Questions that do not deserve a thread

[Ikaruga11]

Red is the oldest and simpest LED color to make.

Source?

It's also the least irritating to the eyes in a dark room when it's glowing, I'm sure that probably played some sort of role.

Source?

[Shoryukev]

I found this in a quick google search. I remember learning about it in junior-high science class, but I've forgotten a lot of things since then LOL

The Rhodopsin contained within the rods in your eyes are less sensitive to the color red within longer wavelengths of light. You may have seen the Military using red light to read maps and preserve their night vision. Although, there has been a shift recently to using green light or a blue-green light instead of red.

[creamygarlicdip]

Anyone recommend a pc internal or external capture card for streaming retro consoles that does s-video and component video? looking for something under 100 bucks.

[Arasoi]

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[Fudoh]

source signal was from a Wii

my bad - sorry if this caused any confusion!

[bobrocks95]

How did you force 480p? The one WAD patch I tried in the past didn't work.

[Arasoi]

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[thepillo]

Hello,

Has anyone used a component to hdmi converter such as

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fosmon-RGB-Comp ... SwX~dWnVUL

http://www.ebay.com/itm/YPbPr-to-HDMI-C ... SwoBtW6ish

and has confirmed that 240p and 480i sources are able to be passed through?

Thanks!

[Guspaz]

Red is the oldest and simpest LED color to make.

Source?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-emi ... ly_devices

"The first visible-spectrum (red) LED was developed in 1962"

It's also the least irritating to the eyes in a dark room when it's glowing, I'm sure that probably played some sort of role.

Source?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... tivity.svg

Combined with this quote from the previous article:

"The first high-brightness blue LED was demonstrated by Shuji Nakamura of Nichia Corporation in 1994"

[bobrocks95]

It can be 480p/progressive forced over component with Wiiflow. My MM9/10 wad files had to be prepatched for progressive output on all 3 video modes with waninkoko's video mode changer beforehand, then installed. Then open in Wiiflow, and force to progressive for 480p. I've tried for a long time to make the game boot in 240p - it just wont, no matter what is patched or any mode tried. So the only way I know of to get 240p from these games that looks good is to:

480p component output from Wii --> VGA transcoder (X Select D4 in my case) --> Downscaler (UVC, Extron Super Emotia GX, Mimo Genius II) --> RGBS via BNC to 240p capable monitor (in my case, an NEC XM29)

I use an Extron Super Emotia GX for the pictures shown, the result is pretty good IMO. I will be upgrading to a Mimo unit at some point for a possibly better result, but it may be with the way the image renders the line blending method Super Emotia GX uses is necessary to not have image artifacting.

Edit - I would like to state Fudoh helped me out a ton with this too, and as usual is a great guy

Aha! I patched with Waninkoko's app I believe, but never then tried to use any other sort of loader to force progressive. It's been a while, I will give this a shot thanks!

[Arasoi]

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[Ikaruga11]

So red LEDs will create the least amount of eyestrain?

[Guspaz]

Yes, and the fact that it doesn't degrade night vision as severely is why it's used in militaries. That has nothing to do with why red LEDs were common in consumer electronics in the 80s and 90s though: they were cheaper and more efficient than green LEDs at the time, and practical blue (and white) LEDs didn't exist yet.

[Ikaruga11]

Yes, and the fact that it doesn't degrade night vision as severely is why it's used in militaries. That has nothing to do with why red LEDs were common in consumer electronics in the 80s and 90s though: they were cheaper and more efficient than green LEDs at the time, and practical blue (and white) LEDs didn't exist yet.

Thanks.

Does the N64 RGB board sold by RetroFixes have the VI DeBlur?

Can I have both the Ultra HDMI and RGB Board installed on the same N64? Any advantages or disadvantages with that?

Can the Ultra HDMI output 240p and 480i unscaled?

[bobrocks95]

Does the N64 RGB board sold by RetroFixes have the VI DeBlur?

They're just selling a simple THS7314 amp for the early N64's, it can't do anything beyond boost the existing signals.

Can I have both the Ultra HDMI and RGB Board installed on the same N64? Any advantages or disadvantages with that?

You can, and as far as I know there are no disadvantages. Advantages are obvious, you'll have RGB and HDMI.

Can the Ultra HDMI output 240p and 480i unscaled?

480p+ only. I can't think of a usage scenario where you'd want 240p or 480i over HDMI anyway, so I'm curious what your usage scenario is here.

[Ikaruga11]

They're just selling a simple THS7314 amp for the early N64's, it can't do anything beyond boost the existing signals.

Is anyone selling an RGB Board with VI DeBlur?

You can, and as far as I know there are no disadvantages. Advantages are obvious, you'll have RGB and HDMI.

Nice.

480p+ only. I can't think of a usage scenario where you'd want 240p or 480i over HDMI anyway, so I'm curious what your usage scenario is here.

480p upscaled? That will create lag. Why can't it output at 240p and 480i? HDMI to a BVM.

[Guspaz]

That doesn't make any sense. There are no CRT BVMs with HDMI support, and the later LCD/OLED BVMs are unlikely to be able to match the quality or latency (zero, that is) of the UltraHDMI with all processing turned off. It would seem they have some integer scaling modes, but not a 4x/4.5x/5x scale that you'd want.

[bobrocks95]

No problem. I think I could create IPS patches from my patched WADs if necessary, I knew a few folks on here were interested in trying this so maybe I could whip up an instructional topic or something with a download package with all the utilities needed.

That would be really helpful, as I just spent around 30 minutes trying to do it without success. Used Waninkoko's video mode changer from an extracted wad, repacked it, installed with wad manager, and then it would always boot in 480i, even using launchers (tried Wiiloader and USB Loader GX) to force 480p. I remember it crashing before so I guess I've tried at least one other unsuccessful method in the past...

I remember at least 2 other people on this board attempting 480p patches as well.

Is anyone selling an RGB Board with VI DeBlur?

Tim's N64RGB board can be flashed with a firmware that adds the VI DeBlur functionality through a switch. He was going to offer the firmware already installed, but ended up not doing so, and lack of word from Tim implies it'll be quite a while before we see that firmware stock. See the last couple of pages of this thread: http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=56988

480p upscaled? That will create lag. Why can't it output at 240p and 480i? HDMI to a BVM.

As Guspaz said that doesn't make any sense. 480p is a simple linedouble from 240p and can be done completely lag-free (which the UltraHDMI will do if you tell it to), and you can't plug HDMI into a BVM. If your plan was to transcode it then there's no point in getting the UltraHDMI anyway.

[FinalBaton]

What are the options (external machines, good to great) for deinterlacing 480i PS2 games from the console?

I know I asked that one before but I totally forgot the answers I got >w>
Sorry for the repeat, I'll try not to make that happen again!



FWIW I searched threads on here and I found info here and there, but it seemed pretty scathered around. Well from what I saw, anyway.
Oh, and I don't think I'll be considering GSM because I hate fiddling with files and stuff. I'm a plug and play guy, anything more is enough to put me off from gaming...

[Ikaruga11]

As Guspaz said that doesn't make any sense. 480p is a simple linedouble from 240p and can be done completely lag-free (which the UltraHDMI will do if you tell it to)

So the UltraHDMI can render N64 games at 480p? So like nanoseconds of lag?

and you can't plug HDMI into a BVM.

Not directly. But with a simple HDMI -> SDI cable.

If your plan was to transcode it then there's no point in getting the UltraHDMI anyway.

Why not?

[Guspaz]

As Guspaz said that doesn't make any sense. 480p is a simple linedouble from 240p and can be done completely lag-free (which the UltraHDMI will do if you tell it to)

So the UltraHDMI can render N64 games at 480p? So like nanoseconds of lag?

The UltraHDMI can render N64 games at any resolution from 480i to 1080p with no lag, it's producing multiple output scanlines for every input scanline.

and you can't plug HDMI into a BVM.

Not directly. But with a simple HDMI -> SDI cable.

That makes about as much sense as "a simple HDMI -> RGBS cable". HDMI and SDI are completely different standards that work in different ways, and an active powered converter is required. You can still find some converters that support SD-SDI (480i/576i), but finding one that supports ED-SDI is virtually impossible (and the BVM SDI cards don't support it either). Those that support 480i are unlikely to support 240p. And you'd need an SD-SDI input card for the BVM, since the HD-SDI cards don't support SD-SDI resolutions.

If your plan was to transcode it then there's no point in getting the UltraHDMI anyway.

Why not?

Because you're basically spending hundreds of extra dollars in N64 mods, SDI converters, coax cables, SDI input boards, and some sort of downscaler if you want to feed native 240p to the display... just to get exactly the same image quality as if you just fed the N64RGB signal to the BVM as RGBS.

About the only scenario that the UltraHDMI makes sense on the BVM is if you intended to use HD and convert 720p HDMI to HD-SDI. But using it for 480i (or 240p, which it doesn't support, but could be achieved by a downscaler) is silly.

EDIT: HDMI to SDI conversion may also possibly add lag, depending on the converter. In theory there should not be any lag, and some vendors like BlackMagic will confirm this, but good luck finding out if the $40 noname units have any lag without buying it and trying it yourself.

EDIT 2: Even if you wanted to feed something like 720p, you could also use an HDMI-to-VGA converter with a sync converter to get from RGBHV to RGsB or RGBS.

[Ikaruga11]

Okay, I guess HDMI is out of the equation for a BVM. I have a 480p/1080i HD CRT with an HDMI input, and a 1080p IPS LED Eizo monitor with HDMI inputs. Would you recommend the N64 (if I get UltraHDMI) for the Sony XBR960 HD CRT or IPS 1080p LED monitor?

If going the BVM route, RGB is the best (and only) option. Don't the SNES Component Cables work on the N64?

[Guspaz]

Okay, I guess HDMI is out of the equation for a BVM. I have a 480p/1080i HD CRT with an HDMI input, and a 1080p IPS LED Eizo monitor with HDMI inputs. Would you recommend the N64 (if I get UltraHDMI) for the Sony XBR960 HD CRT or IPS 1080p LED monitor?

If going the BVM route, RGB is the best (and only) option. Don't the SNES Component Cables work on the N64?

The SNES component cables work on an RGB-modded N64, but have only been officially tested with the RGB amp mod, not the N64RGB. That would be a 240p/480i output, though: not as good an option on an HD CRT or LCD.

[Ikaruga11]

Okay, I guess HDMI is out of the equation for a BVM. I have a 480p/1080i HD CRT with an HDMI input, and a 1080p IPS LED Eizo monitor with HDMI inputs. Would you recommend the N64 (if I get UltraHDMI) for the Sony XBR960 HD CRT or IPS 1080p LED monitor?

If going the BVM route, RGB is the best (and only) option. Don't the SNES Component Cables work on the N64?

The SNES component cables work on an RGB-modded N64, but have only been officially tested with the RGB amp mod, not the N64RGB. That would be a 240p/480i output, though: not as good an option on an HD CRT or LCD.

Yeah, I neglected to mention that. If I end up using the HD Retrovision SNES Component Cables for my Nintendo 64, it would have to be on a BVM.

HD CRTs upscale 240p and 480i content, resulting in input lag. LCDs do the same thing, but would end up with an even worse picture and input lag unless I use a Framemeister (which I don't have).

[Guspaz]

If you have a BVM, you wouldn't need the HDR cables, you could just use an RGB cable.

[bobrocks95]

You really have to ask yourself which display you'd like to play it on, keeping in mind that using the BVM will turn out to be ~$100 cheaper considering the cost of UltraHDMI.

[Ikaruga11]

I don't have a BVM, but I want one. Only have the LCD and HD CRT at the moment.

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[Fudoh]

What are the options (external machines, good to great) for deinterlacing 480i PS2 games from the console?

that's not easy to answer, since different users might be looking for different results. Overall the two best solutions for 480i are the DVDOs on one side starting with the ABT102 card (VP30+ABT, VP50, 50Pro, Edge and Duo) and the Framemeister on the other side. The DVDs apply much more smoothing (resulting in a great result, but a quite different image from a native 480p source), while the Framemeister maintains a pixelated look and almost hits native 480p quality. (Almost) everything else is miles away from these two solutions. FM has HDMI-out only, while the older DVDOs (VP30/50/50Pro) have a full set of analogue outputs as well. DVDO + HD CRT is an amazing experience.

VP50 is available at $190 on ebay.com - that would be your best option (not only for 480i, but for the best 240p solution as well if combined with an OSSC).

This a nice example video of the VP50's upscaling on a PS2 480i title: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xc2lxhyjRc

[FinalBaton]

What are the options (external machines, good to great) for deinterlacing 480i PS2 games from the console?

that's not easy to answer, since different users might be looking for different results. Overall the two best solutions for 480i are the DVDOs on one side starting with the ABT102 card (VP30+ABT, VP50, 50Pro, Edge and Duo) and the Framemeister on the other side. The DVDs apply much more smoothing (resulting in a great result, but a quite different image from a native 480p source), while the Framemeister maintains a pixelated look and almost hits native 480p quality. (Almost) everything else is miles away from these two solutions. FM has HDMI-out only, while the older DVDOs (VP30/50/50Pro) have a full set of analogue outputs as well. DVDO + HD CRT is an amazing experience.

VP50 is available at $190 on ebay.com - that would be your best option (not only for 480i, but for the best 240p solution as well if combined with an OSSC).

This a nice example video of the VP50's upscaling on a PS2 480i title: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xc2lxhyjRc

Thanks a bunch Fudoh! Your input is extremely appreciated and useful, as usual!

I will be gaming mostly on the NEC. How much lag are we looking at here with the VP50?

I never tought about going higher than 480p! But are you saying that 480i ps2 games will look even better, through the VP50, upscaled to 720p/1080i, than they will deinterlaced to 480p? the NEC can take all those res natively so I could certainly roll with that!