Prelude to the Apocalypse

[Skykid]

You know, about three weeks ago in my US History class, we were reading the Declaration of Independence, and it said that if the government is corrupt, the people have the right to overthrow it and make a new one. I wonder if we're now at that point.

You were at that point a long time ago, it's just everyone is a teevee guzzling commercially indoctrinated propagandized potato so they're too sidetracked and lazy to identify the threat.

Too late now anyway. Take up arms and tanks will be rolling down your street blowing holes in houses.

[quash]

The internal analyses on the several possibilities of a new civil war all factor in the following points:

- Nearly half of the US military defecting off the bat, with more leaving as the war continues/becoming saboteurs
- Power grids and plumbing being targeted/controlled almost immediately
- Foreign countries with a significant stake in the war backing whichever side benefits them most

The government fears you, and with good reason: a civil war means the end of the government as we know it.

This is why I think a civil war is actually more likely under Trump than Clinton; the establishment has already been significantly set back in this case, and may become desperate enough to start it. On the other hand, a Clinton presidency is a crash course to WW3, which may lead to a civil war during or after the war anyways, so yeah.

Basically, we're fucked. For all the crazy shit Ron Paul ran his campaign on (my personal favorite being a return to the gold standard), he was right about this all along.

[BryanM]

A civil war is impossible. It's not that hard to build cost/benefit matrixes and see that. "Quitting my cushy guaranteed for life socialist job in order to become homeless and then dead" is not a popular career path for the average human.

[quash]

To an extent, I agree. Bread and circuses and all that. That's why I think it's more likely for the government to fire the first shot than viceversa. Of course, we'd have the media reporting that it was a white supremacist cell which would give the CIA the green light to militarize BLM, etc.

This would be a last ditch power grab in the event Trump wins and dismantles the existing power structure; because if it fails, the whole jig is up. Hence why they see literal nuclear war as the better solution: that way, nobody wins.

[BulletMagnet]

Of course, we'd have the media reporting that it was a white supremacist cell which would give the CIA the green light to militarize BLM, etc.

Wait, I thought Obama was supposed to send the secret signal to the inner cities so black people knew it was finally time to drop the act and slaughter all the whites...after, of course, he took all our guns away (and imposed Sharia law) to leave us defenseless. Guess the timeline has fallen behind schedule?

[EDIT: Actually, an addendum to my previous question to the Trump crowd: when do we finally get to call out the screaming mimis who were frantically warning us of the Obamapocalypse - most of whom, naturally, have now hopped on the Hillarygeddon train - as indisputably full of shit? When do we at last get to say "why the hell should anyone still listen to a single thing you say?" Is there ever a way the Alex Jones crowd could fail so spectacularly you'd admit "yeah, they just pulled all that stuff out of their ass, and I was a moron to repeat it"? From where I'm standing I'm not sure there is, and that should scare the hell out of all of you, let alone me.]

Again, it'd be a funnier troll if people didn't actually believe this line again and again - and, somehow, always end up supporting someone who'll give a huge tax cut to The Big Bad Establishment every time they do - no matter how many times it turns out to be complete, shameless garbage.

[Mischief Maker]

Of course, we'd have the media reporting that it was a white supremacist cell which would give the CIA the green light to militarize BLM, etc.

D'oh! You're letting your true Trump Supporter colors show again! Stick with that whole "secret military info about the Russians" angle, you're more credible that way.

Of course I'm the true racist by daring to bring the subject up.

Can't you prop up Trump by discussing his positive policy positions instead of just saying the Russians will nuke us if he loses? I mean Clinton has a GREAT platform by the standards of New Democrats, the only fears people have are that she won't actually deliver on it. Why not get people fired up for Trump by explaining how a giant wall to keep out migrant fruit pickers is going to massively revitalize the economy?

[BryanM]

When the truth is so dark and horrible as it is... yeah those guys exist to cry wolf at everything to obfuscate what's real and what's bullshit, therefore enabling the Clintons.

The truth: Citigroup bought the government in 2008. Goldman Sachs bought it in 2016. Which bank is going to own it in 2024? That's a mystery.

BryanM won't be voting for them however. Since it'll be 1984, he'll probably be cattle in some soylent green farm by then. The shift will be so slow and subtle, no one'll notice it happening.

[Mischief Maker]

All I can say is, if Julian Assange had ANY of those leaks during the primary but chose to sit on them so he could fuck Hillary in October, there's a special place in Hell waiting for him.

[BryanM]

They wouldn't have made a bit of difference. You still had to be a registered democrat by July 2015 if you wanted to vote in New York. Whatever rigging took place in California would have still gone down.

Everyone knows she's corrupt to the bone marrow. What difference does a couple emails telling us what we already know going to do.

[Mischief Maker]

They wouldn't have made a bit of difference.

I beg to differ!

They would have made a huge difference considering the FBI has just reopened its email investigation based on the wikileaks evidence.

Goddamnit, Assange! Why did you sit on this?

[supergrafx77]

Looks like these new emails are going to be EXPLICIT, coming from the source of - ANTHONY WEINER:

[BryanM]

the FBI has just reopened its email investigation based on the wikileaks evidence

The federal subsidiary of HSBC Holdings is not going to do jack shit to their subcontractor Clinton Incorporated.

If they put Tim Kaine in there, they lose power in 2020 without resorting to assassination. It's a bothersome and expensive process. They'd rather save the hundreds of $millions and just keep the old lady in there for a couple terms.

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Heh, I like TruthDig's coverage on this. "Same fuckin' story as before? Ok, just copy and paste Mr.Bum's article and move on." They don't blow eight hours of airtime on a fart joke some candidate made. Or eight months of airtime on a missing plane.

EXPLICIT, coming from the source of - ANTHONY WEINER

That man still has a potato head. Why would anyone want to sext him; man or woman or beast.

Perverts are weird.

[EmperorIng]

Goddamnit, Assange! Why did you sit on this?

lol, maybe he thought all the shit he released during the primaries would have been enough to dissuade voters from selecting Clinton.

[Xyga]

Militant European exceptionalism. Constant hysterics about the imperiled "European values". Obscene amount of fearmongering pertaining to the subject(including calls to build a sky-high wall along the European Union's eastern perimeter to ward off what he perceives as an existential threat to it). Generalizing people, opinions and political affiliations based on nationality and region. Being an unrepentant mooncalf who makes his willful ignorance a point of pride. Okay, the last part is not directly related to his views(but definitely causative of them).

What an epidermic reaction, where's you pompous pseudo-intellectual attitude gone to ? You've missed that I'm doing exactly the opposite, I'm specific on the what/where/who, you idiot.
You want a real generalization ? Here's something I love that with Russians: they can't help it, the second you scratch their country even a little they'll launch a barrage attack on everything related to you, your country, your ideas, whatever up to your great ancestors, all that mixed with all manners of apologetic stuff about Russia, so much that by the end of their song your fucking 'West' is basically hell and Russia paradise. But since it's a Russian you're dealing with expect the obligatory reversal; you will be accused of being the chauvinist!

Again John, fair-enough, you can write all the cynical shit you want about democracy, the EU, its people etc I don't mind, after all I didn't just scratch your cuntry, I literally called it a mafia-state working to undermine things I consider worth defending, things you despise and reject.
So, what's next ? Can you tell me to shove a Satan 2 up my ass with that pompous composition of yours ?

A civil war is impossible.

I think Trump will win anyway. If he loses we're almost guaranteed to see the fraud accusation happen with months of unprecedented shistorm following.
In the midst of that don't worry, our dear guru quash and alt-right friends in the US and Russia will double their effort to motivate the trash and turn them into 'real American Heroes' who will fight for 'freedom':

They envisioned it in that article, it's the next step in the plan. In countries where they failed to win power in polls they will be incited, or should I say ordered, to start an uprising.
Telling you, for anyone messing with Russia, payback's a real bitch.

The right is fucked then, innit?

Yes the right is fucked, it's lost way too many voters to the far-right. It's just too hilarious to see all those trying to deny it by blurring the lines with semantics, or saying it's becoming the 'real' right.
It's stupid though coming from the old farts who would still value democracy and human rights to not actually regroup and stand, making it clear they're the real right free of the nazi shit. In my cuntry for instance several times the right's lost a lot of voters to the far-right, and before the campaign for the primaries actually begins (our gen. elc. in 2017) most candidates are already trying to build up popularity around the idea that claiming they're more fascist and racist than even the far-right will work... big miscalculation because the only one who clearly distances himself from all the nazi shit is already way on top in the polls.
In the case of the GOP I think they should have cut the cordon with Trump months ago officializing an alternative candidate who would'have made his difference clear somewhat in the same fashion. Tough but doable. Well it's too late now anyway.

[Mischief Maker]

Well it turns out this whole thing so far is a bunch of smoke and mirrors. All Comey is saying is that some of the emails on Weiner's laptop may affect the Clinton case. In that they haven't been read yet. The Clinton's response is, "Okay, make this smoking gun public. Tell us what's on these damn emails!"

I see this as a hail-mary pass by the republicans. The letter doesn't actually say anything, but it gives right-wing publications and Trump license to inflate and conflate. I don't see how this could win the race for Trump, but it very well might save the bacon of several congressional republicans. Say hello to four more years of gridlock as we trip over climate change turning points!

Stupid Obama, putting Ashcroft's #2 guy in his administration in hopes of engendering "bipartisan compromise" with the party of the Southern Strategy.

[BryanM]

I told you it was nothing, and could only lead to nothing.

And it's not bipartisan compromise, it's a unified power bloc. Obama is the black Ronald Reagan. To believe even slightly more generously in his favor is to be as dumb as the very very dumb people who actually believe Donald Trump cares about poor people.

> Obama does something a republican would do.
> "He's weak!" "He's playing sixteen dimensional chess!" "In his heart, he wanted to do something completely different!"

Just no. We're gonna get the TPP, and you're going to be on the hook to ensure corporations keep making 100% of their profits forever, in their double plus good private courts. Private courts given higher power than those of any government's.

[BulletMagnet]

Team Trump in a nutshell.

[Durandal]

Team Trump in a nutshell.

Isn't that what absent-in-Iowa voter ID laws are supposed to prevent? Although I hear from John Oliver that getting a proper ID is a ridiculous hassle if you're poor.

[BulletMagnet]

Isn't that what absent-in-Iowa voter ID laws are supposed to prevent?

That's the (other) thing - even without said Voter ID laws, it was still prevented via existing safeguards. Of course, the other other thing is that Iowa's a solidly Republican state, and that its election commission is almost certainly staffed primarily by Republicans, so there's pretty much zero chance that anyone there would be somehow transmogrifying Trump votes into Hillary ones...again, not that such a thing ever occurs to hardcore Trumpies, because they know that her insidious agents are everywhere.

[BryanM]

I stayed up all night to talk students out of staging a Vietnam War protest that would embarrass our college.

[BulletMagnet]

I know you're not a Hillary fan, dude, but if you're willing to reach back into her college days, completely out of the blue, just to make sure you get a needle in somehow...

[BryanM]

a needle in somehow

I'm not trying to "score points". It's called mourning.

I know she's your beloved princess and feel like you need to make sex offender's Trump's "points" go down. The rest of us don't have a stake in this thing.

her college days

Yes it's amazing she can still be the same exact person as back then without changing at all, and it's wonderful that her lifelong dreams for the world will all come to fruition. Instrumentality is going to be tremendous.

[BulletMagnet]

I'm not trying to "score points". It's called mourning.

I know she's your beloved princess

Instrumentality is going to be tremendous.

Oh, come off it. You really are just bizarro-quash at this point.

[EmperorIng]

a Hillary fan, dude

Do these people exist?

[BulletMagnet]

I dunno, apparently everyone who'd consider voting for her is irrationally obsessed with her and thinks she's just perfect or something. Oh, and hates freedom, of course, but you already knew that.

[Mischief Maker]

Sadly it seems that for the undecided voters of America this campaign boils down to whether you hate your mother in law more than the rich preppie pawing at your wife.

[Bitter Almonds]

In other news, $hillary has opted to say nothing about the proposed timewarner and at&t merger or the Dakota access pipeline. I wouldn't expect anything more from that corporate clown.

[supergrafx77]

I wouldn't expect anything more from that corporate WHORE.

[Mischief Maker]

In other news, $hillary has opted to say nothing about the proposed timewarner and at&t merger or the Dakota access pipeline. I wouldn't expect anything more from that corporate clown.

I wouldn't expect anything more from that corporate WHORE.

What's Trump saying?

[Bitter Almonds]

He's very much against the merger, which is - surprisingly - the right thing to say. I think he's made some investments tied to the Dakota access pipeline. Hey, 1 outta 2 is better than zero. I'd like to sic a Doberman on that bitch the way their hired thugs were doing with the Native American protesters.