GamerGate - and it's continuing aftermath.

[Skykid]

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STOP MANSPLAINING

Genius.

[evil_ash_xero]

I can't believe anyone takes Wu seriously. I mean, it's so obvious that...um...she is just taking advantage of the situation, to make the sympathy bucks.

[Durandal]

Much like how Mischief Maker said that the backlash against Metroid: Other M against changing Samus into a character that contradicted everyone's pre-established views on her could be used as proof that fans just hate dumb changes instead of women, so has someone else gotten the right idea (which ironically involves Metroid again):
http://heatst.com/tech/backlash-over-al ... b-changes/

[BIL]

I can't believe anyone takes Wu seriously. I mean, it's so obvious that...um...she is just taking advantage of the situation, to make the sympathy bucks.

It's fascinating on many levels, down to the backers. This other character Kiva Bay raised $30,000 to fund a "Feminist Deck," a rueful tale of woe in itself. Epic delays ensued, until a couple months back - oops, I can't deliver and I spent all the money on other stuff! Backer after backer responds with "totes cool, hope you're doin ok, don't even try to refund me." Maybe it's charity but I dunno... P.T. Barnum's famous quote comes to mind.

I wonder if Rev60 for PC's impending collapse will have a similarly Kool Aid-chugging denouement.

[evil_ash_xero]

I heard about that Feminist Deck thing. Bizarre. Even funnier how it turned out.

[BIL]

Prepare ur wallets, diehard Rev60 fans! If u want 2 play, next week u got 2 pay! ;3



Wait what - "February 2015?" I don't underst-



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Hwaaa...

I'm sorry. My schadenboner prematurely detonated at the caress of that brass neck, and those even brassier balls. Thank you Ms. Wu, same time next week? ;3 ^o^

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Delayed until September 6th?! GAHHH BRIANNA STOP YOUR GONNA BREAK IT CLEAN OFF No for real, you need to pace yourself. This is a lot for one 24hrs.

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I'm exhausted, leave me alone!

[Volteccer_Jack]

I can't believe anyone takes Wu seriously. I mean, it's so obvious that...um...she is just taking advantage of the situation, to make the sympathy bucks.

It's fascinating on many levels, down to the backers. This other character Kiva Bay raised $30,000 to fund a "Feminist Deck," a rueful tale of woe in itself. Epic delays ensued, until a couple months back - oops, I can't deliver and I spent all the money on other stuff! Backer after backer responds with "totes cool, hope you're doin ok, don't even try to refund me." Maybe it's charity but I dunno... P.T. Barnum's famous quote comes to mind.

I wonder if Rev60 for PC's impending collapse will have a similarly Kool Aid-chugging denouement.

It makes sense where that response comes from psychologically. A lot of the money that goes to these crowdfunding things is just extra cash people throw to the wind for the idea of the product, and if something doesn't really matter to you you're not gonna wanna cause trouble over it. Like a really busy restaurant screws up your order and you let it slide, except they screwed up EVERY order and EVERYONE is letting it slide.

I just imagine an evil corporate exec meeting with stockholders the same way:
CEO: So, uh, sorry guys, we didn't actually manufacture all those cars we said we would. We meant to, but all kinds of bad stuff happened and my life is super-stressful right now. Sorry
Stockholder: That's fine. I just hope you're okay.
CEO: It would be really helpful if you gave me more money, though.
Stockholder: Obviously. Just tell me how many zeroes you need on the check.

...and then they both buy $7 coffee at Starbucks and laugh at poor people.

[BIL]

That's definitely my take on the client side, too. It's why I bear no real contempt for even Kiva Bay's apologists. They're happy, and technically nobody's getting hurt... much... so eh.

On the producer side, it's the sheer parasitism that keeps me poppin' corn and rubbernecking at the unfolding pileup. Wu in particular, self-styled "game developer..." there is a documented, extensive, friggin yawning eldritch void of accomplishment and ability there - hell, even of effort! It's ghoulishly mesmerising to watch her attempts at papering it over, and sickly amusing that people fall for it however well-meaningly.

I was and still am a big fan of Alan Partridge prior to this whole bunfight kicking off, but these people are giving a finely honed and calibrated comedic creation a brutal run for his money! This latest Rev60 go-around is on par with Alan's famous Dante Fires presentation. It wouldn't surprise me if Wu claims to have also stepped on an iron spike prior to the inevitable 2017 delay. One left there by the commander's resurgent parkour ninja army, who are also plotting to bum her dog but can't seem to commence the mission - so the poor thing just lives in a sort of fearful limbo. Which is worse, obviously. Donate generously pls.

Endgame seems to be approaching though, Kickstarter backer revolt might be gaining ground. Maybe she'll do a runner to Belize?

And the wider bunfight, dear lord... where's young ag1999 today? You little rascal ag, how dare you complain about being born too late! We had to pay for this shit when I were a lad! Now it's spewing out uncontrollably! Then I retire to play games I downloaded, also FO FREE! Fuckin' rules!

[atheistgod1999]

where's young ag1999 today? You little rascal ag, how dare you complain about being born too late! We had to pay for this shit when I were a lad! Now it's spewing out uncontrollably! Then I retire to play games I downloaded, also FO FREE! Fuckin' rules!

If emulators are 100% accurate and there's no reason to use original hardware, how come there's a whole thread dedicated to gaming setups, and I see people posting pictures of old consoles and games they got in the "Awesome Stuff You've Just Bought" thread?

[maximo310]

where's young ag1999 today? You little rascal ag, how dare you complain about being born too late! We had to pay for this shit when I were a lad! Now it's spewing out uncontrollably! Then I retire to play games I downloaded, also FO FREE! Fuckin' rules!

If emulators are 100% accurate and there's no reason to use original hardware, how come there's a whole thread dedicated to gaming setups, and I see people posting pictures of old consoles and games they got in the "Awesome Stuff You've Just Bought" thread?

Because people like to own physical games and have good gaming setups. It's mostly tied to your personal choices on how much you want to spend on.
But keep telling everyone about the evil emulators while complaining about the high prices of the physical market.

[WelshMegalodon]

If emulators are 100% accurate

Except that they're not, though a select few are quite close. I can count on one hand the number of emulators with 100% compatibility, and not even higan emulates certain obscure aspects of the Super Famicom (and peripherals).

and there's no reason to use original hardware

How about latency, sync issues, genuine low res, RGB monitors, inaccurate emulation, or the desire not to pirate games? You know, things that are brought up here all the time.

Emulation isn't perfect. This is probably better known here than anywhere else. But the preservation aspect and the fact that they perform as well as they do makes them a very acceptable alternative. Playing Gradius III in higan v098 for free is a hell of a lot better than buying an overpriced SNES from some douchebag that doesn't even play it, buying an overpriced cart from a second douchebag, and then removing the tabs because you bought a Japanese cart.

how come there's a whole thread dedicated to gaming setups, and I see people posting pictures of old consoles and games they got in the "Awesome Stuff You've Just Bought" thread?

Because old games and consoles are cool?

[atheistgod1999]

latency

latency

latency

Well, that's the only reason I need to not ever use an emulator.

[WelshMegalodon]

So use GroovyMAME.

[BIL]

If emulators are 100% accurate and there's no reason to use original hardware, how come there's a whole thread dedicated to gaming setups, and I see people posting pictures of old consoles and games they got in the "Awesome Stuff You've Just Bought" thread?

Nobody said the bolded, you FUCK (・｀W´・)

And the point, my little hard gay taco, is that nowadays you can enjoy a whole lotta stuff with minimal to no compromise beamed directly down your intertube, FO FREE...

AND buy the real stuff. If you're a bitterly obsessed lunatic. Like me! (｀ω´メ)

BITD you could do one of these things. Guess which, asshole! (・｀W´・)

Well no. You could go out and rob muhfuckas blind but that could get you in deep shit. Instead I'm gonna check out some shaweet black metal albums FinalBaton posted in the music thread later. Back in my day if I wanted to try out new music I'd have to spend fuckin money, and I could end up with a total waste of time like this:

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I just flushed 2MB of your data down the shitter for what turned out to be a remarkably homoerotic exploration of fit male bodies via the medium of full-contact sport? Waaa! That'd be $20USD in my day, bitch!

What I'm saying is internet beats no internet. ¦3

latency

latency

latency

Well, that's the only reason I need to not ever use an emulator.

Oh pls, dozens if not more players around here attain mind-blowing world-class results with emulators. You can totally enjoy a bit of kusoclearing while you finish growing up and eventually gain the means to play on real gear. Try it out! It's fun and practical, unlike moping around the forum! You will gain much insight into what sort of gaming you really like. I PROMISE AG, I PROMISE BRO

[BIL]

Jesus Christ. Hey ag99, look what popped up in my sidebar while I was watching some old Japanese videogame commercials I could've never seen in their day. Ten minute vid, you won't regret:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h80uso70GLs

If you can't appreciate this sort of snow-white insanity floating down from the aether like manna from motherfucking heaven, I don't know what to say. These are some amusing times bro. ;-;

[Ed Oscuro]

hey gais wats goin on, I'll just drop this
http://9gag.com/gag/apB2yzE
lost my shit at the last comparison - cosplayer looks more like bulimia.com

but what really did it was kinzlei's comment.

[CIT]

lost my shit at the last comparison - cosplayer looks more like bulimia.com

No, absolutely not! Actually ALL the cosplayers in the pic have what is in medical terms considered a normal body type and all the characters in the middle comparison are what would be considered obese (which starts at BMI >30).

This is part of the reason why this whole fat-acceptance bullshit is so problematic. It throws science out the window and has completely fucked with our perception of what a healthy body type actually is.

Do you know this stupid Dove ad, showing "real women" as opposed to the "unrealistic and unattainable ideal"? Well guess what, all the women in the ad are overweight or obese. So maybe it's "real women" in the sense that it's the body type you're most likely to find with American women, but it's nothing you should consider a normal, healthy body.

To illustrate:

These women are obese:



These women are slightly overweight:



These women have a normal BMI:



These women are underweight:

[Squire Grooktook]

Well, that's the only reason I need to not ever use an emulator.

Think of it this way.

There are countless legendary games worth playing out there. You can either play them (some with minor imperfections which are so insignificant you will not notice while playing them) via emulators, or you can never play them at all, because guaranteed you will never be able to afford or find half of these games. And they are all worth playing.

As also stated, latency isn't even an issue with all emulators. Some are better emulated than others. Playing Gradius 5 on an emulator gives me less lag then if I played it on my ps3. And if you have to play a game with +1 frame of input lag? Who the fuck cares. Most games have inherent input lag anyway. Guaranteed you will never be able to tell the difference (I'm obsessive about input lag, and even I can't tell most of the time). It's better than not playing at all, or waiting 30 years to play.

And as BIL stated, if you have some favorites that you encountered via emulation, you can always attempt to buy those after checking them out with emulation. Just play the damn games!

[BIL]

Imagine if Kamui had gone BUHHH THE INPUT LATENCY INHERENT TO THE REAL PCB instead of demolishing Garegga with her bare hands, lmao.

THATS WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE TO US RIGHT NOW AG (・｀ω´・)
REPENT YOU STUBBORN LITTLE TACO (・｀W´・)

Also track down a Ninja Gaiden III cartridge, that'll keep you busy and further your standing as the NG team's promising new rookie ;3 ;3 ;3

[atheistgod1999]

First off, I can notice a frame of input lag.

One time I started up Super Hexagon on my PC (back when I only had a 60Hz monitor) and immediately noticed that there was input lag. I then realized that V-Sync was enabled and turned it off, and the lag went away.

It's one thing if the real deal has input lag because that's just how the game is, but if an emulator increases/introduces input lag, then it can totally fuck it up.

I think this discussion should be moved to State of Emulation or something.

[Squire Grooktook]

then the game is all of a sudden not being played as intended and can totally fuck it up.

There was no "intention", as the developers didn't account for lag in the first place. Various ports have varying amounts of lag as well, so you could think of that as developer OK-d lag.

Input lag reduces your reaction ability by X number of frames of lag. It's a thing, yes, but all you have to do is react faster. GET GOOD SCRUB.

Everything else about the game will play as intended and not be "totally fucked up". If you're absolutely obsessive about it, then choose emulators with less lag. Higan for 8/16 bit console titles, shmup/groovy mame and mameplus, etc.

Now as I said.

Just play the damn games!

[BIL]

It's one thing if the real deal has input lag because that's just how the game is, but if an emulator increases/introduces input lag, then it can totally fuck it up.

I assure you, by blindly abstaining, the only thing getting fucked in the majority of cases will be your gaming time! Obviously stuff like STV and Naomi is Saturn/DC or bust, but there's a million other games you could play more than acceptably in the meantime. I'd much sooner ask Prometheus about DDP mechanics than a collector with a full PCB kit and a bomb-spamming 1ALL shitclear. Wouldn't you?

Now, arguably, the JP WR holder would be an even better subject to ask! But this is about calculated compromise. As is life son. You are a young noob without much cash born into a world of cruel "retro game" (ugh) pricing. Being a whiny little bitch and abstaining from perfectly workable compromises will get you jack shit!

And btw I refuse to play Zanac Neo and Little Ralph in ePSXe, both felt like shit to me the last time I checked! I got the real stuff so whatever but I'm not just preaching at you here ag!!

I think this discussion should be moved to State of Emulation or something.

Ha! Shumpsfarm High Command will incinerate this ill-regarded thread and all of us within it before extending such niceties. You've stepped into a world of pain son. Or as I prefer to regard it, a world of hard truths. ¦3

[EmperorIng]

Is there still no decent ST-V emulation? Or are you in the funny position of having to emulate the Saturn to play its ST-V ports? I'm only thinking out loud of the best way to play Soukyugurentai in the future without, well, owning Souky.

[BIL]

Still kinda fucked afaik :V

Regardless though, with the STV/SS and Naomi/DC connection, those consoles are basically superguns with added stuff FO FREE so I'd never be without 'em.

[tomwhite2004]

The recently released mednafen saturn core is fantastic and does a very good job of playing the stv ports, better than ssf already...

[BIL]

These women are slightly overweight:

AKA "I'd eat that pussy like Jeffrey Dahmer" weight

[atheistgod1999]

I DON'T CARE ABOUT FUCKING EMULATORS IF THEY HAVE LAG! THEY CANNOT HAVE LAG! I AM NOT CHANGING MY FUCKING MIND! I'd rather play fewer games that work perfectly than more that have issues; quality over quantity, people!

And as I said before, this has nothing to do with Gamergate.

[BIL]

In that case, GET A JOB YOU FUCKIN BUM

^ poverty-shaming from a position of privilege; it's about GG now ;3

Also lmao @ notion you can't be selective with TEH ROMZ. You can, I do it all the time. Keep a "good" folder and a "test" folder, the latter regularly pruned. Job done!

[atheistgod1999]

In that case, GET A JOB YOU FUCKIN BUM

I FUCKING TRIED, BUT NO ONE HIRED ME! I'll wait until I'm 18 so I actually have a chance; my birthday is only a couple months into the school year so I can have a job for most of my senior year.

[BIL]

More time for games and other enjoyments then

Nah, if emulating makes you miserable then avoid it, I guess. From bitter experience though, a couple frames' input lag (that you'll adjust to unconsciously in all but the most absolutely bleeding-edge world class performances) is easily worth it for getting to experience a wider range of stuff than your current situation allows.

Also, to steer things back on topic, back in my day you'd not only have no games, you'd have no assholes on the internet to laugh at! So nyah!