Splinter discussions, formerly in Top 25 voting-only thread.

[nZero]

[000] [Axelay] - Snes

Zero points for Axelay

[Turrican]

Edge, I believe you voted twice for the same game - Gradius (NES) is not that different from the arcade to count as a different entry...

...err, right, Zach?

[Edge]

Ahh ok, I thought it would count as an extra game.
Never mind, since I forgot Twinkle Star Sprites anyway.

[Shocky]

Shocky, I don't think you can list Novastorm here because it's considered a "borderliner" (shmup on rails a-la Rez). If the boss thinks otherwise let me know and I'll vote for Novastorm as well Oh and many, many kudos for voting Carcharodon and Philosoma, two of my absolutely fave but underrated by just about everyone.

You're right, I removed Novastorm now. What it lacks in gameplay, it sure takes back in amazing graphics and especially in music!

Yeah, Carcharodon is virtually unknown even though it was one of the very best amiga shooters, what a shame :/ I'm pretty amazed though how Philosoma doesn't get any votes.. maybe ppl didn't play it enough and never knew how it gets better stage by stage. The cinematics were of super high quality too.

[Dale]

Raiden wrote [3] [Vulgus]

Great pick it,s a shmup few know and fewer appreciate, were'd you play it first arcade mame?

[Zweihander]

i still don't get how this number system works... i've read the rules 3 times now, it's too complicated. can't it be made simpler?

[Turrican]

i still don't get how this number system works... i've read the rules 3 times now, it's too complicated. can't it be made simpler?

Don't worry. Just put a [1] before each title you mention. It's probably the best way.

[Thunder Force]

i still don't get how this number system works... i've read the rules 3 times now, it's too complicated. can't it be made simpler?

Just put a high number on your favorite game(s), and then put lower numbers on your lesser favorite(s). Most of your vote will then go toward the high numbered game(s), and a small amount of your vote will go toward the lower numbered ones.

[Zweihander]

[500] [galaga '88]
[500] [galaga]
[200] [1942]
[200] [hellfire]
[100] [radiant silvergun]
[100] [gradius V]
[75] [viewpoint]
[75] [pulstar]
[50] [sky wolf]
[50] [gaiares]

this is the kinda numbering system which confuses me.

[raiden]

well, the numbers are completely arbitrary, the only thing that counts is relative size between the items one person listed. For example, if person A lists

[100] [game 1]
[50] [game 2]
[10] [game 3]

and person B lists

[10] [game 1]
[5] [game 2]
[1] [game 3]

both votes would count exactly equal. The simpler methods you suggested (e.g. everybody gets 100 points to distribute) have the slight disadvantage of not allowing absolutely precise votes, there would always be cases where someone thinks game X should get 4.5 points but has to give 4 or 5. If someone thinks game 1 is a million times better than game 2, he can express this opinion with the current vote system. (there´s probably SOME hidden limit to the sigifying digits, though )

[CIT]

17. Genrikeden (that Taito shmup)

Gekirindan?

[No_not_like_Quake]

Yuh, that's it, thanks. I''m putting it on my top 25 due to the Zuntata tunes.

Which makes me realiize, again, my list is pretty ffrivolous,, though all shmups on the list are excellent IMO. Soldier Blade is still probably my top though, so I shouldn't move that.

[CIT]

Soldier Blade is still probably my top though, so I shouldn't move that.

Then you need to assign 25 points to Soldier Blade.

The way it is now, Soldier Blade is the lowest ranking game on your list.

[j^aws]

Does anyone have links to all the previous years results? I tried searching but couldn't find them. Thanks in advance...

EDIT:

Nevermind, found them in this thread,

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... sc&start=0

[Edge]

You might want to check this thread:

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=7507

There are all the results of the previous poll's listed.

[Ed Oscuro]

can someone please explain the integers in the brackets?

List your favorite shooters, and rank them by how much better you think one game is than another. If you think Cross a Fear is five times better than Gecko 2, you could put [25] Cross a Fear and [5] Gecko 2, or [5] and [1], or [5000] and [1000], whatever. I suppose that way you could actually put in some games you don't like, for example [1000000] Batty Guns [1] de-Rezz On! - though they probably wouldn't appreciate that.

[Vincere]

[36014310] [Ikaruga]
[32412879] [Ketsui]
[32412879] [DoDonpachi Dai-Ou-Jou]
[32412879] [Radiant Silvergun]
[18007155] [Dimahoo]
[18007155] [Progear]
[18007155] [Ibara]
[18007155] [Battle Garegga]
[18007155] [Shikigami No Shiro 2]

WTF's with those figures?? haha

[elvis]

WTF's with those figures?? haha

I was thinking the same thing. Maybe he's used his high scores as game rankings?

[llabnip]

WTF's with those figures?? haha

I was thinking the same thing. Maybe he's used his high scores as game rankings?

His numbering is very logical, actually. Based on his rankings, Ikaruga is tops. He thinks Ketsui, DoDonpachi Dai-Ou-Jou and Radiant Silvergun are exactly 10% lower than his top ranking for Ikaruga. The rest are exactly half the ranking score of Ikaruga. It's a valid use of the scoring system (which he could have done by assigning Ikaruga a 10, the next three games a 9 and the rest a 5).

[Ed Oscuro]

Quick question about what's border line:

Do games like Forgotten Worlds (which is kinda in the vein of Section Z and Side Arms) and Battle Mania 2: TS Vintage count?

[CIT]

"Borderliners" are anything that doesn't have automatic scrolling (i.e. Ikari Warriors) and/or scroll in anything other than vertical, horizontal or diagonal directions (i.e. Space Harrier).

The games you list are shmups.

[Ed Oscuro]

Once again, Borderline is a shmup, then. (Wrong thread, but that terminology has been bothering me ever since I first saw it...can't get any sleep at night thinking about it :wink: )

Gonna update my list now, thanks!

[CIT]

I don't agree with that terminology either, as far as I'm concerned anything where you shoot a lot is a shooter, but those are the parameters set for this poll.

[Ed Oscuro]

I don't mean that I disagree with the parameters of the poll - I just mean that we're using a name to classify games when the game of that name fits every bit as much as Spy Hunter would (which I think doesn't really fit in the poll, but regardless). Does that make any sense? It'd be like saying "you can't choose Invader games like...um, Real Time Strategy games, where you invade things," but of course Space Invaders is allowed. ;)

Am I incorrect in thinking that Spy Hunter should count?

[Turrican]

I don't mean that I disagree with the parameters of the poll - I just mean that we're using a name to classify games when the game of that name fits every bit as much as Spy Hunter would (which I think doesn't really fit in the poll, but regardless). Does that make any sense? It'd be like saying "you can't choose Invader games like...um, Real Time Strategy games, where you invade things," but of course Space Invaders is allowed.

Am I incorrect in thinking that Spy Hunter should count?

Ed, "Borderliners" is not used as a reference to that game. It's an english word that means on the edge of a genre's border... The fact that there's a shmup named Borderline is purely incidental.

[JBC]

It makes me barf to see how few people are voting for Viper Phase 1.

[DC906270]

GPs list seems more like a current faves list rather than an all-time best list IMO

[Turrican]

1 datastorm (amiga) Nobody seems to mention this game, it's great!

I was in doubt between it and the classic Dropzone, but eventually i voted for the latter. However yes, it's a great game that deserves more love.

And I love the quote from its author:

Just 512K of free memory, one 68000 and three ladies. - Søren Grønbech

[Turrican]

[15] [Guerilla Wars (NES)]

I love you. What can I say, if this game could be eligible, I would change my top 25 and would assign all my votes just to it!

However, as awesome it is to be Castro and fight Batista's oppressive regime, the game won't pass as a shmup (and rightly so, I'd add).

[Keranu]

I consider Guerilla Wars as a shmup since it takes the shmup style and puts it in an overhead scroller view, like Ikari Warriors and the such. Are platform shooters considered shmups here? If so, then I think the poor overhead shooters should deserve such a title as well .