BATTLE GAREGGA REV.2016 (M2)

[gray117]

I'm only really bothered about buying the physical version of a game if I think I'm going to sell it on. This will no doubt be a keeper so I don't care. If anything it's more convenient as I don't have to swap discs. Yes, it may disappear from PSN eventually but what are the chances of a PS4 disc working on PS5 anyway?

If you're passing on the LE because there's no disc, fair enough but if you're refusing to buy it altogether you're a knob. No wonder M2 can't afford a print run.

Agree, it's frankly surprising this is happening at all... Was there a full account yet of the details about who specifically was behind this, and how it got going?

Despite the recent tweeting it's likely M2 collectively well knew the crusty fans they're appealing to would want physical, but the production of the the whole thing port and LE edition probably only got off the ground because someone got the ball rolling with minimum fuss.

[KAI]

Fucking finally
Battle Garegga Complete Soundtrack

Remix 2016 version
Remixer:
Shinji Hosoe [SuperSweep]，Ayako Saso [SuperSweep] ，BUBBLE-B，HIROSHI WATANABE，Yamajet，DJ SHARPNEL [SHARPNELSOUND] ，JAKAZiD，Takahiro Eguchi [SuperSweep] ，quad [luvtrax] ，m1dy

[AxelMill]

What do you mean there's no Yousuke Yasui?!

[chempop]

and

Emutsu is uniquely arranged version.
Wait for a follow-up!

Oh hell yes.

[monouchi]

but BEEP's getting a replica PCB box

This is cool.
But where do you book the BEEp version? Japanese only?

[chempop]

Battle Garegga Arrange mode announced.

Shmup fans more interested in some limited edition cardboard.

[monouchi]

Not interested at all, just curious in how these special versions will be distributed.

[Radiant]

LOL they print Post Card's they print OST's, replica PCB boxes but no game Disc

[ciox]

LOL they print Post Card's they print OST's, replica PCB boxes but no game Disc

It is a bit strange that they can afford a factory run for CDs for the soundtrack but not for the game, if they can only afford one run you would think it's more important to have the physical game than to have something physical to pop into your Discman. Most likely the PS4 only accepts disks in some expensive format like bluray that's much more expensive to do a factory run on than audio cds, would make this a pretty obvious business decision.

[Van_Artic]

holyshit an arrange mode
fuck yes

[HydrogLox]

They also updated with a full list of retailers carrying the LE.

http://m2stg.com/battle-garegga/pe.html#shops

Does anybody have any idea why the premium edition is for sale on amiami.jp but not amiami.com? Because the DLC code requires a Japanese PSN account?

Edit: Fired off an inquiry on amiami.com in case I'm the first to notice this - though I have no idea if and when to expect a response.

[Oniros]

The website was updated with details on screen options

[...]

bullet colour switching

[...]

Purists be damned, purchase confirmed right there. My only problem is that I'm going on vacation the day this is released for three weeks. D:

[Doctor Butler]

There's a special edition available for pre-order on Play-Asia - http://www.play-asia.com/battle-garegga ... /13/70aj2z

[Eaglet]

Just a reminder that i'll be streaming here: https://www.twitch.tv/heysthlm
in about 7 hours.

[system11]

Yes, it may disappear from PSN eventually but what are the chances of a PS4 disc working on PS5 anyway?

Very low. The chances of a PS4 disc working on a PS4 in 20 years are much, much higher. There's no excuse for digital only really, there are loads of physical b-tier games available on the console these days which hardly sell anything. Just go to Amazon and search for PS4 games and you'll find ones you'd never even heard of.

I'll just be waiting to see if they announce a real one later.

[HydrogLox]

Fired off an inquiry on amiami.com in case I'm the first to notice this - though I have no idea if and when to expect a response.

Response:

Hi.
Thank you for mailing us.

Unfortunately this item is not available for purchase internationally, which is why it is not available on our English website.

We apologize for the inconvenience.
Thank you for shopping at AmiAmi.

Regards,
AmiAmi

[Firehawke]

Yes, it may disappear from PSN eventually but what are the chances of a PS4 disc working on PS5 anyway?

Very low. The chances of a PS4 disc working on a PS4 in 20 years are much, much higher. There's no excuse for digital only really, there are loads of physical b-tier games available on the console these days which hardly sell anything. Just go to Amazon and search for PS4 games and you'll find ones you'd never even heard of.

I'll just be waiting to see if they announce a real one later.

Disagree. The odds of a PS4 disc working on an unmodified PS4 in 20 years is nearly zero. These optical drives have been getting worse and worse over time. Cartridges last damn near forever, and while the discs last forever, the drives are dying at an absolutely ridiculous rate with many consoles showing problems within 4-5 years.

[GSK]

for anyone who's in Japan right now: Rev.2016 will be playable at HEY in Akiba this weekend (October 14-16)--Arcade mode only, no gadgets, running on PC-based dev hardware. (This is for PS4, not arcades, but they did say they're undecided about whether or not they'll attempt a legitimate arcade release.)

[Shadolf]

About discs as physical medium, I think Nintendo is going the right way using cardriges one more. Whats about Flash-Storage like SSD or SD-cards, longlivety wise?
But even games on discs are better than just download. Download would only be acceptable if the buyer could make their own physical medium with it.

About the Windows verion at Hey. Is this a location test or what? Are there any plans for a real windows version in the future?

[gray117]

flash/sd can be not great - 5 years if not used since voltage dissipates and corruption can occur. The read/write aspect of these is similarly limited/variable but usually within normal use limits for a long period of time - something like 100,000 writes. I'm sure the carts will be technically a little different to average read/write sd cards... but that tech is cheap...

I'm sure that the angst around digital releases would be minimized if users could be assured of a repository/backup process that allowed users to locally manage their own backups (even if encrypted) and only use a skeleton service to authenticate, and a re-assurance that products marked with 'x' - allowing developers to opt in/out - could be patched to circumvent drm if the host service (steam/psn/xbl) was ever to be pulled. And/or some other process would be made available - run-time decryption by machine/dongle - if some kind of licensing was retained, but not reliant upon a remote service or a single working machine (nintendo)...

After all, the aside from 'feelies' the only reason longer term physical media is seen as better is that we're relatively assured the fate of the data is in our hands - that they can be imaged/dumped/backed up and someone will work out how to play those dumps 20 years later.

[TransatlanticFoe]

In this case the digital distribution is also a form of region protection, given that you have to create an essentially fraudulent account to buy it. At least a disc can be straight up purchased overseas. A DRM free download wouldn't resolve that, at least not legitimately!

A region free physical release is preferable to a region restricted DRM download. Why must there be constant barriers to legitimately owning a copy of a game?

[MintyTheCat]

It is really all part of the rental sales model. It makes better sense for a company to offer a game as a service as opposed to a physically based medium as they can potentially sell the same title to customers in the future after this release.

Component costs are nothing with downloads once the back end service is paid for. So it is a win-win for them and a sort of win-lose for most of us.
Personally, I do not even feel safe with a CD for an older console and only really value physical carts and PCBs.

I am actually buying the new BG release for the extras. If it is at all possible I will pass my license onto one you chaps who can at least use the game.

[Bonus!]

Component costs are nothing with downloads once the back end service is paid for. So it is a win-win for them and a sort of win-lose for most of us.

This is a misconception. In order to offer digital downloads you need to provide infrastructure: server farms/data centers, maintenance staff, system admins, developers, security staff (cybersec and physical). You can of course outsource this to Akamai, but that won't come cheap either. By the way, your usage of "win/win", "win/lose" is incorrect. If the benefit of digital downloads is seen to lie solely on the side of the corporation, but a loss for the consumer, it is a "win/lose".

[Xyga]

I'd love to know the exact reason why M2 did that because the cost of printing those discs definitely isn't a real issue.

Maybe they've though if they gave shmupmanity the end of it all then all of us would fall into irreversible decadence ?

[MintyTheCat]

Component costs are nothing with downloads once the back end service is paid for. So it is a win-win for them and a sort of win-lose for most of us.

This is a misconception. In order to offer digital downloads you need to provide infrastructure: server farms/data centers, maintenance staff, system admins, developers, security staff (cybersec and physical).

In industry we generally refer to the 'back end' as being the 'stuff you need to offer the service/etc. which you will see I covered as quoted.
The front end would be the application and in this case the 2016 rev BG, for your reading:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_and_back_ends

You can of course outsource this to Akamai, but that won't come cheap either. By the way, your usage of "win/win", "win/lose" is incorrect. If the benefit of digital downloads is seen to lie solely on the side of the corporation, but a loss for the consumer, it is a "win/lose".

Emulating a 20 year old game you would consider 'expensive' right? Completely wrong. Hell, there are existing emulations as it stands - how much work do you think they would have to put in realistically?

Lose-win in the sense that you and I can purchase the game on release, play it for a couple of years but I doubt you or me will be able to play the game using this service in 20 years' time but I am willing to bet the PCB and the Saturn CD will still be usable so once purchased the PCB and Saturn CD would be a win-win in my book

[MintyTheCat]

I'd love to know the exact reason why M2 did that because the cost of printing those discs definitely isn't a real issue.

Maybe they've though if they gave shmupmanity the end of it all then all of us would fall into irreversible decadence ?

I'd put it down to Japanese corporate sales logic - half way between tea leaf reading, astrology and some other form of obscure divination

[Bonus!]

Minty,

my point was precisely that the back-end cost is not something you just pay for once. It is a recurring expense. With regards to digital products, you quickly end up with the problem of legacy support, which is particularly costly and therefore only guaranteed for a number of years after EOL. For how long do you think Sony will keep up PSN for PS3? It may be another five or six years, but eventually they will cut it off because the cost won't be justifiable any longer. In that regard, the PC, more concretely: x86, is a much superior platform because there are only incremental architectural changes between CPU generations.

[Bonus!]

About the note that HEY! would showcase the "Windows" version: this seems to hint at a potential release on Steam, as I can't imagine M2 going the Doujin route and pressing a few CDs for the next Comiket.

[GSK]

When they say "windows version" they mean it's running on PC dev hardware as opposed to PS4 or conventional arcade hardware, they aren't necessarily hinting at anything. (They did explicitly say they're undecided on an arcade release, however.)

Here's a fairly long interview with a few M2 people on Rev.2016--they go over the origins of the project, the features and gadgets, a look at Super Easy Mode and a little talk about the other modes, Namiki's work on the audio and much more (Mk3?!) http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/in ... 24943.html

One immediate tidbit: they confirmed they're working on smaller versions of the gadgets for the top/bottom of the screen when playing in tate mode.

[Xyga]

M2 nominated for the Nobull Nobel, category: video games