Company making indistinguishable reprints of rarities eg REZ

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:41 pm

I advise sethsez not to waste more rational thinking on this issue. There is no end to this, trust me.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:52 pm

Rob wrote:I advise sethsez not to waste more rational thinking on this issue. There is no end to this, trust me.

Our side of the argument doesn't have any butter for fuel in this discussion.

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:57 pm

Nemo wrote:bullshit

Oh dear god.

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:30 am

sethsez wrote:
Nemo wrote:truth
Oh dear god.

How's that humble pie taste?

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:04 am

Humble pie? What you said was absolutely ridiculous, and stretches the definitions of "collector" and "investment" far past the breaking point.

He has no intentions of making a profit. He'll take a profit if he can get it, obviously, but it is in no way a motivating factor in whether he buys a game or not, nor does he expect it from any game he buys. If I buy a car and then when I decide to sell it I find a buyer who'll pay more than it cost me, yes, I'll jump at the chance, but that does not make me a car collector, it just means I have some fucking common sense when it comes to selling things. If I buy a book I don't wipe my ass with the dust cover because that kills the resale value, but that doesn't make me a book collector, it means that I know I probably won't read it more than once so I probably won't wind up keeping it.

You're claiming that caring about potential resale value at all, in any possible capacity is a collector's mentality, which is retarded. I don't even understand how you make the leap from "buying a game, playing it once and then selling it at a loss" to "collector." The former is, in fact, pretty much the polor opposite of the latter.

This thread makes me worried that the entire forum has gone stupid, or at least a good chunk of it.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:20 am

There is only one thing to be said.

Collectors do not define or control any part of the videogame industry.. They never have and they never will.

If this company does good business, an influx or new trend of reprints will be born and the collectors days will be over.

Games by definition are not for collecting, they are for playing. If you are buying a product that is not bought for the purpose it was designed for, you are a fool...

If you want to collect something, collect money. Its universally accepted, it doesn't matter if you scratch it, tear it or bend it. You can collect all the bills which have Queens, presidents or Al qaeda on it, it don't matter. The more you collect, the more impressed your peers will be.. And you can get women! Hell you can even make the world a better place!

Games are just games and its really sad that a thread can go to 5 pages on such meaningless BS.

God, Mohammed, who ever is listening.. Change some characters on the reprints so this thread may rest in peace.. Its obviously a crisis on a scale to World war 2.. Where will it end?

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:23 am

sethsez wrote:Humble pie? What you said was absolutely ridiculous, and stretches the definitions of "collector" and "investment" far past the breaking point.

Come on, you're more intelligent than that, you have the capacity to understand "investment" outside of monetary confines. And I didn't say he's a collector because he buys games and resells them, that's where you misunderstood me, earlier I was implying that he's a collector because he holds onto the games he likes and wants games in pristine condition. I own about 10x as many games as Rob, but I'm no more a "collector" than he is simply for the fact that we both hold onto games we like and want to play again, I just happen to have a broader taste in games. Contrary to some people's belief "collector" isn't a dirty word, some people just have developed a negative connotation from the small sector of collectors who buy sealed games and keep them sealed for the sole purpose of making a profit later or just buy "rare" games for the bragging rights.

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:24 am

Nemo wrote:Come on, you're more intelligent than that, you have the capacity to understand "investment" outside of monetary confines.

But in the context of the discussion, monetary investment is all that matters. Today I spent $15 on Bust a Move DS and got what I feel is a good return on my investment, but that's not the kind of investment the initial post or the majority of this discussion has been about. Nobody was concerned that they'd like Rez less now that it's been reprinted, and Rob wasn't talking about how much keeping the manual intact adds to the game.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:26 am

Thats like saying if you have sex your a pervert.

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:30 am

*edit*

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:30 am

neorichieb1971 wrote:Thats like saying if you have sex your a pervert.

My reply was sarcastic, but I changed it since it fit in too well anyway.

Nemo wrote:
sethsez wrote:If you buy games you're a collector because collectors buy games.
Maybe I gave you too much credit.

That wasn't directed at you, it was directed at neorichie. Your reply wasn't there when I wrote that. Read what I edited.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:36 am

I think the terrorism of the neo geo forums has reached these shores.. Its a discease..

Seems like mods/admins only lock duplicate threads around here.. This one is long overdue.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:43 am

Nemo wrote:I own about 10x as many games as Rob, but I'm no more a "collector" than he is simply for the fact that we both hold onto games we like and want to play again

A fine point, but for some reason you feel the need to defend yourself.

I bet you really don't like all of those games.

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:43 am

sethsez wrote:
Nemo wrote:Come on, you're more intelligent than that, you have the capacity to understand "investment" outside of monetary confines.
But in the context of the discussion, monetary investment is all that matters. Today I spent $15 on Bust a Move DS and got what I feel is a good return on my investment, but that's not the kind of investment the initial post or the majority of this discussion has been about. Nobody was concerned that they'd like Rez less now that it's been reprinted, and Rob wasn't talking about how much keeping the manual intact adds to the game.

The only problem is I never brought investment into the convo, you did. I said Rob was a collector, and by your connotation of the word, you brought up investing as an inseparable characteristic of a collector. So my point from then on was to explain how investing can be a trait of a collector, but not for the sole purpose of profiting. Basically this whole tangent spun from different understanding of what a collector is.

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:49 am

You said he was a collector because he liked to keep his games pristine, and he gave a reasonable explanation for that.

Neo Rasa · Post by **Neo Rasa** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:51 am

neorichieb1971 wrote:I think the terrorism of the neo geo forums has reached these shores.. Its a discease..

Sadly one of the reasons I started posting here instead of there. D'oh.

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:52 am

Rob wrote:
Nemo wrote:I own about 10x as many games as Rob, but I'm no more a "collector" than he is simply for the fact that we both hold onto games we like and want to play again
A fine point, but for some reason you feel the need to defend yourself.

I bet you really don't like all of those games.

I'm not defending myself, but the integrity of the word "collector". It's almost as if most people believe being a gamer and a collector are polar opposites that can never coincide. Every game I own I really do like, and if my opinion happens to change, then I'll part with it. Just because a title isn't in heavy rotation doesn't mean I don't like it, I can get a craving for it once a year, and I'm glad I have it for that.

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:53 am

sethsez wrote:You said he was a collector because he liked to keep his games pristine, and he gave a reasonable explanation for that.

Right, but he also cares about the condtion of the games he doesn't plan to resell.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:55 am

Nemo wrote: Right, but he also cares about the condtion of the games he doesn't plan to resell.

In other news I don't drop bowls of spaghetti on the carpet.

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:00 am

Rob wrote:
Nemo wrote: Right, but he also cares about the condtion of the games he doesn't plan to resell.
In other news I don't drop bowls of spaghetti on the carpet.

You also don't keep games if they have a scratch on them.

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:01 am

Nemo wrote:Right, but he also cares about the condtion of the games he doesn't plan to resell.

Well, so do I. I think most people try to keep the things they buy in decent condition, mostly because it's really easy and because having things looking banged up or messy just looks bad. This isn't an issue if you keep stuff in a closet, but I have my games, DVDs and CDs on a couple bookshelves so I like it if they don't look like I ran a lawnmower over them.

Wanting to keep things you've bought in good condition is something collectors like to do, obviously, but they're hardly the only ones that do it. I'd like to think there's something universal about not wanting to let the things you've bought get ratty and torn up if you can help it.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:05 am

sethsez wrote:I'd like to think there's something universal about not wanting to let the things you've bought get ratty and torn up if you can help it.

Sadly eBay would seem to indicate otherwise.

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:10 am

I've always wondered why I've seen DVD cases absolutely torn to shreds. I mean, it takes literally no effort to keep it looking nice.

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:14 am

sethsez wrote:
Nemo wrote:Right, but he also cares about the condtion of the games he doesn't plan to resell.
Wanting to keep things you've bought in good condition is something collectors like to do, obviously, but they're hardly the only ones that do it. I'd like to think there's something universal about not wanting to let the things you've bought get ratty and torn up if you can help it.

There's nothing universal about, you're clearly a collector if you behave like this. Have you been to a game store lately, not even to mention the condition of the used games, but even the "new" unsealed games where the take the game out of the case put it in a paper slip, in that course of 5 seconds, they manage to f-up the game. People only care if something works, they could care less if there's pubic hair growing out of it.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:17 am

I like my tacos fresh and recently-made. Not reheated.

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:21 am

Nemo wrote:
sethsez wrote:
Nemo wrote:Right, but he also cares about the condtion of the games he doesn't plan to resell.
Wanting to keep things you've bought in good condition is something collectors like to do, obviously, but they're hardly the only ones that do it. I'd like to think there's something universal about not wanting to let the things you've bought get ratty and torn up if you can help it.
There's nothing universal about, you're clearly a collector if you behave like this.

No, I'm a stereotypical gay man who wants everything in his house looking pristine. There's a difference between being a collector and a neat freak.

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:03 am

End the disease. Throw away your spinecards and manuals.

*makes a note to bring a lawnmower to a shmupmeet*

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:20 am

Nemo wrote: There's nothing universal about, you're clearly a collector if you behave like this. Have you been to a game store lately, not even to mention the condition of the used games, but even the "new" unsealed games where the take the game out of the case put it in a paper slip, in that course of 5 seconds, they manage to f-up the game. People only care if something works, they could care less if there's pubic hair growing out of it.

So if you want to keep your stuff in good shape you're a collector? Got it...

You also don't keep games if they have a scratch on them.

Yeah, anytime any of my stuff is not pristine, i throw it out.

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:42 am

Acid King wrote:So if you want to keep your stuff in good shape you're a collector? Got it...

Yeah, that really makes no sense to me. Putting my stuff away and not treating things like a five year old would seems like something most normal people do. The only reason this is considered the least bit unique among "hardcore gamers" is because they tend to be slobs, so "putting something away when it's not being used and trying not to get Cheeto fingerprints all over it" is treated as if it's some unique, haughty trait.

Put your game cases on a shelf and they won't get banged up. Leave them lying all over the floor and tables and they will. It's not like they get used heavily and go through plenty of wear and tear just with normal use. Considering I take a bit of pride in where I live and what my place looks like, I try not to leave things lying all over the floor.

benstylus · Post by **benstylus** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:43 am

Nemo wrote:
sethsez wrote:You said he was a collector because he liked to keep his games pristine, and he gave a reasonable explanation for that.
Right, but he also cares about the condtion of the games he doesn't plan to resell.

I try to keep all my nondisposable goods in as good condition as possible. This includes video games, but also includes my computer, my stereo, my kitchen wares, etc. It's not a matter of being a collector. The better care you keep of things, the longer they will last.

Granted, the case and manual are nonessential parts to a game, but they do generally have a positive effect on the resale value, which is important even if you do not plan to sell the game.

Why? Because circumstances change.

Even if you don't plan to sell them, you might end up doing just that because of some future life event.

You may discover that you do in fact like the Xbox 360 more than any other system and decide to sell all your older systems and games. Not especially likely here, but definitely possible. Lots of people had a "help me buy a 360" sale.

Or, you may simply decide that you no longer like the games. Hey, people's tastes change. Nostalgia is a powerful thing, but some games don't age well and are best left as memories.

Or, you may get married and your spouse doesn't want all those video games cluttering up the house, so you get rid of a lot of them.

Or you may run into financial difficulty due to losing your job or something, and resort to selling some of your games to pay the bills (I was actually in this situation at one time - sold a few thousand dollars worth of games through a period of 4 months to pay for rent, electricity and other bills before I was finally able to get another reasonable job).