BVM 32" HDFury2 HDMI SDI??

SNK-NEO-GEO · Post by **SNK-NEO-GEO** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:33 pm

Hello,
Thanks for reading and for your feedback in advance.. I am trying to connect consoles/PC that used HDMI to a BVM 32 and I would like to know if an HDFury2 would do the trick using the SDI input.. If that is not the most efficient way please let me know, I worry about picture quality loss, lag and adding artifacts in the picture.. Thanks

Guspaz · Post by **Guspaz** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:42 pm

SDI is a digital video signal (it stands for Serial Digital Interface). It's like HDMI but with just one signal.

The HDFury2 converts from digital (HDMI) to analog (VGA). It doesn't make any sense in the context of what you seem to want to do (convert HDMI to SDI).

To convert from HDMI to SDI, you would need something like this:

http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=11749

Or like this:

http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=14532

One important thing to keep in mind when it comes to SDI is that support for 480p is virtually non existent (note that the second adapter I linked supports 480i and 720p, but not 480p), and you're unlikely to find a computer that supports 480i output over HDMI. So the only resolutions shared by both your PC and your BVM are probably going to be 720p and 1080i.

In terms of lag, I don't know that anybody here has actually done any lag testing on either HDMI to SDI converters, or the SDI input boards for PVMs/BVMs. It's not really something people do, mostly people either use the device's native RGB/YPbPr output, or they convert from HDMI to analog using something like the HDFury2 and run that in to the monitor.

BazookaBen · Post by **BazookaBen** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:12 am

yeah, don't use SDI, there are better ways.

What graphics card is in your PC?

orange808 · Post by **orange808** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:16 am

Guspaz wrote:SDI is a digital video signal (it stands for Serial Digital Interface). It's like HDMI but with just one signal.

The HDFury2 converts from digital (HDMI) to analog (VGA). It doesn't make any sense in the context of what you seem to want to do (convert HDMI to SDI).

To convert from HDMI to SDI, you would need something like this:

http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=11749

Or like this:

http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=14532

One important thing to keep in mind when it comes to SDI is that support for 480p is virtually non existent (note that the second adapter I linked supports 480i and 720p, but not 480p), and you're unlikely to find a computer that supports 480i output over HDMI. So the only resolutions shared by both your PC and your BVM are probably going to be 720p and 1080i.

In terms of lag, I don't know that anybody here has actually done any lag testing on either HDMI to SDI converters, or the SDI input boards for PVMs/BVMs. It's not really something people do, mostly people either use the device's native RGB/YPbPr output, or they convert from HDMI to analog using something like the HDFury2 and run that in to the monitor.

What about a Dvdo processor with an SDI card?

I have a vp50 with the SDI output port, but I don't own any displays with an SDI input. Otherwise, I would test for you.

Guspaz · Post by **Guspaz** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:25 am

orange808 wrote:What about a Dvdo processor with an SDI card?

I have a vp50 with the SDI output port, but I don't own any displays with an SDI input. Otherwise, I would test for you.

The VP50 supports optional SDI input, not output. It only supports the following signals over SDI (from the manual): 480i@60Hz and 576i@50Hz YCbCr 4:2:2

SNK-NEO-GEO · Post by **SNK-NEO-GEO** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:36 am

"I to analog using something like the HDFury2 and run that in to the monitor."
So HDfury2 into the RGB adapter and just set that to components?

I also have a DVDO 50 and an HDfury3D the discontinued one.. Any advantage of using those?

For PC I am using nvidia 870 has VGA output as well.

BazookaBen · Post by **BazookaBen** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:39 am

SNK-NEO-GEO wrote:For PC I am using nvidia 870 has VGA output as well.

Why aren't you using the VGA out? All you need is a T-connector to combine H and V sync.

And your 3D Fury will work as a VGA adapter if you ever upgrade to a card without VGA out (like the GTX 1080)

The HD Fury 2 supports component and RGBHV, but it looks like you definitely don't need it.

SNK-NEO-GEO · Post by **SNK-NEO-GEO** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:56 am

What is a T connector? Can you link me to eBay?

For HDMI console then HDFury2 and connect it to what card on the BVM and what settings to pick?

orange808 · Post by **orange808** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:04 am

Guspaz wrote:
orange808 wrote:What about a Dvdo processor with an SDI card?

I have a vp50 with the SDI output port, but I don't own any displays with an SDI input. Otherwise, I would test for you.
The VP50 supports optional SDI input, not output. It only supports the following signals over SDI (from the manual): 480i@60Hz and 576i@50Hz YCbCr 4:2:2

Yes indeed. I didn't examine it close enough.

Only HDMI outs...

Ikaruga11 · Post by **Ikaruga11** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:18 am

I was thinking about hooking up my PS3 to a BVM via HDMI, but it seems that isn't a good idea based on the replies in this thread. What's the next best thing? RGB, VGA, DVI, YPbPr?

BazookaBen · Post by **BazookaBen** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:33 am

SNK-NEO-GEO wrote:What is a T connector? Can you link me to eBay?

For HDMI console then HDFury2 and connect it to what card on the BVM and what settings to pick?

https://www.amazon.com/RiteAV-294114-BN ... B000V1LX6S

Anything like that, it will combine the H and V sync from your PC to C sync for your BVM

And I don't think you need an HD Fury 2. Your 3D Fury can do everything that can and more, as far as I know. I do know the 3D fury cost like $500 when it first came out while the Fury 2 was only $180 or something.

As far as console settings, you need to know what resolution games render natively at. For most Wii U games, that's 720p. For most PS4 games, it would be 1080i, though 720p may look better for 60fps games. For 360 and PS3, it's even more complicated, because most of those game render at less than 720p, so you'll just have to experiment to see which upscale looks better depending on the game... and this is why I play mostly PC these days.

GeneraLight wrote:I was thinking about hooking up my PS3 to a BVM via HDMI, but it seems that isn't a good idea based on the replies in this thread. What's the next best thing? RGB, VGA, DVI, YPbPr?

HDMI is best, actually. I run HDMI from PS3 through an HD Fury to my PC CRT monitor.

SNK-NEO-GEO · Post by **SNK-NEO-GEO** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:58 am

thank you! very much guys for the feedback.. will try the T connector for the PC and the VGA out.. from the Nvidia 970 card.

BazookaBen · Post by **BazookaBen** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:08 am

One more thing, your PC might try to run at 1024x768 by default over a BNC connection. I'm not sure if your BVM will be able to display that, so you may need to use CRU to tweak the available resolutions for that connection:

http://www.monitortests.com/forum/threa ... tility-cru

LDigital · Post by **LDigital** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:00 am

Hmm.
I don't think everything I read in this thread is correct to be honest.

Presuming we are talking about the D or A series
You can connect your PC easily to the bvm via a HDMI to component adaptor. There's no lag Introduced. I use the very same method. Just be wary that the bvm only likes standard HDMI resolutions such as 640x480, 1280x720, 1920x1080i

Also. Someone said its not a good idea to put a PS3 on to a bvm? Nonsense. Use the component connection and it looks fantastic. Just make sure both methods are via the correct card (the big double card with the fan)

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:47 am

LDigital wrote:Hmm.
I don't think everything I read in this thread is correct to be honest.

Presuming we are talking about the D or A series
You can connect your PC easily to the bvm via a HDMI to component adaptor. There's no lag Introduced. I use the very same method. Just be wary that the bvm only likes standard HDMI resolutions such as 640x480, 1280x720, 1920x1080i

Also. Someone said its not a good idea to put a PS3 on to a bvm? Nonsense. Use the component connection and it looks fantastic. Just make sure both methods are via the correct card (the big double card with the fan)

It appears that the OP has an HD Fury 4, and has been advised to use it. No problem there. I do know from experience though that it outputs better quality RGBHV than component. Same for the PS3 - HDMI->HD Fury->RGBHV is better than HDMI->HD Fury->component - and both of those options are better than component direct, quality wise.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:58 am

Same for the PS3 - HDMI->HD Fury->RGBHV is better than HDMI->HD Fury->component - and both of those options are better than component direct, quality wise.

Using a HDF3 I really couldn't spot any difference between using RGBHV and component from it. And both are WAY better than direct YUV from a PS3 indeed.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:45 am

Fudoh wrote:Using a HDF3 I really couldn't spot any difference between using RGBHV and component from it. And both are WAY better than direct YUV from a PS3 indeed.

Yeah, I was shocked going back to component direct after using the HD Fury 4 for PS3. Very messy in comparison.

I certainly wouldn't have expected any noticeable difference between RGBHV and component output - but feeding a KV-HR36M31, RGBHV presented a little cleaner.

SNK-NEO-GEO · Post by **SNK-NEO-GEO** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:38 am

PC/Console = HDMI->3DFury->RGBHV directly to the card (HD SDI) with the Fan in the BVM = this seems to be what everyone is recommending.. is this accurate?

Also these are the cards that came with the BVM 41HD and 21D...and the standard card with RGB I forgot the number of that..

BazookaBen · Post by **BazookaBen** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:32 pm

SNK-NEO-GEO wrote:PC/Console = HDMI->3DFury->RGBHV directly to the card (HD SDI) with the Fan in the BVM = this seems to be what everyone is recommending.. is this accurate?

Are you a native english speaker? It seems like you're not quite following us, because nobody has recommended you use SDI.

I said to use the PC VGA out to your RGB input on your BVM. With consoles, you'll need the HD Fury to get VGA.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:55 pm

He's talking about using the HD-SDI board, but not as an actual SDI input.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:56 pm

Which BVM-32 do you have ? D or A ?

I would personaly get rid of the HD-SDI board (because of the fan). You can use a 21D board for component and/or RGsB just as well.

SNK-NEO-GEO · Post by **SNK-NEO-GEO** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:02 pm

@BazookaBen - Ok...ok. calm down brother:)... got it, the HD-SDI card does RGB I think.. thank you!

BazookaBen wrote:
SNK-NEO-GEO wrote:PC/Console = HDMI->3DFury->RGBHV directly to the card (HD SDI) with the Fan in the BVM = this seems to be what everyone is recommending.. is this accurate?
Are you a native english speaker? It seems like you're not quite following us, because nobody has recommended you use SDI.

I said to use the PC VGA out to your RGB input on your BVM. With consoles, you'll need the HD Fury to get VGA.

SNK-NEO-GEO · Post by **SNK-NEO-GEO** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:05 pm

@ Fudoh....I have the D32E1WU.. what is the difference between the D and the A?

Fudoh wrote:Which BVM-32 do you have ? D or A ?

I would personaly get rid of the HD-SDI board (because of the fan). You can use a 21D board for component and/or RGsB just as well.

Ikaruga11 · Post by **Ikaruga11** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:44 pm

So,

PS3 -> HDMI -> HD Fury 5 -> VGA input on BVM?

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:35 pm

what's a HDF5 supposed to be ?

amaradona · Post by **amaradona** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:40 pm

I am using a hdmi-hd sdi converter, the cheap chinese ones, on my D24 and never had an issue with them.

BazookaBen · Post by **BazookaBen** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:50 pm

SNK-NEO-GEO wrote:@BazookaBen - Ok...ok. calm down brother:)... got it, the HD-SDI card does RGB I think.. thank you!

Oh ok, I didn't know that. Wasn't getting mad or anything, I just didn't want you to make a mistake and start buying the wrong equipment.

Fudoh wrote:what's a HDF5 supposed to be ?

It's supposed to be HD Fury's last, most capable DAC. They're aiming for a early 2017 release.

For currently available consoles, any existing HD Fury will do, since none of them exceed 1080p60. And if you're using a BVM, that's all you need since BVM's aren't spec'd to go above 45khz

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:54 pm

It's supposed to be HD Fury's last, most capable DAC. They're aiming for a early 2017 release.

is this supposed to still happen since they discontinued all their DAC due to the law suit a few months back ?

BazookaBen · Post by **BazookaBen** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:58 pm

Fudoh wrote:
It's supposed to be HD Fury's last, most capable DAC. They're aiming for a early 2017 release.
is this supposed to still happen since they discontinued all their DAC due to the law suit a few months back ?

According to their forum posts, all that won't affect the HD Fury 5. That almost makes me think it will be display port instead of HDMI.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:04 pm

ah, ok, we might talking their "pro scaler" unit ? See their comparison chart here. Right column. Certainly won't have a VGA output though. https://www.hdfury.com/comparison/

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