Prelude to the Apocalypse

[Mischief Maker]

I am sure Bullet and Mischief are happy with Hillary providing a 5/10* performance to contrast with Trump's 1/10 week.

The hell are you talking about? I've been unhappy ever since the primary ended!

She's a terrible person who's lying through her teeth about progressive issues while playing a dangerous game with Russia. Any good that comes out of her administration will need to be fought for tooth and nail.

What part of "lesser evil" don't you understand?

Given that he's more likely to not prod Putin with pointy sticks, is Trump actually the lesser evil?

It's a shit choice, but one risk depends on human decision. Hillary or Putin could change their minds.

On the other hand, as Stephen Hawking said, we have a rapidly approaching climactic tipping point and the one thing Trump and Pence agree on is "coal, coal, coal!" I dunno what it's gonna take to convince people how serious this is. Maybe an internet meme of people saying that while tearing up homes and devastating entire countries the hurricanes could be heard screaming "Allah Akbar!"

And then there are those BOOORING supreme court justices. SNORE!

[CIT]

The most interesting thing about the whole process (and again similarly with Brexit) is I don't remember being more acutely aware of the power of the MSM or the extent to which they're willing to selectively report and spin news to suit their desires.

Has it been this bad before and I just didn't notice, or is 2016 genuinely a new low point? The BBC in the UK have been absolutely disgraceful with it, taxpayer funded and they're supposed to be impartial. Perhaps it's just because everything has been going their way for so long that the bullshit hasn't been required.

You are under this impression because you have the wrong idea about what impartial means. It doesn't mean giving every opinion equal air time, otherwise the media would have to also let UFO conspiracy theorist, Islamic fundamentalists, holocaust deniers and other wackos weigh in on every issue. It also doesn't mean you can't make a clear difference between fact and opinion.

It just so happens that Trump is so factually wrong on so many things he says, that no responsible media outlet committed to journalistic accuracy can simply accept his statements as they stand. Obviously this will tilt reporting against his favor. Which, by the way, is a real feat on DJT's part, considering how much shit HRC is carrying around in her baggage.

[BryanM]

Yaaay Richard Nixon! Peacemaker! Remember when he got involved in the peace negotiations in 1968? Oh wait...

Yeah, he did a lot to deescalate the cold war and improved relations with China. The first drawdown in the number of nuclear arms came from these treaties.

It's very depressing to bring up Vietnam. Yes, of course he was a shite monster and a shit uncle on Vietnam. The democrats murdered the campaigns of any candidate that tried to be against the war. By the end, quite literally so.



As you remember, this is when the democratic party completely fractured and fell apart. There were riots at the convention. It hasn't recovered since.

And then Nixon coasted into victory. Our entire history, significantly changed by a single assassination. It's fair to argue democracy died in 1968.

[BulletMagnet]

Time to raise the bar yet again!

[quash]

PolitiFact

Claim: Donald Trump said the sky is blue.

Fact: The sky is sometimes gray, and for roughly half of each day, the sky is black. We rate his claim false.

Claim: Hillary Clinton said that grass is green.

Fact: Grass is indeed green, but only when properly tended to and fertilized. Otherwise, it wilts and turns brown. We rate this claim true, but misleading.

[quash]

Time to raise the bar yet again!

Friendly reminder that Alex Jones is a mouthpiece for a specific subset of the intelligence community, and as such mixes disinformation with legitimate leaks so as to discredit informed people as well as the conspiracy movement.

[BulletMagnet]

Friendly reminder that Alex Jones is a mouthpiece for a specific subset of the intelligence community, and as such mixes disinformation with legitimate leaks so as to discredit informed people as well as the conspiracy movement.

I know I shouldn't waste keystrokes addressing you directly at this point, but regardless of whether or not it was intended to be a troll, that was truly pathetic.

[CIT]

Claim: Donald Trump said the sky is blue.

Fact: The sky is sometimes gray, and for roughly half of each day, the sky is black. We rate his claim false.

Claim: Hillary Clinton said that grass is green.

Fact: Grass is indeed green, but only when properly tended to and fertilized. Otherwise, it wilts and turns brown. We rate this claim true, but misleading.

And what am I supposed infer from this nonsense?

[BulletMagnet]

And what am I supposed infer from this nonsense?

That whenever Trump (or, at this point, pretty much any conservative) gets called out by anybody, about anything, under any circumstances, he is ALWAYS the victim of malicious liberal bias. Because despite their legendary incompetence and inability to ever get anything important done, genocidal New World Order liberals have still managed to secretly take over everything, to the point that somehow only the most reactionary wingnuts have noticed.

[Xyga]

They can tell just by looking at the flies. It's science.

[Mischief Maker]

And what am I supposed infer from this nonsense?

That whenever Trump (or, at this point, pretty much any conservative) gets called out by anybody, about anything, under any circumstances, he is ALWAYS the victim of malicious liberal bias. Because despite their legendary incompetence and inability to ever get anything important done, genocidal New World Order liberals have still managed to secretly take over everything, to the point that somehow only the most reactionary wingnuts have noticed.

Meanwhile, if word got out that Hillary cut James Comey a check from the Clinton Foundation while he was considering whether or not there was something prosecutable about the emails, her campaign would be demolished by the scandal and its accompanying outrage.

But when Trump cut a check to Pam Bondi from the Trump Foundation while she was considering whether or not to join in to the already ongoing class action lawsuit against the Trump University fraud... savvy business move!

Weird that every awful thing Trump does is a point in his favor as someone who knows how to play the financial game, but despite all the Republican-sponsored Clinton Probes that came up snake eyes again and again (nine, count 'em NINE failed Benghazi probes) nobody says, "damn, those Clintons are savvy politicians!"

[Mischief Maker]

They can tell just by looking at the flies. It's science.

No, didn't you listen to quash? Those flies are CIA disinformation to discredit the legitimate leak that Hillary Clinton is under supernatural possession!

[system11]

The most interesting thing about the whole process (and again similarly with Brexit) is I don't remember being more acutely aware of the power of the MSM or the extent to which they're willing to selectively report and spin news to suit their desires.

Has it been this bad before and I just didn't notice, or is 2016 genuinely a new low point? The BBC in the UK have been absolutely disgraceful with it, taxpayer funded and they're supposed to be impartial. Perhaps it's just because everything has been going their way for so long that the bullshit hasn't been required.

You are under this impression because you have the wrong idea about what impartial means. It doesn't mean giving every opinion equal air time, otherwise the media would have to also let UFO conspiracy theorist, Islamic fundamentalists, holocaust deniers and other wackos weigh in on every issue. It also doesn't mean you can't make a clear difference between fact and opinion.

Well for the BBC you need to read their Brexit & related coverage. Good news is toned down, bad news is given front page and hyped up. Some news is specifically buried so that you can only find it by knowing it exists already. The IMF admitting they'd been issuing euro-biased reports for example. My father is not prone to conspiracy theories and so on and worked in the civil service for many years after many more in the RAF as an engineer. I mentioned it when we went out for dinner tonight and he feels the same - they're still running with the 'project fear' approach as if they want to cause as much damage as possible.

[CIT]

Well for the BBC you need to read their Brexit & related coverage. Good news is toned down, bad news is given front page and hyped up. Some news is specifically buried so that you can only find it by knowing it exists already. The IMF admitting they'd been issuing euro-biased reports for example. My father is not prone to conspiracy theories and so on and worked in the civil service for many years after many more in the RAF as an engineer. I mentioned it when we went out for dinner tonight and he feels the same - they're still running with the 'project fear' approach as if they want to cause as much damage as possible.

I don't follow the BBC's domestic coverage regularly, but The Economist recently laid out what lies ahead politically for Brexit in a very long and detailed article and basically there's many massive headaches looming and little reason to be optimistic about a success of negotiations. I think you're not hearing a lot of good news about Brexit because, well, there isn't any yet. So far the best news was that the British economy didn't tank and that the devaluation of the pound has somewhat helped exporters. But apart from that? We're only at the beginning of what will be a very protracted and complicated process for the UK with many uncertainties. There might be more good news later, but we'll have to wait and see.

[BryanM]

Meanwhile, if word got out that Hillary cut James Comey a check from the Clinton Foundation

As we all already know, he got that check ages ago from a third party. That's a matter of public record.

Jesus christ. The man handed out immunity deals in exchange for no testimony and no prosecution. Blatant corruption was demonstrated here. And there is no scandal. There is no outrage.

I sure hope me and my boys get "special rules" and immunity deals when the FBI investigates the case of the stolen Dr.Pepper.

(My gut says.... that will not happen, and I'll be rendered a slave as per allowed by the 13th amendment instead. And no one will care about my plight; they shall spit upon me and tell me I deserved it. Justice is served!)

NINE failed Benghazi probes

As we've established, the democrats protect the republicans, the republicans protect the democrats. It's a symbiotic relationship.

It is the function of the republicans to cry wolf and make the lady to the right of voldemort viable.

[BryanM]

Hey guys since Hillary can keep classified information in her basement and out there on the interwebs, I can just take shit out of the SCIF to use as a coffee mat, right? That's kosher, yes?

[system11]

Well for the BBC you need to read their Brexit & related coverage. Good news is toned down, bad news is given front page and hyped up. Some news is specifically buried so that you can only find it by knowing it exists already. The IMF admitting they'd been issuing euro-biased reports for example. My father is not prone to conspiracy theories and so on and worked in the civil service for many years after many more in the RAF as an engineer. I mentioned it when we went out for dinner tonight and he feels the same - they're still running with the 'project fear' approach as if they want to cause as much damage as possible.

I don't follow the BBC's domestic coverage regularly, but The Economist recently laid out what lies ahead politically for Brexit in a very long and detailed article and basically there's many massive headaches looming and little reason to be optimistic about a success of negotiations. I think you're not hearing a lot of good news about Brexit because, well, there isn't any yet. So far the best news was that the British economy didn't tank and that the devaluation of the pound has somewhat helped exporters. But apart from that? We're only at the beginning of what will be a very protracted and complicated process for the UK with many uncertainties. There might be more good news later, but we'll have to wait and see.

You'd have to watch it and specifically read their online site regularly to see. For example good figures are always 'despite Brexit', it's a constant running theme. They also keep running the same story into the ground until a new negative one pops up, making sure they appear towards the top of the page. Many people have noticed it, they're acting like part of the liberal establishment having a tantrum and doing their best to somehow damage or delay the referendum result. It's clear, repeated bias day after day, shrieking and trying to scare as many people as possible even if it actually damages the economy more than any normal market forces may or may not. Before the referendum they had many televised debates and it's like they'd hand picked the audience to suit them.

Nobody is under any illusion that there's a big pile of unanswered questions and uncertainty, but the BBC have been partisan to the extreme all the way through this. I wouldn't mind if it was a news source I could choose not to buy, but it's tax funded.

Naturally, they've been going after Trump.

[Bitter Almonds]

Hey guys since Hillary can keep classified information in her basement and out there on the interwebs, I can just take shit out of the SCIF to use as a coffee mat, right? That's kosher, yes?

You don't even need to ask for permission, just like $hillary.

[ED-057]

This election reminds me of the South Park episode where people kept agreeing to become part of a human centipede.

Maybe there is a team of eggheads standing around a lab, scratching their heads right now, saying "no matter how shitty the candidates are, people will still vote for them...?"

Or maybe it's more like the movie Trading Spaces. A couple of rich tools just trying to settle a wager. "I bet my candidate can still win even after this scandal!"

[Lord Satori]

I wonder what would happen if nobody got enough votes to win?

[Ed Oscuro]

http://imgur.com/gallery/Y55XO

Speaking of partisan fact-checks, Hillary got rated a less than true when she said there was no evidence her server got hacked. The reason? "Well, maybe it COULD have been, but we don't know it." That's speculation, not evidence, of course. Uh-oh, media's getting brain damage from Trump. Via osmosis!

Worries about Russia are overblown. They are most likely taking a page out of North Korea's playbook, playing bad to scare people out of voting for Clinton. (It's not gonna work.) When this damn election is over, I wouldn't be surprised to see them slide right back into their seats.

[quash]

If you're that confident in Russia's bluff, why not head to your nearest recruiting station? I'll guide you through the process step by step.

[Ed Oscuro]

So you want to appease Russia, is that it? If you choose dishonor you will surely have more war.

Hints: Half the ticket doesn't agree with this view (Pence). I see you take after the coward bully part, who has no problem saying he will "bomb the hell" out of anybody who is weak and steal their oil...but not Russia, because they obviously are too much for him. In any case, there are ways to deal with Russia that do not involve military action.

Putin's already declared the US has committed "unfriendly actions" against Russia, and we have done the same. Clinton has no reason to try to escalate that confrontation; on the other hand, with his economy in the shit and under sanctions, Putin certainly has every reason to try and appear bigger than he is. He also doesn't have any reason to try to escalate into an open military conflict, though, because Russia would be on the wrong side of the law and would be smashed in a conflict. (Of course, if it escalates all the way to a nuclear war, then everybody gets smashed.)

At the moment, though, the most aggressive actions are being taken by Russia, which sent anti-aircraft missiles to Syria as a signal to Western powers.

[quash]

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3774

Looks like Saudi Arabia has been funding ISIS all along.

What else has Saudi Arabia funded? Take a wild guess.

[CIT]

I wonder what would happen if nobody got enough votes to win?

Pro tip: google "Constitution of the United States"

The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President.

_____

Naturally, they've been going after Trump.

As I've already pointed out, Trump is so factually wrong and incoherent in so many things he says that it's simply impossible to not make him look bad to anybody possessing the power of reason.

[quash]

Yeah, like the time he lied about being against the war in Iraq.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=you ... hwaDSaoGU8

Or that time he lied about the origins of the birther movement.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politic ... 54777.html

How about when he made up the story about Muslims celebrating on 9/11?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism ... ebrations/

(He did exaggerate the figures to bait the media into reporting on it, so I'll give you partial credit for this one)

[BryanM]

At the moment, though, the most aggressive actions are being taken by Russia, which sent anti-aircraft missiles to Syria as a signal to Western powers.

That's almost as onerous as when we sent anti-aircraft missiles to Mexico to tell Russia to stay the hell out of Mexico.

After they had already destroyed Canada and left it a smoldering ruin under the control of religious moose zealots, of course.

Kandarian cultists are a bitch, eh.

[CIT]

Yeah, like the time he lied about being against the war in Iraq.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=you ... hwaDSaoGU8

Where in the video does Trump say he is opposing the war in Iraq? Provide the time at which he says it.


In the meantime, here is Donald on September 11, 2002, saying he supports invading Iraq (3m38s):

https://soundcloud.com/buzzfeedandrew/t ... 002#t=3:38


Not gonna bother with the other ones until you can present facts for the first.

[Giest118]

His support of the Iraq war is actually part of his brilliant strategy to be against the Iraq war. Everything he says and does is evidence of how brilliant of a schemer he is. Even when he irreparably fucks up on every conceivable level, it's all part of his plan to not fuck up on any level.

[BryanM]

After he slammed Canada's healthcare system, it's pretty obvious he has no intention whatsoever of winning. He never did from the start.

He's the shit milkshake to make Hillary easier to swallow. That was his job. This entire thing was a farce from the beginning.

I don't know how long it'll take for guys like Quash to ever realize this. That he voted for Hillary during the primary, instead of against her like most of us here did.