, there weren't people that were rioting the streets and protesting his victory. For the "Tolerant" Left, they sure knew how to act mature when the day before they were promoting love trumps hate and the following they are looting, rioting, and setting things on fire including our flag.

The most disgusting thing about the fact that Trump was announced the winner of this election is not the fact that he won and will be our next president, but the way both sides are acting now. I'll tell you all the truth, I didn't vote. I didn't fucking vote. I could not bring it in me to lay down a vote on either of the big two politicians, I feel like making a vote when you don't know what you're voting for and don't feel like you truly endorse 100% is ignorant. That being said, this is a nutshell of how it went trying to stay out of the election:

"Do you support Hillary?" No. "You Trump loving racist!"
"Do you support Trump?" No. "You Hillbot loving facist!"
"So what you're gonna vote 3rd party as a way to act rebelliously?" No, voting 3rd party has never done a thing, and until the day it does make an impact, I will stop saying that. "You're a terrible human being! Get out there and vote! If you don't vote, you're a Nazi!"
also, after all that:
"WHAT THE FUCK HOW COULD YOU ALL LET TRUMP WIN I TOLD YOU TO VOTE! IF ONLY YOU VOTED WE COULD HAVE STOPPED THIS."

So that's what's happening on the side of hardcore Democrats. On the side of Republicans, a bunch of fucking idiots are taking Trump's victory as an excuse to be absolutely as racist and awful as fuck. It's bad, like REALLY bad here where my surrounding area is a blueberry surrounded by an ocean of blood. As for Trump himself, I'm not throwing a temper tantrum, I don't know what to expect because Bernie has been 50/50 on working with him instead of flat out opposing Trump which surprised me. It's his idiot loonies that think just because he won they can display their racism openly that disgust me the most. If it was not illegal for me to kill racists like the ones I've seen the past couple of days, I would take it upon myself to wipe the ungrateful degenerates off the face of the planet.

And you know what the worst part about it is? Trump hasn't even moved into the office yet. He hasn't even taken action on anything that would remotely effect us today. Imagine what happens once he's in office, or impeached or even further yet the next election in 4 years. All of his crazy racist bigots doing what they are doing right now are going to loot and riot and pillage the moment Trump tells them to if Trump is going to be kicked out and doesn't get his way. This is highly unlike a post I normally ever make, and it sounds borderline conspiracy theory or some other shit, but I wouldn't be saying this if I didn't see it before my very eyes. The moment Trump gets kicked out of office, loses going for a 2nd term, or dies, everyone living here better get fucking ready because no telling what is going to happen.

[Mischief Maker]

That reminds me, Opus! Have you told any feminazis to go fuck themselves yet? Was it everything you hoped for?

[Giest118]

I was thinking it would be the people that would be the worst part of this horseshit, rather than Trump himself.

[ED-057]

I think I've found the portal to BulletMagnet's objective realty.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

In a similar vein: http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/11/dona ... ebook.html

Facebook allowed Trump to directly combat the hugely negative media coverage directed at him, simply by giving his campaign and its supporters another host of channels to distribute counterprogramming. This, precisely, is why more good journalism would have been unlikely to change anyone’s mind: The Post and the Times no longer have a monopoly on information about a candidate.

Oh no! Where's muh good journalism!?!?

[Ed Oscuro]

Nate Silver's got a post that takes the wind out of some pro-Trump arguments.

Funny how the party whose supporters cry "ELITISM!" have done so well thanks to the Electoral College (not to mention the off-year elections) recently.

That's a bit besides the major point here - we were only a point or two away from the electoral college flipping. Trumpites can't crow too much about the will of the people, so Trump's challenge is to stick to the spirit of his magnanimous victory speech.

a blueberry surrounded by an ocean of blood.

Yeah, that's how it went down for a lot of big cities and affluent areas. Philadelphia was one example. Stay strong, brother, you can survive this!

[Durandal]

Just like the celebrities, I'm considering movng to Serbia. Because without the climate change control programs, I might be one of the first to go considering I'm living right next to a bunch of dykes, and you can only build them so high before the global water levels start rising out of control. Besides, it helps if you are living in probably the only pro-Russia country in Europe once the Russians arrive, and can speak the language relatively well.

[Durandal]

After Trump gets elected, CNN presentator Van Jones goes from 'Trump is a racist who won due whitelash' to 'you cannot script a better human being' rimjobbing yesman within hours

EDIT: Meanwhile,

[quash]

Stop whining about the electoral college. It's been the basis of American presidential elections for as long as America's existed. Everyone knows the rules and everyone plans their strategy around it. The popular vote means nothing until we have an entire election based around it; who knows how voter turnout would have differed in California if all the Trump supporters knew that their votes would actually count for something?

And for Christ's sake, the Democrats have established a built in advantage using this very system and still resort to voter fraud. You have no grounds on which to complain.

It is also worth noting that not all votes have been counted yet.

[Skykid]

It's very clear to me that Donald Trump won because of people who didn't vote. It's the same issue as with Brexit: it's to do with complacency.

If everyone who had a political affiliation who is eligible actually voted, America would be permanently democrat, every single time. That's why we keep hearing the words "the silent majority" - it's true. All the vocal people are saying Trump's a retard on TV and on the internutz, but all the Trump supporters just shut the fuck up, then got out of bed and made their votes on the day.

The vocal democrats stayed in bed.

America has a population of over 230 million, with eligible voters in the range of 170 million approximately. Only 50 million of that number bothered to vote.

So when I see these downtown LA protests over Trump's win, I just think fuck you. You want it to go the other way, fucking vote. Don't talk. I respect the fact that in this case there were two assholes as candidates and that convinced many not to vote either way - but if that's the case you can't cry about it after.

In the end Trump is president based on the tardiness of the US population. Next time you want to actually have the desired result, go to the polling booth. Brexit was a result of the same thing.

[Xyga]

I love it how they were all about not conceding and start uprising if Trump lost, and now they're pleasuring themselves playing offended that people protest and criticize the electoral system.

'Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty' has been at the core of the Alt-Right nazi Russian trolls communication strategy since the beginning of that campaign.

After months spent insulting and threatening like 90% of humanity if not more, they'll shamelessly demand respect every fucking day.

I know the next 4 years (and most probably much beyond) will basically be porn for nazis and bigots, and this thread will continue to be the sticky-stinking wanking cabin of our adorable members who'll enjoy it...

But we'll also enjoy seeing them more and more showing their true colors every day (if there was any doubt left).

[Durandal]

The recent protests do make the whole thing about Trump refusing to concede if he loses rather...
Both sides suck!

[quash]

The electoral system is fucked, but everything is planned around that fuckery.

It's not as if Hillary herself hasn't done her fair share of complaining, either.

[trap15]

So when I see these downtown LA protests over Trump's win, I just think fuck you. You want it to go the other way, fucking vote.

The votes of the people in LA (and all of California and many other states) literally don't matter though. As in they had actually 0% chance to influence the election. Now do you understand the protesting?

[Skykid]

So when I see these downtown LA protests over Trump's win, I just think fuck you. You want it to go the other way, fucking vote.

The votes of the people in LA (and all of California and many other states) literally don't matter though. As in they had actually 0% chance to influence the election. Now do you understand the protesting?

Yes, I know that, and that's down to the US having a *really* shitty electoral system. State majorities should be abolished, it's just fucking dumb.

But the point doesn't change: it's democrats up in arms that Trump got in. It doesn't matter whether you were a state denied of any meaningful vote; blame the rest of the lazy fucks in the other states who didn't move their asses when it counted. 50 Million total voters out of 170 mil potential voters is just useless. They're all on their fat asses playing Warcraft and masturbating to pink ponies!

[Xyga]

You know purposedly bringing the campaign (or debate topics whatever) to unsightly trash/mudfight level is also an old tactics of populists, the aim is to drag the opponent to the same level of stupidity and naturally beat them to it, the more civilized people will then boycott the polls in disgust.

The demographics the populist side targets will not be fazed by the horrors their candidate will say, on the contrary it will galvanize them even more.

It's simple but efficient; the moment the other, more 'mainstream' candidate makes the mistake of stepping into the mudfight arena he's de facto at a great disadvantage, because he's not as good at that kind of fighting.
The only way to counter is by overwhelming the trash specialist with wits, but it requires more focus and resourcefulness, in any case a much harder position to be in.

PS: also called 'The Bullshit Asimmetry' : the amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.

[NTSC-J]

America has a population of over 230 million, with eligible voters in the range of 170 million approximately. Only 50 million of that number bothered to vote.

Where are these numbers from? The US population is almost 320 million with 231 million eligible voters of which over 131 million voted. Still pretty shitty, but not as bad as 50 out of 170.

[Rob]

I'm not sure what you guys have seen, but since Trump was announced the winner, everything feels different.

You've about described where I'm at. We just have to settle down, take long walks and eat our vegetables.

On the side of Republicans, a bunch of fucking idiots are taking Trump's victory as an excuse to be absolutely as racist and awful as fuck.

I have noticed this too - a little drunk on their imagined dominance, or just drunk. They should get acquainted with post-election PC Trump for a reminder of how to act in polite society.

[Skykid]

America has a population of over 230 million, with eligible voters in the range of 170 million approximately. Only 50 million of that number bothered to vote.

Where are these numbers from? The US population is almost 320 million with 231 million eligible voters of which over 131 million voted. Still pretty shitty, but not as bad as 50 out of 170.

Sorry, I got that completely mixed up, I had a US guy sitting with me giving me the numbers! We've been talking about it for a while.

[GaijinPunch]

And for Christ's sake, the Democrats have established a built in advantage using this very system and still resort to voter fraud. You have no grounds on which to complain.

Now you're just sounding like you. Electoral college gives low-populace areas a heavier weight. Montana has 3 electorates and a handful of registered voters. Kind of neither here nor there. It won't work if we get a real 3rd party.

Yes, I know that, and that's down to the US having a *really* shitty electoral system. State majorities should be abolished, it's just fucking dumb.

The parties should ditch the super delegates to start with. They'd have won this time if they did.

I had a US guy sitting with me

Sounds painful

[Durandal]

Hillary Clinton: Worst Presidential Campaign in American History
Y/N?

[Mischief Maker]

Hillary Clinton: Worst Presidential Campaign in American History
Y/N?

You mean a campaign entirely built on playing quotes from your opponent while little kids frown at the TV isn't a winning strategy?

[BryanM]

I'm actually worried about Tim Kaine now. Intellectually, I know it's impossible for him to break 2% in the primary. Instinctually, I fear they'll do some fuckery to somehow install him.

And you know what that'll result in? A brand new political dynasty:

If Democrats are this stupid, not only will Donald be re-elected in 2020, but in 2024 Ivanka Trump can run and win and win re-election in 2028, Tiffany Trump will win in 2032 and 2036 and then Barron Trump 2040 and 2044.

Oh no! Where's muh good journalism!?!?

Everyone's fault but Hillary's. Time Kaine 2020!

It's bad, like REALLY bad here where my surrounding area is a blueberry surrounded by an ocean of blood.

Is this Austin? It sounds like Austin.

I don't know what to expect because Bernie has been 50/50 on working with him instead of flat out opposing Trump which surprised me.

Sanders will support good things and oppose bad things. He expects Trump is a fraud who won't do jack shit for the working man (as everyone thinks), but might as well give the guy the opportunity to prove himself a modern republican first. If at least it helps reduce riots any.

blame the rest of the lazy fucks in the other states who didn't move their asses when it counted

I agree with you. Every single person who didn't vote for Bernie in the primaries is responsible for electing Donald Trump. (Which includes California on a massive scale. We really needed them and they weren't there when it counted.)

After that fell through, it was a forgone conclusion it was going to be Too Close For Comfort.

The demographics the populist side targets will not be fazed by the horrors their candidate will say, on the contrary it will galvanize them even more.

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Electoral college

I don't think this time had any overly fancy or complicated factors going on.

Clinton was running in the party of the $50k and under crowd. She thought she could get more votes by appealing to the $100k and over crowd. She was dead wrong - the rich like Trump's juicy massive universal tax cuts and the repeal of Dodd-Frank more than Clinton's pick and choose exemptions for her buddies.

You've gotta pick a side. You can't triangulate these days.

The parties should ditch the super delegates to start with. They'd have won this time if they did.

If you're saying Sanders would have won without the supers here, he wouldn't have. Without them, it was 2,205 - 1,846 Clinton. ... fucking unfortunately.

The republicans don't have super delegates. They... believe in actual democracy. (Though they did do some primary fuckery - the winner take all delegate system was supposed to protect a Mitt Romney guy from late challengers like Herman Cain and such. It was quite amusing how that turned out.)

Hillary Clinton: Worst Presidential Campaign in American History
Y/N?

Yes. It's extraordinarily difficult to point to things they did that would help her win. She literally hired marketing fucks who don't show shit about politics or humans to do her PR.

She lost to the most disliked Candidate in history, with every material advantage on her side. The ruling class has rarely ever been so united on one person before. There is no historical precedent for a fuckup so massive. Her ambition was to get her face on money. Instead, they'll be making fun of her in history class a hundred years from now.

[Skykid]

I had a US guy sitting with me

Sounds painful

He's an awesome old chap!

[Mischief Maker]

Hillary Clinton: Worst Presidential Campaign in American History
Y/N?

Also:

Disqualify him, defeat him, unify the party later.

Party Unity will come later. Right?

[mvsfan]

Skykid is basically right. People are lazy and would rather play angry birds than vote.

i saw several isegments on tv where people go out and ask the folks on the street who they are voting for or they ask them about the issues and a lot of people either say im not voting, or they have no idea whatsoever about the issues.

this is what we are living with and what Bernie and to a lesser extent Hillary was up against.

with that said, im out.

[BryanM]

Candidate for worst person on earth Glenn McCoy draws vastly superior political cartoon than hack fraud Bennett.

We're living in bizarro world.

Skykid is basically right. People are lazy and would rather play angry birds than vote.

That's absolute bullshit.

Millennial turnout:

2016: 19%
2008: 51%

Clinton dismissed young people. Young people dismissed her in turn. Give them the opportunity to vote against the neoliberalism that's killing them, they'll turn out, hard.

Stop blaming the fucking voters. Other countries have elections with 70%+ turnouts. "People" aren't lazy about this, Americans aren't "special" snowflakes that are shittier than the people in other countries. You know what's different about Iceland's election and the USA 2016 election? Iceland didn't have candidates with a disapproval rating of 65% across the board.

Stop offering us human garbage and you'll be living in an FDR paradise again.

[quash]

Now you're just sounding like you. Electoral college gives low-populace areas a heavier weight. Montana has 3 electorates and a handful of registered voters. Kind of neither here nor there. It won't work if we get a real 3rd party.

As much as Nate Silver may want to deny it, the electoral college typically favors the Democrats. There's a reason most recent elections narrowed down to Ohio and Florida. The only reason this election was different was because enough traditionally blue states flipped.

Remember how Trump couldn't win unless he won Florida? That was based on established voting trends. But this election was so different that he could've won without Florida or Ohio.

If we get a real third party, it just means elections will start going to Congress, which basically ensures political hegemony (past the degree we've had, that is).

You're right that the electoral college does give more weight to individual votes in smaller states, but typically the vast amount of electoral votes from the more populated states overwhelm the aggregate electoral votes from smaller states. That wasn't the case this time, but it's hardly reason enough to change the system.

[mvsfan]

I am a Millenial. i was born in 1981.

[orange808]

Idiots!

The Democratic party does not control any branch of the US government.

None. Nada.

There is only one problem: not enough people have been voting for Democrats.

[Damocles]

Voter turnout could be drastically improved by either moving election day to the weekend or making it a holiday. We're one of the few countries that hasn't figured this out. ...or we're intentionally ignoring it.