GamerGate - and it's continuing aftermath.

[Durandal]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind if this was the Leigh Alexander type, but this woman really isn't anyone of importance. She's not even a journalist. She's just...some woman, with bad ideas. I don't really see the reason to go so all out.

If the shit that is currently floating around is even half-true, she is scum. Latest news is that she wasn't only a prostitute herself, she also forced her husband into selling himself online for gay sex to get more money. He was/is sucking dick for money to give it to her. I won't link but a quick google search should deliver the juicy details. Keep in mind, he is hetero, or cis-gendered, whatever you prefer. There is currently a meme about cuckolds very en vogue on the internet and often times used false, but hell, he is like THE definition of a cuckold.

Imagine for a second if the roles were reversed. She has has zero sympathy from me.

I hadn't heard this yet. This is bonkers.

internet hate mob goes after innocent woman for her affiliations to Treehouse, she gets fired for moonlighting as an escort while all blame is pushed on the mob, then internet hate mob finds out said woman pressured and/or mindbroke her husband into sex work just to earn some cash

ain't that some shit

[Squire Grooktook]

Sounds like a certain kind of shit to me. The last part at least. I'm going to need some hard proof and a good explanation before I believe that a heterosexual male starting prostituting himself to men just because his girlfriend ordered him to.

[Skykid]

Sounds like a certain kind of shit to me. The last part at least. I'm going to need some hard proof and a good explanation before I believe that a heterosexual male starting prostituting himself to men just because his girlfriend ordered him to.

I've just had a scout on Google, and it's looking legit. There's a possibility that someone has gone to huge lengths to create an entire fake profile for him on an escort site, but there's doubt: his Twitter account is harder to fake, and has him declaring he's nervous as he's about to start dating a man, despite not being attracted to men.

Either way, the internet has been great today.

[Sly Cherry Chunks]

Did she force him to get that piercing aswell

[Teufel_in_Blau]

I hadn't heard this yet. This is bonkers.

I'm not posting more information because I think it would be a hell of an asshole move and against the rules, but if you want more just google 'kiwifar' plus the name of her husband. kiwifar seems to be the place where that thing started. There is already tons of images and archive links floating around typical sites like 4chans - pol, reddits - kotakuinaction, voat - neofag and on 8ch - gghq etc. Oh, and gaf is currently deleting everything related to it.

[evil_ash_xero]

I hadn't heard this yet. This is bonkers.

I'm not posting more information because I think it would be a hell of an asshole move and against the rules, but if you want more just google 'kiwifar' plus the name of her husband. kiwifar seems to be the place where that thing started. There is already tons of images and archive links floating around typical sites like 4chans - pol, reddits - kotakuinaction, voat - neofag and on 8ch - gghq etc. Oh, and gaf is currently deleting everything related to it.

Yeah, that's where I was going, anyway. I really don't like the doxing that is going on there. I mean, they are even trying to contact family members.
Not my thing. But I'll go back, to get more of the story.
I don't even think you can get most of it, at KIA. Probably 8Chan or whatever, but I'd rather not.

Also, as for her pressuring him...who knows? There was a girl who talked a guy into suicide, in the news recently. So, it's no impossible.

I always thought these "open" marriages, were junk. Why not just stay single? When you're fucking other people, you don't have much of a "they're mine" thing, anymore. They're other peoples' too.
It just really seems to take an important bond, out of it.

I knew a couple, who started to go to some swinging get togethers...things fell apart, right after. The girl fell for the guy she was seeing there, and that marriage was over with. Got really ugly.

[GaijinPunch]

That would be news to me then, the US must differ from the UK considerably. Firing anyone from a corporate environment in the UK can take months even with a strong case.

Uh... no..

No, really.

I'm not sure why you're disagreeing on this tho - you have experience with UK company processes?

I was disagreeing on the assessment of the US side. It's the wild wild west in comparison.

[Skykid]

I was disagreeing on the assessment of the US side. It's the wild wild west in comparison.

Gotcha. I think you read it wrong though, I never commented on the US system of dismissal except to say it sounds very different - something we're in agreement over.

Although there were days when I wished the UK's process was a lot more.streamlined, I don't agree with companies being able to spot-fire workers. That's really terrible.

This would be more interesting of course if a Nintendo Treehouse PR rep hadn't recently been fired for moonlighting, citing Gamergate as the reason for the action, causing SJWs and professional journalistic publications to spit ire at Nintendo, only for her second job to turn out to be Escorting, and her husband to be a cuckold lunatic liberal who accepted his wife's request to get banged in the ass by gay men, despite being heterosexual, for purposes of money and being a progressive thinking millennial.

[Squire Grooktook]

Sounds like a certain kind of shit to me. The last part at least. I'm going to need some hard proof and a good explanation before I believe that a heterosexual male starting prostituting himself to men just because his girlfriend ordered him to.

I've just had a scout on Google, and it's looking legit. There's a possibility that someone has gone to huge lengths to create an entire fake profile for him on an escort site, but there's doubt: his Twitter account is harder to fake, and has him declaring he's nervous as he's about to start dating a man, despite not being attracted to men.

If it's true, then the "not being attracted to men" is the fake part IMO. My personal wager would be that he was always a bit curious and she hooked into it for financial gain. Not that that's less opportunistic and selfish, but I just have a hard time believing that it's so simple as normal hetero man somehow "forced" into sucking dick for money. Possible, yes, but unlikely given what I understand of most men. I suspect he must have either had serious issues to worship her that much or already had some homosexual leanings IMO.

[e_tank]

If it's true, then the "not being attracted to men" is the fake part IMO. My personal wager would be that he was always a bit curious and she hooked into it for financial gain. Not that that's less opportunistic and selfish, but I just have a hard time believing that it's so simple as normal hetero man somehow "forced" into sucking dick for money. Possible, yes, but unlikely given what I understand of most men. I suspect he must have either had serious issues to worship her that much or already had some homosexual leanings IMO.

i disagree, this sounds kinda legit to me. this sort of manipulative relationship behaviour isn't that uncommon, that is one partner slowly grooming the other over time in order to get them to do things they wouldn't normally do. for example, you hear all the time about people who, attempted or otherwise, groomed their extramarital partners in order to kill their current spouses for them, like by telling them they were abused and scared for their life or by saying they're afraid the spouse will harm their children, etc. i mean if you can abuse your relationship in order to get someone to kill for you, then getting someone to suck dick for you has got to be a cakewalk in comparison

besides straight men suck dick for drugs all the time, or so i hear.. lol jk

[Mischief Maker]

Yeah he just fucks other men to prove he doesn't like it!

I could imagine a really weak heterosexual man being pressured into gay for pay. But announcing it publicly? I say closet case subconsciously begging to be outed.

I'm curious how young they were when they tied the knot. Did she get married too early to a closet fag and turned to camming and eventual escorting out of desperation for the experience of being the object of sexual desire? Being deprived of that for too long can do terrible things to a woman's sanity:

Spoiler

[Skykid]

It's one thing to groom your partner to give you oral, it's another to groom someone to eschew their sexual orientation and take a stranger's cock up the ass for a monthly supermarket budget.

[Opus131]

Speaking of that "cuck" thing the internet is currently obsessing with, huh?

[evil_ash_xero]

Sort of off the recent topic...but I have been noticing, since about last December, that every time I see an ad towards gamers, on a mainstream site (Amazon, PayPal, etc.), they always have a girl pictured.

This is interesting, as studies have shown that females make up like 10 percent or less of mainstream gamers. I know the "over 50 percent of gamers are women" number is out there, but it counts mobile.

I wonder if the companies got this memo, or like the gaming media, REALLY want females to be gamers? It's really odd. I mean, men are the majority of hardcore gamers. We buy the systems, the games, go to the cons, fill up the forums...keep things going...and we don't even get represented in ads.

I remember when they had the "gamer" ad, around Christmas, on Amazon. Had some purple haired looking SJW girl. Or geek girl. Take your pick. I kind of rolled my eyes, at that one.
Right now I am looking at some girl with a VR headset on. I'm sure they'll be the main audience for that.

[Durandal]

if a company thinks it can increase sales by slapping dicks and profanities over their ads, they will do it
companies will do anything to appease to as much demographics as possible in order to increase profits

[TransatlanticFoe]

The stereotypical gamer gets a raging boner at the sight of a female playing games. Or they turn into a gibbering sexist goblin. I'm guessing they're advertising based on the power of boners.

[Opus131]

Using attractive women to advertise games? Why, that's totally unheard of. Not like that has been standard practice for the past three decades or anything.

[Opus131]

The stereotypical gamer gets a raging boner at the sight of a female playing games. Or they turn into a gibbering sexist goblin. I'm guessing they're advertising based on the power of boners.

How dare normal young men have normal male urges. Must be a product of that toxic masculinity i keep hearing about.

[gct]

Using attractive women to advertise games? Why, that's totally unheard of. Not like that has been standard practice for the past three decades or anything.

What I haven't heard of until now is using unattractive tryhard edgy dyed hair SJW women to advertise games. That's a major boner killer. Probably playing some tryhard edgy art "game" too. Maybe that's how to increase the percentage of females in mainstream gaming, by reducing the absolute numbers of males. Call me misogynist, but if this is the future of gaming, I'm happy to stay in the past.

[Hagane]

It's only natural to aim to females; if more of them see gaming as something any normal woman can enjoy, companies will profit more from a larger market. I see nothing wrong with this; if there are not more women playing games it's because it's not seen as a socially accepted thing to do for them.

Hell, it's barely accepted for men; most people will think you are an immature manchild if they ever find you enjoy gaming. People who find watching sports they don't play or some dumb soap opera the adult thing to do.

[BulletMagnet]

It's really odd. I mean, men are the majority of hardcore gamers. We buy the systems, the games, go to the cons, fill up the forums...keep things going...and we don't even get represented in ads.

Every goofball 90's gaming ad I can recall off the top of my head makes me more relieved at this state of affairs than anything else.

[Opus131]

It's only natural to aim to females

If you want your product to fail, yes.

I wonder what it is going to take before people wake up from this delusion that men and women are the same. No matter how much feminists try, the outcome is always the same but some people just seem to be impervious to reality.

[Hagane]

That's what some dumb people used to say for their education and voting rights, too.

There's nothing that prevents women from playing games other than the social stigma attached to it. If a female child picks a toy that's supposed to be for boys, it's usually taken away from her because that would make her a tomboy. They are given kitchen sets and babies instead. No wonder most women end up how they do.

Some aren't raised that way, thankfully.

[EmperorIng]

I seem to recall that Pac-Man was designed specifically to appeal to women, as was Bubble Bobble. Both games proved wildly successful. Nintendo made a fortune for at least two generations making products that appealed to all consumer types.

At the same time, not every game can or should be aimed at every type of consumer. I doubt Wing Commander would have benefited from being designed with, uh, women(?) in mind. Unless there were trekkie women out there who really wanted to fly a spaceship, but that's a really small group (and if I were to guess one virtually indistinguishable from male trekkies dreaming about piloting a spaceship).

Every goofball 90's gaming ad I can recall off the top of my head makes me more relieved at this state of affairs than anything else.

Atari Jaguar, man. 64 bits. Six*ty-Four. Do the fucking math, you idiot.

*the x is for x-treme

[Squire Grooktook]

It's only natural to aim to females

If you want your product to fail, yes.

I wonder what it is going to take before people wake up from this delusion that men and women are the same. No matter how much feminists try, the outcome is always the same but some people just seem to be impervious to reality.

You are almost right but you go too far.

Yes, men and women are different on more levels then purely sociological factors. That being said, they're not so different that what men generally enjoy are completely anathema to women.

I know and have known lots of women who enjoy games. I was even guided through Bloodborne recently by a long time female friend who's a big fan of the Souls series. I've seen lots of women at fighting game tournaments who are proficient players. I've seen lots of women at comic con enjoying games, anime, and comics, etc. And none of them are weird "butch lesbians" or anything. Just regular people looking for some fun.

Beyond that, I know lots of women who don't play games but respect then as an interesting creative medium. I know lots of women who like "actiony" stuff and movies of the sort, I know women who are heavily into heavy metal music (my mom lol).

I agree that to some extent, females will always be a bit of a minority when it comes to some forms of entertainment, and that the mediums themselves shouldn't totally blame themselves for this (even if they can always improve in some ways). But at the same time, it's a mistake to assume that just because something is "actiony" the majority of women won't have any interest in it.

Besides, games are fun.

While female gamers are not the majority, there are enough of them at this point that it's worth listening to them. Though I do not advocate that games should lessen their appeal to men in order to appeal more to women. I think developers should go on creating what they want to make, but that they should keep these ideas in mind while in the creative process. They may be relevant, they may not. But an awareness can't be a bad thing.

[Mischief Maker]

It's only natural to aim to females

If you want your product to fail, yes.

You'd be more inclined to buy games whose advertising features buff manly dudes in leather? This actually explains quite a bit.

[Opus131]

That's what some dumb people used to say for their education and voting rights, too.

I don't know, considering the mess we are in today maybe they weren't so stupid (har har).

There's nothing that prevents women from playing games other than the social stigma attached to it.

But the social stigma didn't stop men, so already you are admitting there is a difference.

Here's a wild suggestion: women don't care about video games because they don't like them. Girls like to play with dolls, while boys like to play with trucks. The end. There are exceptions but they are just that, exceptions.

[Squire Grooktook]

I don't know, considering the mess we are in today maybe they weren't so stupid, har har.

I know this is supposed to be a joke, but you are really trying hard here to make sure no one ever takes you seriously.

Here's a wild suggestion: women don't care about video games because they don't like them.

They do though.

To compare it to the truck vs doll analogy, from my experience video games are more appealing to a much greater number of women then toy trucks are to girls. It's a much more diverse, exciting, intellectually stimulating medium with a lot of different appeals to a lot of different people then a mere action figure.

[Opus131]

While female gamers are not the majority, there are enough of them at this point that it's worth listening to them.

Listening in what sense. Do you mean the medium should change in order to conform to their tastes? But that's a contradiction already, for those women already like games the way they are, or don't they?

[Squire Grooktook]

While female gamers are not the majority, there are enough of them at this point that it's worth listening to them.

Listening in what sense. Do you mean the medium should change in order to conform to their tastes? But that's a contradiction already, for those women already like games the way they are, or don't they?

I already answered this in a paragraph below.

I don't think the medium should change. And in fact, I have no problem with games like Senran Kagura or DOAX existing. They're obviously aimed at men, and that's fine. But having games that possess the depth and grace to appeal to a wider demographic is nice too (see: Dark Souls).

Rather, I just think that in general artists and designers, as creative individuals, should simply consider this when attempting to come up with new and creative ideas.

As an amateur/in-training game developer myself, I try to be aware of as many concepts and ideas as I can when brain storming new ideas, even those outside my comfort zone. If I just made the same shmup 30 times in a row (see Cave) it would be boring and stagnant, both for me and for players.