Please Advice on best Sony PAL TV for retrogaming
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PeterWar
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Please Advice on best Sony PAL TV for retrogaming
Hello all,
First post in this forum. I'm excited to discover such a cool place!
Long story short, I have very fond memories of playing SNES/N64/Megadrive when I was a kit and I would like to introduce my nephew to this world.
I live in Spain (Pal region), my current hardware is the following:
PAL region 1CHIP SNES (pending to be moded with the 50/60hz region free switchless mod)
Asian Megadrive pending to be replaced with the best Megadrive 1 version and the 50/60hz mod.
French Nintendo 64 moded with RGB support.
RGB SCART cables for all consoles, most of them bought at retrogaming cables in the uk.
Now I don't have a SCART selector box, everytime I want to play a console I just plug the right cable into the RGB entry of my Philips 25PT4523/36. My TV has a deas black pixel and shows a dimm white horizontal line in the SNES and Megadrive and some green artifacts in the Megadrive, I really want to change this TV, but like its size and aestetics.
I'm still a new comer to this world but I've done some searching, correct me if I'm wrong but looks like the best CRT that can be found are Sony BVM or PVM. I'm looking for an integrated package with good aestetics and audio, so I'm leaning to buy a 20-25" Sony trinitron instead.
Could you please advise witch PAL sony Trinitron to buy? After ruling out 100hz versions I'm left with over a decade of trinitrons without really knowing which one would be the best fit.
Currently I have avaliable a KV-25C1B and a KV-21C5E.
Could you please provide advice?
Thank you in advance!
First post in this forum. I'm excited to discover such a cool place!
Long story short, I have very fond memories of playing SNES/N64/Megadrive when I was a kit and I would like to introduce my nephew to this world.
I live in Spain (Pal region), my current hardware is the following:
PAL region 1CHIP SNES (pending to be moded with the 50/60hz region free switchless mod)
Asian Megadrive pending to be replaced with the best Megadrive 1 version and the 50/60hz mod.
French Nintendo 64 moded with RGB support.
RGB SCART cables for all consoles, most of them bought at retrogaming cables in the uk.
Now I don't have a SCART selector box, everytime I want to play a console I just plug the right cable into the RGB entry of my Philips 25PT4523/36. My TV has a deas black pixel and shows a dimm white horizontal line in the SNES and Megadrive and some green artifacts in the Megadrive, I really want to change this TV, but like its size and aestetics.
I'm still a new comer to this world but I've done some searching, correct me if I'm wrong but looks like the best CRT that can be found are Sony BVM or PVM. I'm looking for an integrated package with good aestetics and audio, so I'm leaning to buy a 20-25" Sony trinitron instead.
Could you please advise witch PAL sony Trinitron to buy? After ruling out 100hz versions I'm left with over a decade of trinitrons without really knowing which one would be the best fit.
Currently I have avaliable a KV-25C1B and a KV-21C5E.
Could you please provide advice?
Thank you in advance!
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AndehX
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Re: Please Advice on best Sony PAL TV for retrogaming
Well firstly, if you're interested in a PVM or BVM, don't worry about PAL and NTSC. These monitors usually support PAL, NTSC and SECAM.
Although if audio is important to you, I would probably go for a consumer Trinitron, rather than a PVM or BVM. PVM's have a mono speaker, and BVM's have no speakers at all.
Although if audio is important to you, I would probably go for a consumer Trinitron, rather than a PVM or BVM. PVM's have a mono speaker, and BVM's have no speakers at all.
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Fudoh
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Re: Please Advice on best Sony PAL TV for retrogaming
By default BVMs don't support any NTSC, PAL or SECAM encoded color signals (you need decoder cards for those), but as long as you just want to use RGB in 50 and 60Hz versions you're fine of course. You need decoder boards for composite and s-video though.
"Asian" MDs aren't bad by any means. Sega sold modded JP systems in HK very early on, so some of the best japanese MD units can be found as "Asian" systems. They're easily modded back to full glory.
"Asian" MDs aren't bad by any means. Sega sold modded JP systems in HK very early on, so some of the best japanese MD units can be found as "Asian" systems. They're easily modded back to full glory.
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PeterWar
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Re: Please Advice on best Sony PAL TV for retrogaming
I finally bought the KV21C5E, I was impressed with its geometry and color definition.
The only flaw I can find is that the front pannel does not "click" into place as the small plastic "needle" is missing, any thoughts on how to fix this? It must be a very common problem.
Aside from that, the TV seems a perfect fir for my needs.
The only flaw I can find is that the front pannel does not "click" into place as the small plastic "needle" is missing, any thoughts on how to fix this? It must be a very common problem.
Aside from that, the TV seems a perfect fir for my needs.
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PeterWar
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Re: Please Advice on best Sony PAL TV for retrogaming
I've been going back and forth between my newly adquired Trinitron and my old Panasonic TV and I've found an horizontal line when playing Super Mario All Stars in the Trinitron, as seen in this video link:
https://youtu.be/NZeUZdfBQgY
This line is not there in the Panasonic and is a bit distracting. Do you know what could be the cause? I'm using an RGB Scart cable with luma sync on the SNES.
https://youtu.be/NZeUZdfBQgY
This line is not there in the Panasonic and is a bit distracting. Do you know what could be the cause? I'm using an RGB Scart cable with luma sync on the SNES.
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Blair
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Re: Please Advice on best Sony PAL TV for retrogaming
is it a thin dark horizontal line? or is it something lighter?
becauseif if it's the dark line, I believe all Trinitron's have that (something about guide wires on the back of the picture tube).
here's some info about that
http://photo.net/digital-darkroom-forum/003voY
becauseif if it's the dark line, I believe all Trinitron's have that (something about guide wires on the back of the picture tube).
here's some info about that
http://photo.net/digital-darkroom-forum/003voY
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PeterWar
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Re: Please Advice on best Sony PAL TV for retrogaming
It's a greyish semi-transparent horizontal line that goes up, it can be seen where mario is in the video.
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Blair
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Re: Please Advice on best Sony PAL TV for retrogaming
I see what you're talking about now, first I thought that was flicker from the camera.
what type of connection are you using?
what type of outlet or power strip you have the monitor plugged into?
what type of connection are you using?
what type of outlet or power strip you have the monitor plugged into?
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PeterWar
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Re: Please Advice on best Sony PAL TV for retrogaming
I'm using a Super Nintendo PAL RGB SCART Cable SYNC on LUMA from retrogaming cables, it's similar to this one:
https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/nin ... d-for-sale
The TV is plugged to a 220V 50Hz outlet, as I live in Spain.
https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/nin ... d-for-sale
The TV is plugged to a 220V 50Hz outlet, as I live in Spain.
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Blair
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Re: Please Advice on best Sony PAL TV for retrogaming
I'm not sure, but it almost looks like some kind of interference problem. not sure if it's from power or something else. you might be able to find somebody with more CRT/electronics knowledge and experience in one of these other threads.
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=34857
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=43256
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=56155
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=34857
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=43256
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=56155
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mvsfan
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Re: Please Advice on best Sony PAL TV for retrogaming
Stay away from 100HZ Crts. they are bad for retro gaming they add processing to the image. I was trying hard to avoid them when i bought my trinitron, then i found out they were only sold in Europe.
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Trevor spencer
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Re: Please Advice on best Sony PAL TV for retrogaming
Thanks this is really interesting , I have a trinitron CRT PC monitor which has a gorgeous picture but I've always noticed a slight horizontal line on the image,I thought it might be a fault.well I guess not.Blair wrote:is it a thin dark horizontal line? or is it something lighter?
becauseif if it's the dark line, I believe all Trinitron's have that (something about guide wires on the back of the picture tube).
here's some info about that
http://photo.net/digital-darkroom-forum/003voY
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