HDFury 4s

[orange808]

Hello, I have been lurking for a while, but I finally have the means to build a gaming setup.

Here's what I need to know: How does the HDFury 4s perform as a scaler? Out of curiosity, has anyone tested out the deinterlacing? (Don't know when I would use it, just curious.)

I would like to use the Hdfury 4s together with an OSSC. I'm hoping to buy an OSSC and the sound add on card (when it comes out), but Hdfury is going to stop selling the 4s soon!

Should I wait to get a DVDO iscan VP50pro off eBay or just buy the 4s?

I'm most concerned about input lag. I understand the VP50pro can scale 480p to 1080p in 6ms. Can the 4s compete?

[Guspaz]

Since the OSSC+HDF4S cost is nearly $600, does it really make sense to go that route instead of a Framemeister?

[ZellSF]

Really not sure why you want a HDF4S, but are willing to go with a DVDO VP50Pro and a DVDO VP50 isn't good enough?

What exactly are you intending to do?

[orange808]

Since the OSSC+HDF4S cost is nearly $600, does it really make sense to go that route instead of a Framemeister?

20ms is too much. My LCD display is already 13ms of lag using a native HDMI at 1080p--and the built in scaler is already adding under 20ms in game mode. Its about 2 frames now--I want less.

I can feel the difference between my Trinitron and my LCD tv. I want ~20 ms total lag.

[Fudoh]

input lag wasn't an issue on the HDF4, but overall it was merely more than an experiment using an alternative FW flash. I wouldn't recommend it. The great thing about the DVDOs is that you have full aspect ratio controls, overscan controls etc, exactly what the OSSC is missing compared to the Framemeister.

If you're in the US you might want to grab one of the VP50 on ebay.com at the moment. Reasonably priced and ex-DVDO inventory.

[orange808]

Really not sure why you want a HDF4S, but are willing to go with a DVDO VP50Pro and a DVDO VP50 isn't good enough?

What exactly are you intending to do?

The VP50 software is a bit of a trainwreck. I already have a Silicon Optix Image Anyplace for the supergun, but I would like to have a processor that can work faster (and output 1080p).

I'm not much of a videophile. I just need my games to feel right. I'm tired of guessing when Mr Sandman is going to uppercut. I should be able to dodge when he blinks.

[orange808]

input lag wasn't an issue on the HDF4, but overall it was merely more than an experiment using an alternative FW flash. I wouldn't recommend it. The great thing about the DVDOs is that you have full aspect ratio controls, overscan controls etc, exactly what the OSSC is missing compared to the Framemeister.

If you're in the US you might want to grab one of the VP50 on ebay.com at the moment. Reasonably priced and ex-DVDO inventory.

One more question, would the VP50 be worth it or should I stick with my Image Anyplace at 720p?

[Fudoh]

Why do you think the VP50 software is a trainwreck ? Yes, it's not the best processor for 240p sources because of its incompatibilities, but it's hell of a companion to the OSSC. And I thought this was your initial question.

The HDF is a lovely processor, but you can't add scanlines unless you set it to 480p and use it's analogue RGBHV output and its processing lag for 240p sources is a little above 2 frames if I remember right (around 36ms or so). The VP50+OSSC combo is at a solid 6ms.

OSSC+Image Anyplace would be an option, the SO's scaling engine isn't good enough to scale a scanlined image.

It currently doesn't get any better than a OSSC/DVDO combo. Rotation is the ONLY thing this setup is missing, but for that you keep the SOIA around.

[orange808]

Why do you think the VP50 software is a trainwreck ? Yes, it's not the best processor for 240p sources because of its incompatibilities, but it's hell of a companion to the OSSC. And I thought this was your initial question.

The HDF is a lovely processor, but you can't add scanlines unless you set it to 480p and use it's analogue RGBHV output and its processing lag for 240p sources is a little above 2 frames if I remember right (around 36ms or so). The VP50+OSSC combo is at a solid 6ms.

OSSC+Image Anyplace would be an option, the SO's scaling engine isn't good enough to scale a scanlined image.

It currently doesn't get any better than a OSSC/DVDO combo. Rotation is the ONLY thing this setup is missing, but for that you keep the SOIA around.

I'll look into a VP50. Thanks again for taking the time to help me.

Also wanted to thank you for your website (it's the best resource out there) and everything you do for the community.

[ZellSF]

If 20ms is too much input lag, you really should consider if the DVDO VP is worth it, it will add 6ms input lag, which is nothing by itself, but still adds up (especially for a person who thinks 20ms is too much).

What you get for it is better aspect ratio and overscan controls and both are offered to some degree by the OSSC and your TV. You also get compatibility with OSSC's linetriple mode, but your TV might support that natively too.

Personally I recommend getting a DVDO VP anyway (they're great devices), running it to a splitter going to both your TV and your DVDO VP, that way you can choose between minimal input lag and more scaling adjustments.

[orange808]

If 20ms is too much input lag, you really should consider if the DVDO VP is worth it, it will add 6ms input lag, which is nothing by itself, but still adds up (especially for a person who thinks 20ms is too much).

What you get for it is better aspect ratio and overscan controls and both are offered to some degree by the OSSC and your TV. You also get compatibility with OSSC's linetriple mode, but your TV might support that natively too.

Personally I recommend getting a DVDO VP anyway (they're great devices), running it to a splitter going to both your TV and your DVDO VP, that way you can choose between minimal input lag and more scaling adjustments.

Adding 20 ms of lag to my display's 13.5 ms is too much.

The OSSC and a DVDO VP should be about 20 ms total--display included. That's what I'm looking for.

[Guspaz]

If you are that sensitive to lag, perhaps you should be connecting an OSSC directly to an EVO monitor, which would get you down to something like 4ms total.

[orange808]

If you are that sensitive to lag, perhaps you should be connecting an OSSC directly to an EVO monitor, which would get you down to something like 4ms total.

Sounds cool, but I am determined to use my new LCD panel. For zero lag, I still have the Trinitron. It's amazing what people will give away on Craigslist.

Hey, one more question: which DVDO iscan models can upscale 480p to 720p/1080p in 6ms? Does the VP30 need to ABT102 to accomplish that?

[orange808]

If you are that sensitive to lag, perhaps you should be connecting an OSSC directly to an EVO monitor, which would get you down to something like 4ms total.

Sounds cool, but I am determined to use my new LCD panel. For zero lag, I still have the Trinitron. It's amazing what people will give away on Craigslist.

Hey, one more question: which DVDO iscan models can upscale 480p to 720p/1080p in 6ms? Does the VP30 need to ABT102 to accomplish that?

Never mind. Found the answer. (Search is my friend.) Apparently, the VP30 does handle progressive sources in about 6 ms.

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... p#p1146636

[Fudoh]

as well as the HD and HD+, VP50 and the 50Pro. The VP50 couldn't do it initally, but got the proper FW to do so later on.