Help me find a 27FV300/27FV310 in my area

[Ikaruga11]

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[bobrocks95]

I've seen one nearby in 3 years of looking. And I had to ask the person to send me a picture of the model number.

You can put something like:

crt|trinitron|wega|"sony tv"|"tube tv"

into the Craigslist search to give you more results.

[Ikaruga11]

I've seen one nearby in 3 years of looking. And I had to ask the person to send me a picture of the model number.

You can put something like:

crt|trinitron|wega|"sony tv"|"tube tv"

into the Craigslist search to give you more results.

Thanks

[austin532]

It's a damn nice TV for retro gaming if you do find one.

[tjstogy]

Found a free 32" 310 for ya. https://dayton.craigslist.org/ele/5722937395.html

[tjstogy]

By the way, most people don't put model numbers so don't search for them. Just look for "Sony tv" and visually locate the right model. Google image search the model so you know what to look for. The 310 has the dark inner frame and the 300 has a lighter inner frame. Both look the same with the curves.

[tjstogy]

Here's a couple by me in NY

310:
https://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/zip/5788009208.html

300:
https://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/zip/5761748191.html

300:
https://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/ele/5720484407.html

Etc etc

[bobrocks95]

I don't live in the right place for CRTs...

Though I will say, the top one you posted isn't a 310. Inner frame is too dark, it has a card reader, and the owner knows to list it as an HDTV which it probably is.

[Taiyaki]

I think 32 inch models are generally the most common (and perhaps the hardest for sellers to sell). In my area occasionally a 27 would pop up but they're rather rare. I'm partial to the mid size sets like 20 and 24 (manageable for a single person to move around and much easier to work on), and those are just flat out rare. FV310 starts at 27, the FV300 starts at 20.

[FinalBaton]

If you can find the 20 or 24 inch version of the FV300 : jump on it!
It has a different, better chassis than the 27, 32 and 36 sizes FV300(BA-6 instead of BA-5D), which let you adjust the intensity of the red push (VERY useful to achieve good, rich reds without ending with a reddish picture)

The FV300 models with the BA-5D chassis do not allow you to adjust this.

[tjstogy]

I dunno, sure looks like one to me.... https://goo.gl/images/HxAlFv
Lighting is always different as are cameras. Bottom line is you should confirm what the model number is but that's the way to find one

I don't live in the right place for CRTs...

Though I will say, the top one you posted isn't a 310. Inner frame is too dark, it has a card reader, and the owner knows to list it as an HDTV which it probably is.

[tacoguy64]

Search for "free tv" on craigslist, you might find something nice there.

[Ikaruga11]

Here's a couple by me in NY

310:
https://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/zip/5788009208.html

300:
https://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/zip/5761748191.html

300:
https://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/ele/5720484407.html

Etc etc

Thank you very much tjstogy! You've been a major help!

If you can find the 20 or 24 inch version of the FV300 : jump on it!
It has a different, better chassis than the 27, 32 and 36 sizes FV300(BA-6 instead of BA-5D), which let you adjust the intensity of the red push (VERY useful to achieve good, rich reds without ending with a reddish picture)

The FV300 models with the BA-5D chassis do not allow you to adjust this.

Really? I wasn't aware that there was an even smaller version of the FV300. What is the model number? The FV300/310 only come in 27", 32" and 36", and I just want a 27" version or smaller.

Should I get a 300 or 310? Which looks better? The 310 is exactly the same but has a high voltage regulator to stop the blooming of bright colors. Do you guys prefer the old bloomed effect of CRTs or the controlled version?

[FinalBaton]

KV-20FV300 and KV-24FV300

Don't know how they compare to 310s. But Taiyaki on here has a KV-24FV300 and he's super happy with it.

310s are supposed to be super nice too. Although Brad251 on here complained about the reds on his.

[Brad251]

I got the KV-24FV300 about a week ago and I second that it is a very good TV. I got lucky because my set was used very little and the seller lived only about a mile from my house and the guy even used to live in my neighborhood. As you guys are probably aware, I owned an FV310 until recently and I got rid of it because I didn't like how the red push looked on my set. It is possible that there was something wrong with my particular FV310 set that was causing the red push to look off, so you might have a different experience. When you finally do get one, I will be interested to hear how reds look on your set. Other than the issue with reds, I thought the picture on the 310 was beautiful. I was really blown away by how good Super Mario World and Comix Zone looked on the 310. SNES games look especially great on the set and Capcom System 2 games also looked phenomenal on a softmodded Wii running retroarch over component. Also, 3D games over component like Super Mario Galaxy looked fantastic. The other thing I will note that I didn't mention before was that on my 310, there was a very slight jitter when playing video and when playing 3D racing games and it strained my eyes to look at. I'm not sure if that was an issue with the 310 itself or playing a DVD on the Wii but someone on Amazon wrote a review of the 27" FV300 and had a similar problem, https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-revi ... EBN8VVJKRV. My experience was not as bad as this guys but I just wanted to point it out. I have yet to try playing a DVD on my Wii on my FV300 but I will and get back to you what my experience was.

The 310 does have the voltage regulator which eliminates blooming and if you are used to blooming on a CRT, that is very apparent. It doesn't make the image look worse than a normal CRT TV; just a little different. Games look sharper and the image is quite a bit cleaner on the 310 compared to the FV300 because of the voltage regulator but I felt that the image looked a bit sterile without the blooming; almost like the image is too perfect. I really only felt this way with 2D games and thought 3D games looked fine. I grew up playing on CRTs and playing on Arcade monitors that had blooming so I prefer it because I grew up playing on CRTs that had it. All you can really do is get the 310 and decide if you like the picture it outputs.

All that said, I am pretty happy with my 24" FV300. The picture is very sharp and the colors are very good. Like FinalBaton said, there is an option in the service menu called "MTRX" which level you adjust the level of red push and this has greatly helped because with the default settings, reds look way too overblown but I turned MTRX to its lowest setting and now reds on my set look pretty good. I also had to adjust the sharpness settings SSHO and SSHP in the service menu to fine to the sharpness on my set so that I don't get ghosting around edges. I also think that the difference between how good games look between the FV310 and FV300 does vary a little by game and even by system. For example, I don't feel that NES games look that much better on the 310 than the 300. Another example where I don't feel the difference is huge are the Sonic the Hedgehog games on Genesis. There are other games where the difference isn't huge but I can't think of any more off the top of my head. The sound on the 24" FV300 is okay but not nearly as good as on the 310 and it doesn't sound as good as on my 27" FS120. I'm sure this has a lot to do with those other sets have larger speakers and the 310 has built in subwoofers. Actually, the sound on the 310 is great. The larger (27" and up) FV300 models should have comparable sound quality to the 310 as those models also have built in subwoofers.

I also own the KV-27FS120 and will note that in my opinion, the picture on my KV-24FV300 is better but not dramatically better. It might be 15-20% better. However, I do feel that there is a big difference in image quality between the FS120 and the FV310. I also recently owned an SD flat screen JVC I'Art CRT which had a really good picture that is almost as good as the picture on my 24" FV300. I'm just pointing this out because there are some other great non-Trinitron consumer CRTs out there.

[Brad251]

I've seen one nearby in 3 years of looking. And I had to ask the person to send me a picture of the model number.

You can put something like:

crt|trinitron|wega|"sony tv"|"tube tv"

into the Craigslist search to give you more results.

I will also add that it is a good idea to search for the words "tv" and "television" separately". Searching for "sony tv" and "tube tv" will help but will not show results where only the word "tv" or "television" is in the title. When I search on Craigslist I type crt|trinitron|wega|tv|television. That should cover all your bases.

[Ikaruga11]

KV-20FV300 and KV-24FV300

Don't know how they compare to 310s. But Taiyaki on here has a KV-24FV300 and he's super happy with it.

310s are supposed to be super nice too. Although Brad251 on here complained about the reds on his.

Thanks for the model numbers. I wonder if the 20" is sharper than the 24".

I got the KV-24FV300 about a week ago and I second that it is a very good TV. I got lucky because my set was used very little and the seller lived only about a mile from my house and the guy even used to live in my neighborhood.

Nice find Brad! Small world isn't it?

As you guys are probably aware, I owned an FV310 until recently and I got rid of it because I didn't like how the red push looked on my set.

Was the red push minor or severe? Did it actively distract you from playing?

It is possible that there was something wrong with my particular FV310 set that was causing the red push to look off, so you might have a different experience.

Possibly. Was it ever dropped or anything?

When you finally do get one, I will be interested to hear how reds look on your set.

I'll try. 27" 300/310 or 20"/24" 300.

Other than the issue with reds, I thought the picture on the 310 was beautiful. I was really blown away by how good Super Mario World and Comix Zone looked on the 310. SNES games look especially great on the set and Capcom System 2 games also looked phenomenal on a softmodded Wii running retroarch over component. Also, 3D games over component like Super Mario Galaxy looked fantastic.

That sounds great. The picture quality must be beautiful.

The other thing I will note that I didn't mention before was that on my 310, there was a very slight jitter when playing video and when playing 3D racing games and it strained my eyes to look at.

You mean you shimmering, screen tearing, ghosting or motion blur?

I'm not sure if that was an issue with the 310 itself or playing a DVD on the Wii but someone on Amazon wrote a review of the 27" FV300 and had a similar problem, https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-revi ... EBN8VVJKRV. My experience was not as bad as this guys but I just wanted to point it out. I have yet to try playing a DVD on my Wii on my FV300 but I will and get back to you what my experience was.

Alright. Please do. I will take that into consideration.

The 310 does have the voltage regulator which eliminates blooming and if you are used to blooming on a CRT, that is very apparent. It doesn't make the image look worse than a normal CRT TV; just a little different. Games look sharper and the image is quite a bit cleaner on the 310 compared to the FV300 because of the voltage regulator but I felt that the image looked a bit sterile without the blooming; almost like the image is too perfect. I really only felt this way with 2D games and thought 3D games looked fine. I grew up playing on CRTs and playing on Arcade monitors that had blooming so I prefer it because I grew up playing on CRTs that had it. All you can really do is get the 310 and decide if you like the picture it outputs.

I am used to the white bloom on SD CRTs, but the cleaner and sharper image is really enticing.

All that said, I am pretty happy with my 24" FV300. The picture is very sharp and the colors are very good. Like FinalBaton said, there is an option in the service menu called "MTRX" which level you adjust the level of red push and this has greatly helped because with the default settings, reds look way too overblown but I turned MTRX to its lowest setting and now reds on my set look pretty good.

That's great to hear. Yeah, Sony Trinitrons are known for having red push.

I also had to adjust the sharpness settings SSHO and SSHP in the service menu to fine to the sharpness on my set so that I don't get ghosting around edges.

Is that available on the 27 300 and 310? What are your settings?

I also think that the difference between how good games look between the FV310 and FV300 does vary a little by game and even by system. For example, I don't feel that NES games look that much better on the 310 than the 300. Another example where I don't feel the difference is huge are the Sonic the Hedgehog games on Genesis. There are other games where the difference isn't huge but I can't think of any more off the top of my head. The sound on the 24" FV300 is okay but not nearly as good as on the 310 and it doesn't sound as good as on my 27" FS120. I'm sure this has a lot to do with those other sets have larger speakers and the 310 has built in subwoofers. Actually, the sound on the 310 is great. The larger (27" and up) FV300 models should have comparable sound quality to the 310 as those models also have built in subwoofers.

Well, I plan on using both component inputs for the SNES and N64.

I also own the KV-27FS120 and will note that in my opinion, the picture on my KV-24FV300 is better but not dramatically better. It might be 15-20% better. However, I do feel that there is a big difference in image quality between the FS120 and the FV310. I also recently owned an SD flat screen JVC I'Art CRT which had a really good picture that is almost as good as the picture on my 24" FV300. I'm just pointing this out because there are some other great non-Trinitron consumer CRTs out there.

I also own a KV-27FS120 and the picture is very good, but I stopped using it because I wanted to play my GameCube and Wii in 480p. Also, only one component input.

Sounds like I'll stick with trying to find a KV-27FV310.

[Taiyaki]

If you can find the 20 or 24 inch version of the FV300 : jump on it!
It has a different, better chassis than the 27, 32 and 36 sizes FV300(BA-6 instead of BA-5D), which let you adjust the intensity of the red push (VERY useful to achieve good, rich reds without ending with a reddish picture)

The FV300 models with the BA-5D chassis do not allow you to adjust this.

Wow good find. I was always wondering what made the mid size sets differ from the bigger sets in the service menu (in particular noticeable in the red push setting) but didn't know for sure the board was indeed different.


By the way congratulations to Brad on having found a 24 inch FV300! I wouldn't trade this tv for any other crt in the world at this point (just to reaffirm how satisfied I am with this set).

Thanks for the comparisons. I didn't know sound was that different. It's one aspect I never focused on in my testings.

You must have a really great FS120 then, my experience was quite different. With the FS120's (and FS100), I could never calibrate colors to a satisfying point like you can with the FV300, that being said they still give off a very nice picture. Also geometry started off very much wrong on all the FS sets I've used (not that FV sets don't require tweaking too). They all require much more work than the basic corner treatment permalloy strips can work on. All in all I would only recommend the FS sets to folks who are not overly sensitive to geometrical imperfections, or who have the know how to improve it internally.

Really? I wasn't aware that there was an even smaller version of the FV300. What is the model number? The FV300/310 only come in 27", 32" and 36", and I just want a 27" version or smaller.

Should I get a 300 or 310? Which looks better? The 310 is exactly the same but has a high voltage regulator to stop the blooming of bright colors. Do you guys prefer the old bloomed effect of CRTs or the controlled version?

Yes, the FV300 models start at 20 inch. The mid size sets include 20 and 24, and now thanks to Finalbaton's research we appear to have confirmation of a revised chassis on these units. I don't think sharpness will change, it depends on the distance you sit in relation to the tv. That being said 20 inch will actually be a 21 inch and it will be plenty big in my opinion (noticeably bigger than a PVM20 or BVM20). 24 inch is nice if you want some leeway and like sitting a bit further away.

As mentioned above the FV310 has an added function that was unique for it's time, called the high voltage regulator. This innovation eliminated geometrical warping (or stretching as some people call it) caused by bright areas of the picture. As a side effect it also nearly eliminates blooming and bleeding, this does bring the image closer to what you'd expect from a pro monitor in that respect. However if you're like me and are in for a more authentic feel with your consumer crt then you might actually prefer the FV300. Either way they're both top of the line sets for gaming.

[bobrocks95]

I dunno, sure looks like one to me.... https://goo.gl/images/HxAlFv
Lighting is always different as are cameras. Bottom line is you should confirm what the model number is but that's the way to find one

I don't live in the right place for CRTs...

Though I will say, the top one you posted isn't a 310. Inner frame is too dark, it has a card reader, and the owner knows to list it as an HDTV which it probably is.

I own a 32-FV310- it does not have a card reader. This confirms it, the other details were additional differences I noticed.

I've seen one nearby in 3 years of looking. And I had to ask the person to send me a picture of the model number.

You can put something like:

crt|trinitron|wega|"sony tv"|"tube tv"

into the Craigslist search to give you more results.

I will also add that it is a good idea to search for the words "tv" and "television" separately". Searching for "sony tv" and "tube tv" will help but will not show results where only the word "tv" or "television" is in the title. When I search on Craigslist I type crt|trinitron|wega|tv|television. That should cover all your bases.

Thanks, I'll do that too. Though I doubt I'll ever see another 310 anywhere near me again.
I think I had done this before and thought it lead to too many results, but I check it pretty much every day at this point so might as well do it.

[Taiyaki]

When the bezel/ frame is dark grey it's not an FV310. It's likely an HS series Trinitron, which are higher definition sets I believe.

The bezel for the FV310 is more like mid blueish gray. FV300 has a silver bezel which matches the rest of the set.

[Brad251]

I own a 32-FV310- it does not have a card reader.

Bobrocks, how do reds look on your 310? Do you notice any flicker/jitter when watching videos or playing games?

[Brad251]

I don't think my 310 was every dropped. The chassis on my 310 was in perfect condition and I didn't bang it when I moved it into my house.

I don't think that the issue with video jitter on my 310 was shimmering, ghosting, screen tearing or motion blur. The only way to describe it is that it was a very subtle jitter.

On the FV300 models with the BA-5D chassis, SSHP is in the service menu but SSHO is not. I am not sure if it is on these larger models that have a different chassis. I am not sure if the larger FV300 models ever had a different chassis. My 24" FV300 has a BA-6 chassis. The FV310 has different sharpness options in the service menu but you probably won't have to adjust the service menu sharpness options on the FV310. I never had to on mine. The default settings for SSHO and SSHP on my 24" FV300 are 17 and 26, respectively, and the default user menu sharpness is turned up about 30% of the way. The adjusted values for SSHO and SSHP on my FV300 are 6 and 17 respectively and I have the user menu sharpness turned up about 85% of the way.

[tjstogy]

I wish I understood what kind of visual anomaly "blooming" meant.

[Brad251]

I wish I understood what kind of visual anomaly "blooming" meant.

I'm sure someone here can give a better definition but on a basic level, it makes the picture give off a glow. If you have played on a professional monitor or a 310 that doesn't have blooming and then on a consumer CRT that does, you wouldn't definitely be able to tell the difference. I think the more technical definition of blooming is when whites temporarily expand when switching between dark and light scenes. I believe this very slightly distorts the image when it occurs.

[tjstogy]

I have, and own a pvm 20l5 I've considered trading for the 310 but now maybe the 300 instead. The pvm is dark, and small. I'd want a 27" I think but this blooming discussion is confusing me. I don't know if i want it or not.

I wish I understood what kind of visual anomaly "blooming" meant.

I'm sure someone here can give a better definition but on a basic level, it makes the picture give off a glow. If you have played on a professional monitor or a 310 that doesn't have blooming and then on a consumer CRT that does, you wouldn't definitely be able to tell the difference. I think the more technical definition of blooming is when whites temporarily expand when switching between dark and light scenes. I believe this very slightly distorts the image when it occurs.

[Brad251]

I have, and own a pvm 20l5 I've considered trading for the 310 but now maybe the 300 instead. The pvm is dark, and small. I'd want a 27" I think but this blooming discussion is confusing me. I don't know if i want it or not.

Test out any of the CRTs at your local Salvation Army or Goodwill and you should be able to get an idea of what blooming looks like. Also, if there is an arcade near you that has older games using CRT monitors, you will notice blooming on those too. Pretty much any standard def consumer tv that isn't a 310 and most if not all crt arcade monitors have blooming.

[Xyga]

I think it's not really that pro monitors don't bloom, but more like the intensity is much more controllable compared to the average consumer set.
Correct me if I'm wrong people, but on a normal set if you want to visibly 'deflate' the bright spots there's no other method besides reducing brightness/contrast and white peak, often resulting in a too dark picture.

Back to those particular Sonys for some time I believed the 310 had an equivalent outside of North America, like an European model with scart, but I think I was wrong as I couldn't find any proof of an existing model.
This is why I like analog chassis more for consumer sets, because when you don't have a thing like a high voltage regulator to help, it's easier to work on brightness/contrast/peak adjustements than on most digital ones (at least those I've experienced).

[Taiyaki]

I think to many gamers looking for the classic CRT experience the glowing or blooming is actually very much a desired effect. It gives the image a very organic look that only tube tv's could give off. The side effect of this is geometrical stretching that is caused by the phosphors heating up in certain areas of the picture. The FV310 pretty does away with both and so do all pro monitors, for better or for worse, this really depends on what kind of picture you prefer.