Another day, another killing (split from US shootings topic)

[BulletMagnet]

Since the liberals are too ashamed to admit that they're wrong, I figure I may as well keep their line of discussion going.

I really shouldn't bite, but I will say this: I find it funny that many of the people demanding that we start profiling Muslims and sending troops/police into their neighborhoods "just in case" are the same ones who foam at the mouth over supposed "wars" against Christmas and/or Christianity within our own culture despite their continued and unquestioned dominance. Just the fact that they're no longer the only game in town is enough to send these folks into wrist-slashing conniptions and diatribes about how they're an oppressed, "endangered species", but treating all Muslims like potential criminals? They'd all better be fine with that, or else that just proves our point about them!

I also can't help but be amused that out of one end of their mouth comes "Obama's just as much of a warmonger as Bush" and from the other comes "...but he's still not enough of a warmonger to really make an impact!" When profile/invade/torture doesn't magically eradicate terrorism it's just because all that nasty political correctness prevented us from doing it the right way; when a supposedly "softer" (again, only described as such when convenient) approach doesn't do it either, everything about that mindset is immediately invalidated and everyone who ever favored it is borderline traitorous. This is what CIT meant when he said "no matter what is done or how it turns out, you must be right and the other must be wrong."

[quash]

Who said anything about Christmas? I'm agnostic, dude.

Confused where the police raids come in to this too: we just can't allow the floodgates to open. The John Olivers of the world would lead you to believe that the threat of terrorists coming in through is "hypothetical"; reality would lead you to believe otherwise.

[BulletMagnet]

Who said anything about Christmas? I'm agnostic, dude.

Obviously not everyone who wants to somehow "get tougher" on threats specifically tied in some way to Islam falls into that particularly ludicrous category, but I would by extension posit that pretty much everyone under the umbrella somehow feels that, if not their religion, something about them specifically (their culture, lifestyle, political leanings, etc.) is directly "under attack" in some way, and are not remotely hesitant to air their grievances about it, but expect those we decide to target in response to those fears, Muslims in particular, to sit quietly with their hands where we can see them without a peep of protest. I won't argue that there aren't legitimate reasons to want increased security on immigration and in other areas (though I'd suggest that "the enemy's" motivations are nowhere near as personal as most make them out to be), but I'd be wary of any response that demands others be defined, live and/or act in a way you'd never agree to yourself.

Confused where the police raids come in to this too: we just can't allow the floodgates to open.

In the aftermath of the Brussels attacks at least one of our presidential candidates proposed doing just that; treating "Muslim neighborhoods" as potential terrorist breeding grounds and sending in a police/military presence to supposedly keep a lid on it. Common sense and expert opinion both label such a hypothetical effort as counterproductive, but if you're not arguing in favor of it there's no reason for me to harp on it, outside of noting that there are people, some of them very high-profile, who still want to react like this anyway, and get very little push-back from their more "moderate" counterparts (just those whiny liberal sissies).

The John Olivers of the world would lead you to believe that the threat of terrorists coming in through is "hypothetical"; reality would lead you to believe otherwise.

I think there's a word missing after "through" in your statement so I'm not sure what specifically you're responding to, but if you're referring to the Oliver segment I think you are, his argument was that most of the garment-rending over immigration in the USA (not sure about Europe or elsewhere) has focused specifically on refugees, who have to go through by far the longest and most thorough vetting process to be let in, despite the fact that it's much easier to get into the country via a work or tourist visa. As such, this narrow focus strikes him (and me) as ineffective on every front except to make people increasingly suspicious of even the most vulnerable and most closely-watched potential entrants to the country. Again, Europe might be a different story, but in the US refugee-phobia is senseless; again, let me know if you meant something else.

[quash]

The vetting process isn't as good as you probably think it is: we rely on Syrian records for cross referencing, which don't necessarily reflect everything we look for when determining ties to terror groups. I wouldn't argue that they're good enough for Europe at this point, either. Not to mention the elephant in the room: that draining Syria of its civilian population is actually the biggest boon to ISIS because it both reduces their opposition (not necessarily in a military sense, but in terms of civil opposition) as well as gives them an avenue to spread aboad (which as we've seen, is indeed happening).

The whole situation is a mess, and when things are this bad it's easy to act on emotion. As Europe has demonstrated, however, taking in a mass of people from an ideologically driven war isn't the best solution for either party. Even Merkel herself has had to acknowledge that many of the people she's allowed into Germany are "fiercely anti-Semitic" (paraphrasing), among other behaviors responsible for civil unrest in parts of the country.

You could argue based on altruism that we should take in refugees because we were in part responsible for the war, and I wouldn't entirely disagree. There's nothing wrong with helping a small amount of people who don't have many options left; the problem is that Europe has decided to import this problem wholesale and now has to live with the constant threat of being attacked in their own backyard. Not a model I'd recommend to anyone.

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[Rob]

"BBC = 322 backward`s, just saying..."

It's awesome when the villains leave so many clues for internet sleuths.

[Lord Satori]

I'm speechless.

All I can really say is "Why?"

[Skykid]

I'm speechless.

All I can really say is "Why?"

Psychopathy.

[NTSC-J]

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I know it was obvious to you and you were just counting the hours until it happened, but you should have posted a heads-up before March 22nd for the rest of us.

Could you then tell us when (and if possible where) the next big attack will be? I know they leave lots of clues beforehand so it should be plain as day, but I still can't figure it out. Perhaps September 19th at 9:19 AM ("ISIS")?

[Ed Oscuro]

I'll just leave this here:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/26/politics/ ... topstories

ThinkProgress has an interesting spin on the headline: "Republicans want guns in schools but not at their convention."

My take on this is that it's a bit like free speech: Just because you can protest and say rude things doesn't, in of itself, give you a reason to go do it. I'd disagree with the petition authors that the convention attendees will be surrounded by criminals and in mortal danger with all the security and Secret Service, but Trump will be there...and the Republicans...I'd take my chances on the streets of Cleveland, myself, as I've been happy to do before. In fact I walked those mean streets without a gun, and somehow I'm still here.

[Skykid]

Unsure why this is absent, but France was attacked again. Is it confirmed to be radical Islam related?

[ryu]

Unsure why this is absent, but France was attacked again. Is it confirmed to be radical Islam related?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice ... erpetrator

Sounds like he was "merely" inspired by actual terrorist attacks to go out with a bang

[rancor]

Bouhlel was known to police for five prior criminal offenses ... regarding armed violence.

.. And here I'm afraid that if I get caught riding my bicycle while wearing headphones I'm gonna get deported.

[Xyga]

Another profile similar to most other terrorists we've had. He was born here, grew up into your average criminal and hating our guts.

We don't comment much yet because there isn't much to say anyway, and it's not like we didn't expect more attacks.
Our country doesn't have the means to check every square meter and individual, I'm not even convinced our forces pulling out from Syria-Irak would reduce the menace at all.

[soprano1]

I'm not even convinced our forces pulling out from Syria-Irak would reduce the menace at all.

At this point in time, not really. I'm surprised there weren't any attacks during the Euro, outside of the usual hooligan/drunks fights, but the police can deal with those.

[Xyga]

The man according to his neighbors was a gloomy, silent one, apparently not into extreme religious stuff and even not really into religion period, or if he did he didn't show it. Wait and see. Authorities always instantly cry islamist wolf if the attacker looks even remotely arab or middle-eastern, but I won't be surprised if we learn later that he was just another miserable asshole who let out his hate and went for the suicide/mass murder combo, somewhat similar to the Orlando killer.

@soprano1: anti-terror surveillance was very high during the Euro, and actually Nice has been one of our most under surveillance cities, but if any madman decides to kill shittons of people it could be anywhere by any means, this one showed you don't need guns or explosives, everyone knows that anyway.
Now did he really have the 'ISIS Seal of Approval' sticker ? We don't know that yet, but the amount of people who could burst out in rage and butcher around is growing bigger every day in our society, no matter the label, there are just too many reasons and opportunities.
EDIT: actually there are days I wonder how the whole society hasn't turned into an endless scene from Braindead/Dead Alive already, practically everyone seems to live more or less in fear/hate of something/someone.

[Durandal]

For some reason these kind of lone wolf attacks have been intensifying only recently. Not just the ISIS-propagated ones either. I'm surprised why we haven't had as many attacks in the previous decade.
These kind of suicidal attacks have always been possible to commit in modern society, yet only now do they keep happening, and the response to such attacks has become incredibly formulaic and stale. Deport muslims, islam is a religion of peace, politicians please do something about this, etc. I don't understand how people aren't growing tired from assuming the same defensive/offensive positions on the internet over and over when more than ten people die at the hands of some crazed gunman.

Like drunk driving accidents, people will eventually just consider terrorist attacks as something that can't be avoided. We could ban anything related to them in order to prevent people from dying, but that'd come at the cost of our freedom, and most people value their freedom over anything. Nobody can seem to agree what preventive measures should be taken against such attacks, let alone consider the possibility that no measure is foolproof. The FBI might have prevented multiple attacks on innocent civilians from happening, but the FBI can't prevent everything. Likewise, mass deportation isn't going to stop legal citizens from lashing out against the world. But it sure feels like something would be done against the terrorist threat. At most the damage can be reduced, but not always prevented.

Who knows, maybe when the mainstream media doesn't consider 0-100 deaths in a terrorist attack to be newsworthy anymore and people stop getting worked up on the internet over other people dying, the attention whores will get bored and resort to other means in order to vent their frustration.

[EmperorIng]

The man according to his neighbors was a gloomy, silent one, apparently not into extreme religious stuff and even not really into religion period, or if he did he didn't show it. Wait and see. Authorities always instantly cry islamist wolf if the attacker looks even remotely arab or middle-eastern, but I won't be surprised if we learn later that he was just another miserable asshole who let out his hate and went for the suicide/mass murder combo, somewhat similar to the Orlando killer.

I am skeptical of the "not a real Muslim!" knee-jerk. Even the Orlando shooter frequently attended the mosque with his father, regardless of his alleged homosexuality. This is not some blanket criticism towards Islam, but we have to acknowledge that radicalization is a fundamentally Islamic problem in Europe (to say nothing of the Middle East).

Rather, what I am saying is that the issue of whether or not the killer was a "real Muslim" is besides the point - the point is how and in what fashion was he radicalized by bloodthirsy jihad groups - which are Muslim. Heterodox/wayward Muslims have been radicalized towards acts of terrorism - in fact most radicalization seems to happen in either middle-class or well-to-do households.

I reflect on how BryanM (maybe jokingly) suggested that these attacks are flamboyant acts of suicide. I think there is some truth to that. I also reflect on my experiencing the effects of suicide in my own family, and on what a friend who works in the Veteran's Administration (VA) told me about suicide, saying "it often happens not with weeks of planning, but is made in a small window of time, maybe a 10-15 minute period, a resolution to carry out the act."

I wonder if whether or not that thinking can be applied here. Obviously, there was more than 10-15 minutes of planning. But what if all it takes is that snap decision between radicalization and rejecting radicalization. The Tunisian here could have had that moment, "found religion" (or rather, this was the exact moment he committed suicide), and started to gather weapons or find a network of like-minded nihilists (maybe from one of those mosques in France with all the stores of military-grade weapons and ammunition?), at the end of all of it carrying out his own public annihilation while killing as many men, women, and children as possible.

This is, again, why I think saying "not a Muslim" is a bit of a red herring, or maybe at best it's a defensive tactic against prejudice (something to be considered). The real issue is stopping Islamic radicalization - and cutting off or destroying the sources and inspirations for Islamic terrorism.

[Ed Oscuro]

radicalization is a fundamentally Islamic problem in Europe

There haven't been any right-wing killings in Europe?

[EmperorIng]

You caught me in an elision (omission?), but I hope you understand my larger point about radicalization.

Right-wing "radicalization" (of the 20th-century kind) can be partially illuminated in Walter Benjamin's essay "The Work of Art in an Age of Mechanical Reproduction." Coincidentally, when examining the mixture of politics and aesthetics he theorized that their logical conclusion was self-annihilation!

[Xyga]

To begin nobody said he wasn't a muslim, only that he wasn't much of one, drinking alcohol, not praying, not going to mosque, not even doing ramadan to the end, according to a guy who knew him enough since they're from the same village.
He was however in the worst relationship with his family, not having spoken to them in years, and divorcing his wife.

Why is it so important to you that he would absolutely have to be a muslim ? Faced with cases where murderers like these two guys (the orlando one and the Nice one) and seeing the profiles of most of the terrorist who perpetrated attacks in France, apparently none of them were even remotely that religious in their whole life.
When they become radicalized what is more important ? that they're on the 'muslim' side or the 'far-right' side like Breivik ? Or just fuked up sociopaths on a nervous breakdown like Lubitz ?
Or is it a much more dramatic sign that human societies that produce more and more individuals such as them are in the middle of a total social and intellectual collapse ? That human civicization as a whole is failing ?

If you absolutely want to believe there are good and bad guys according to their religion only even remotely and under assumptions, so be it. Me, I'm seeing that there's a problem with Islam, yes but again it isn't new and a complex worldwide-scale issue, I'm also seeing that western nations played a major part in making it worse, and keep on doing everything to make more enemies from them.
Every fucking government, every people, the soft or the hard way, looking for scapegoats, crushing whoever they don't like, the US, Russains, Jews, Muslims, the EU, too many African cuntries and factions to count, shit hitting the fan alsmost all accross South-America, Asian nations polishing their missiles and shells with red eyes, EVERYWHERE SOCIETY IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING DOMINATED BY RETARDED BLOODTHIRSTY ASSHOLES.

(maybe from one of those mosques in France with all the stores of military-grade weapons and ammunition?)

What kind of insane press have you been reading ? Or watching faux-news accuracy-level shows ? That sort of thing happened maybe only once or twice and that was decades ago, related to completely different terror attacks.
None of the terrorists we've had in recent years have even made themselves known for what they were in any mosque in the country, imams keep a close eye on suspicious characters and report them. And yes they're muslims too. Surprised ?
Radical preaching when it happens is very underground anyway, and has become a mostly internet thing then using typical crime tactics.

Quit thinking about brainless SJW who would be willing to protect muslims against prejudice at all cost, it's an exaggerated accusation typically coming from the far-right, who don't understand that not being obsessed over islam, not seeing it as a zombie apocalypse religion, doesn't mean ignoring the issues with it.
It's also knowing there is prejudice from our side and it has been there for too fucking long that we've made almost the entire minority and their religion our enemy, they're turning to shit, but we've been assholes to them too, our particular problem in France and also in Belgium is that we did everything so they would hate us, and they didn't do anything to try and fix their situation and image either (muslims minorities over here barely ever produced any significant political or social movement, because they have a complete "we're strangers anyway" mindset, huge mistake) EVERYONE IS WRONG.

We need solutions, the humanely right ones that would lead to peace are immensely difficult but not impossible, problem: the loudest politician opportunist assholes everywhere push towards the wort solutions for easy poll wins (war, repression, deportation, etc) that will only further crystalize resentment and escalate conflicts and terror, because on their side more muslims will radicalize, hate feeds hate.

Different topic but related, I remember not long ago after the Dallas attack, I found funny that in our heavenly 1st world there are still people candidly realizing "omg them too have far-right hate group nuts!" because she had never heard of ...WELL BITCH WHAT DID YOU EXPECT ? she was like 'how dare they'.
Can't find the tweet anymore but it was priceless. Anyway, that the Talion is becoming the only law people seem to be calling now, whichever 'side' they're on, is proof humanity as it is is fucking done, we can only take bets guessing when WWIII (this time with moar nukes) will happen.

Right-wing "radicalization"

Our authorities don't hide that there are hundreds of far-right and ultra-right groups, more or less important, whether local or European scale-sized, that might be preparing for 'retaliation' attacks on minorities, muslim/african/middle-easter being their obvious target.
So many that they're talking about practically civil-war level threat.

[GaijinPunch]

and divorcing his wife.

Wow... if he would have waited like a few weeks he would have seen how awesome life could be.

[Bananamatic]

inshallah

[EmperorIng]

(maybe from one of those mosques in France with all the stores of military-grade weapons and ammunition?)

What kind of insane press have you been reading ? Or watching faux-news accuracy-level shows ?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... /76655054/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 57596.html

My mistake: weapon[s?] were found in 1 mosque but large quantities of weapons were found in related raids on connected peoples. My bad.

To begin nobody said he wasn't a muslim, only that he wasn't much of one, drinking alcohol, not praying not going to yhr modque, not even doing ramadan to the end, according to a guy who knew him enough since they're from the same village.
He was however in the worst relationship with his family, not having spoken to them in years, and divorcing his wife.

Why is it so important to you that he would absolutely have to be a muslim ? Faced with cases where murderers like these two guys (the orlando one and the Nice one) and seeing the profiles of most of the terrorist who perpetrated attacks in France, apparently none of them were even remotely that religious in their whole life.
When they become radicalized what is more important ? that they're on the 'muslim' side or the 'far-right' side like Breivik ? Or just fuked up sociopaths on a nervous breakdown like Lubitz ?

You seem to have missed my point, which is that the killer's religiosity (or piety), perceived or otherwise, was not important. Rather, should investigation prove it (and I suspect it is more than likely), that Islamic radicalization provided the conduit for him to carry out his own extermination and others'. You seem to be arguing that his Muslim identity, professed or otherwise, does not matter; I am simply saying it mattered greatly:

Simply put, ISIS is a greater draw towards Muslim men and women than anyone else (I don't see any "kafirs" filling up the ranks of the caliphate). Duh. That is where religious affiliation matters because the pitch is explicitly made to people of that religion, ethno-national background and heritage. This isn't radical right-wing thinking; it's common sense. Someone mentioned to me that it is akin to try and decouple the Crusades from Christianity; it has been argued (and I agree with much of it) that non-religious factors heavily motivated the Crusader armies, but it's not as if you can detach the cultural baggage from one group and not another. Too often this is applied the Muslim communities, with the perhaps admirable goal of shielding them from undue discrimination. However, it has an adverse affect of ignoring one of the deeper problems in those same communities, especially in Europe, of radical cells, teachers, online sites - all targeting errant believers, the well-to-do, and the desperate.

I am not sure if the outlook is different in France because of the culture of laïcité is so enshrined and prevalent (perhaps even among some French Muslims!); maybe that causes one to de-emphasize immaterial motivations. But you seem quick to paint me as someone who thinks someone is "evil because of their religion" when that's not what I said at all. My initial argument was wondering whether or not the decision to jump off the cliff is a snap decision, akin to suicide, vs. what we might think of a process that takes weeks and weeks.

Our authorities don't hide that there are hundreds of far-right and ultra-right groups, more or less important, whether local or European scale-sized, that might be preparing for 'retaliation' attacks on minorities, muslim/african/middle-easter being their obvious target.
So many that they're talking about practically civil-war level threat.

I understand and can sympathize with a country under national duress, especially after this tragedy. However, this type of official pronouncement sounds suspiciously close to a justification crackdown of political dissidents more than anything. Have to make sure the Le Pens don't gain any ground.

[Xyga]

It's because as always it really sounds like saying 'muslims have violence and terror in their DNA, they just a need an extreme group propangada to trigger it', which is wrong and whether you like it or not is more or less the same thing the far-right are saying. If we believe that, there's no conclusion other than declaring war to all of them.
Dramatically enough they must be a lot now to believe westerners have the same madness against muslims in their blood.
Everyone is wrong. Any radical/extreme thinking can serve as an outlet to unstable minds, hell we've even accused video games of making people violent, why should it be only islam now to be aknowledged as a favourable terrain for violence ?
The deeper roots of the issue are in a shit society where people's life gets shittier by the day, and for those who on top of that are minorities it's even more dramatic, and those wars, propaganda, media madness, and everyday's people atitude towards them, only makes all of that worse.
Basically I'm just saying add 'some' before the far-right argument and I'd be alright with it.

The only thing I would agree to as an explanation to growing violence is that psychological consequences perdure in time, some suggest would even be hereditary, like the jews even of recent generations completely obsessed and depressed over the holocaust, and seeing nazis everywhere. For having known several people like that, I tend to believe it's plausible, and a more realistic explanation than just saying 'it's the religion, it's their culture' etc.
In the same fashion, as far as I remember in my life I have always seen western nations bomb the middle-east and muslims, and locally I've always seen our society look down on their minority with all the usual 'tools' of discrimination.
I think with time this could have had an hereditary kind of effect, whether it's on a individual or wholy cultural level is hard to analyze, but I find it plausible that they're seeing us as almost 'natural' enemies. This kind of thing IMHO is more beliveable, in the end individual are rarely only religion or politics, but sentiment end emotion, ego etc.

Laïcité or secularism, is very important to most French indeed, there is no room for gods and religions in the State, and in return it's not the State's business what individuals believe in.
But this ideal is threatened more and more, in particular by the christian side where radicalists are growing strong and try to influence politics.
For a very long time jews, christians, muslims, they've all had their own institutions with a formal relationship to the State, maybe that time is over since we have at least one radical extreme group called Civitas who recently registered as a party.

Regarding the far-right and ultra-right groups, they're not new at all but their numbers exploded in European countries in recent years, it's just a fact.
Breivik-like events are extremely rare, but what our intellignence service report is that the situation is changing and they might turn to that 'retaliation' strategy.
It's actually realistic to think we could have real far-right VS the whole muslim minority war-like battles in not so long. Of course the army would jump in and stop them, but when people start that kind of shit it rarely ends itself quietly.
And by the way, the FN has mostly chased away those extreme groups, maybe not 100%, but it's mostly a 'PC far-right' now, because they've understood that they would never win a general election with all those skinheads and racist statements.

It's always important to remember people that the far-right is wrong with their invasion nightmare bullshit, there are only a few million muslims in Europe, those turning to radicalism and activism count in the thousands, and if they chose to turn to civil war locally against the European countries they're in, they would be facing hundreds of millions of Europeans. Since when mice have actually been a threat to elephants ?
Also terror attacks are absolutely atrocious, but as Durandal reminded us, drunk drivers also kill people including children, in my country it's about 3000 killed every year, a far worse threat compared to terrorism.
And If there's a menace to Europeas a whole it's the pending collapse of its economies and states, losing to overwhelmingly powerful capital that only takes care about itself and far-right opportunists blooming over people's anger, while the regular democracies and their old political parties have become stupid and powerless. Also Russia doing everything they can so exactly that happens and always shamelessly playing offended that we think so, if that country is not a real threat to Europe at the moment then fucking nothing is, not even a giant meteor.

PS: sorry for editing several times, I always forget something or typos etc.

[evil_ash_xero]

I feel bad for the Europeans. They're lucky enough not to have a country drowned in firearms. In the U.S. we have shootings constantly.

However, you now have these nut, doing some kind of mass attack every month. Dragging the Middle East into Europe.

People shouldn't have to live in fear of death while going to the park, or just outside. It's really sad.

[CPC6128]

You do not imagine the visceral hatred that many French of origin from Maghreb have towards native. North Africans been born in France who possess the double nationality which are not necessarily the real Muslim. This hatred is maintained by left-wing policies mainly, which advocate regularly the colonial repentance of past and shout in the racism every time " Arabic or Black " is hurt in its pride and of it made maintain this hatred to French of origins

Often in France in smalls villages, the churches have been ransacked, from time to time the believers throw stones during the prayer by young North Africans born in France, without the official media speak about it.

I do not believe that this attack is directed by the Islamic state but simply by the hatred of the French which dates past colonial.

Sorry for my very approximate English.

[Xyga]

Well there's that 'legacy' indeed but I think it was more of thing for the parents and grandparents, and honestly the repentance thing for colonialism has been maintained both by the left and the right equally in practice. The thing is having all those cheap workers doing the dirty jobs was convenient for every party in power you see...
With the young adults and kids I think it's more complex, a super condensed mix of many things, the defiance learned from their parents/GRDparents, the everyday contempt and distrust from us natives they have to deal with, wich was already well-installed by the media and considerably increased with the middle east war and terror attacks, but also a the toxic revengeful rap subculture (some rappers basically teach kids it's cool to be a criminal and hate everyone) which finds a powerful echo in those ghetto-suburbs.

So this is a perfect terrain for 'recruiting' terrorists, not just for the IS but for any terror group. In regards to the Nice attack perpetrator, his radicalization seems to have happened very recently according to some of his relatives and acquaintances that have been questioned (there's no proof that it was the EI yet btw, but he had suspicious people in his contacts).
He was confirmed to be unstable and violent, and the attack happened while he was in the middle of a depression, which again reminds that many of the other terrorists who attacked France were also either in critical psychological condition and with records of crime, mental issues, drug abuse etc.

I'm insisting on my point from before; is this because they're muslims or because it happens that it is a muslim minority that our country has crushed under its foot for generations, that the 'easy recruiting' happens ?
In my eyes more so than religion, it's the fucking work of systemized misery period. It makes the bed of all kinds of disastrous social and individual consequences, and not just among minorities even thought they're often hit first and harder.
You don't fix misery by beating the shit out of the miserable, for people who've had relatives or friends in difficulty and falling extemely low and hard from the social norm, you should understand how extremely difficult it is to do anything for them.
Now imagine doing the same for an entire minority of several millions.
These past days we've of course had all the revengeful hate speeches from demanding deportation to permanently militarizing our society, living in paranoia a bit like Israel. Only extreme 'solutions' have been voiced, which no doubt would make the intensity of that now clearly ethnic confrontation skyrocket.
Only extreme...plus a completely idiotic one from our PM who said about terror attacks, saying that "we have to get used to it" *facepalm* he could have said "please vote far-right" it would have had the same meaning.

A full Huntingtonian outcome is the worst that could happen to humanity at the time we're faced with extremely critical systemic and environmental challenges...yet, most of us seem to be calling for it.

[MintyTheCat]

Bavaria has had a couple of attacks this week with some nut jobs shooting some people just outside central Munich:

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/m ... 04387.html

https://www.google.de/maps/place/Olympi ... d11.531643
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36870874

There have been a few stabbings and attacks the last few months with some deaths on trains. It makes me wonder as they pretty much had all those red hat guards on trains last few times I was in Munich.

[Durandal]

Public transport's been shutdown in all of Munich. Super police has been deployed.
People are using the hashtag #OpenDoor or #OffeneTür on social media to inform people on the street where to hide out.
Though that's blurring the lines between self-preservation and compassion a bit too much if you ask me.