Sony BVM-14F1U to Component Gamecube 480p

[MattDiGit]

I recently purchased a very good condition BVM model in title which has 60,000 hours on it.

Seems to be operating fine, just having a hard time getting it hooked up without dostorsions via component to bnc adapters into the existing RGB input on the display.

Any help would be greatly apreciated.

I can upload pics or what not if needed, very new to this and just want to play my games with scanlines and no input lag!

Thanks!

MD

[Fudoh]

The Sony BVM-14F1U cannot display 480p. It's a 15khz only display, so 240p and 480i only.

[MattDiGit]

I was worried that is the case, everytime I try to display progressive scan mode I get multiple screens.

I was able to get it working flawlessly in interlaced mode though, it looks very good still.

[MattDiGit]

Here is a pic of my pokemon scanlines



Note the clairity of the man in the corners mustash, I never seen that before on another screen, lol.

[MattDiGit]

What is the reason behind it being able to display 240p but not 480? Is it because there are only 800 lines of screen resolution on this model? Just wondering. I guess I could proably answer this question myself with a little reaserch, but hey, I'm new here so why not get familiar with the forums.

Thanks a lot for the quick reply by the way.

[Fudoh]

Just the chassis. The tube in your BVM is identical to the BVM-D series. The D14 can display 480p, 720p and 1080i.

[MattDiGit]

This may seem like a stupid question because I am a noob, but how does the chassis effect screen resolution? Also, is there any way to get my BVM to display the same resolutions that the D series BVM does?

[mikejmoffitt]

Screen resolution is a matter of how quickly and how many times the beam can sweep within one field (in progressive scan, a field is a frame). The chassis must be willing to both recognize a higher resolution signal like 48 and be able to synchronize the beams horizontal sweeping with the horizontal sync frequency (in this case ~30KHz).

[MattDiGit]

Well, looks like I'll be selling this one and picking up another which can use the full potential of my component cables. :"(

[MattDiGit]

So we are sure it can't be done by an optional decoder card? In the specs it dosn't say anything about not being able to display resolutions over 480i, it just says resultions are able to be displayed depending on which card you have installed. The card it has now is only Raw RGB, it dosn't say ypbpr on it, which is what a 480p signal would be right? I was able to get it to display a bit through the raw input in progessive scan, but the sync was off and it showed two screens, albiet they were crystal clear with no dostortions...

Really makes me wonder, if I got the correct decorder card, would it then be able to process the signal correctly?

[Fudoh]

no.

[MattDiGit]

Thanks for all the information.

I decided it might not be a bad idea to keep this BVM. The picture is really amazing even though it won't do the resolutions I orginially wanted it to display. I don't want to go any bigger than 14" and was told I may not even be able to tell the differance in those resolutions at this size of screen anyway. Not to mention any models which can do the resolutions available to me are insane amounts of money ($500+), I only paid 140 for this one.

I'll keep my eyes peeled for another 14" at a decent price which can handle the high resolutions, but until then; which quite possibly could be never, this is my new baby for retro gaming.

[BazookaBen]

You could always go with a PC CRT monitor and a YPbPr>RGBHV transcoder. Then you can play 480p all the way up to 1440p and beyond, depending on the monitor

[MattDiGit]

I thought about that, but the good transcoders are around 100 bucks, an extra cost I'm not really willing to shell out. Also, any 14" pc monitor would certainly be infirior in picture quality to this BVM, would it not? I don't know much about pc screen specs, technology or what they can handle though. I've gone so deep into this Trinitron buisness that it is about all I really want to have at this point. They really do come with a nostalgic aura you can't get from any other screens as well. The build quaility and specs of these things make even the highest quality LCD screens available today look like utter crap.

I'm still really new to all of this though, I didn't even know what a PVM or BVM was a few weeks ago.

Anyway, here is another shot of my scanlines in 1080 avalanche @ 480i.


Hows she looking?

[bobrocks95]

Sony made Trinitron PC monitors as well. If you're only looking at 14" screens they would be a wonderful choice for 480p and given the high resolution they support, look just as good (scanlines might be fatter? You seem to be a big fan of them anyway).

If you look around you can probably find a good transcoder for less than that. A Trinitron PC monitor will be peanuts, I got one for I think $30 and I'd say I overpaid a bit.

[BazookaBen]

Yeah, I'm using a 19" Trinitron PC monitor at the moment (dell p992), they also made 21" (and 24" but that was 16:10 widescreen). And yeah, I think I got my transcoder (Audio Authority 9A65) for 40 bucks or so on ebay.

Picture quality on the monitor is outstanding. I'm currently playing Street Fighter V on it at 2176x1224, detail settings maxed out with motion blur off. For a 60fps fighter, this is pretty much the ideal way to play. Just got a colorimeter for it too, so I'll hopefully get it closer to reference quality color soon.

[MattDiGit]

I'll have a look around at pc monitors, for sure. Pretty satisfied with my BVM at this point though, no urgentcy to find another screen. I mean, I'm sure most people would be happy to have any BVM 14" or above, so I should probably be thankful I found it. I'll just keep reaserching about other crts in the meantime, while I enjoy this one.



Thanks for all the advice everyone!

[MattDiGit]

So, I've found a 15" monitor locally, which I think think may do the trick; I could settle for that size. The model is sony trinitron multiscan 100SX, it seems to be in good shape, on the ad the seller is only asking $25.

Any thoughts on this particular screen? Should I go have a look at it and maybe buy if it truly is in good working order, sell the BVM and get a transcoder? Maybe keep the BVM for lower res consoles and use the monitor for anything it dosn't support? I looked at the specs and it seems to be able to do everytning I need.

Here is a link to the pdf:
https://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model-ho ... l=CPD100SX

[Fudoh]

The Sony needs 31khz or higher, so 15khz sources won't work on it.

[BazookaBen]

It should be an OK monitor to hold you over until you can find something better. Checking craigslist regularly, you should be able to find a 19 or 21" monitor.

The maximum resolution will be really low on the 15", which is fine for 480p. But you will be missing detail if you ever hook up an Xbox 360, PS4, PC, etc.

[bobrocks95]

He said earlier he didn't want a BVM any larger than 14", so I doubt 15 is a problem.

You'll want to keep both until you find a multisync BVM. It will just take approximately forever for that to happen. You could get a simple linedoubler like one of the older xrgb units in the future if you decide to get rid of your current BVM.

[Blair]

I believe you can force most gamecube games into 240p (instead of 480i) with the Swiss home-brew tool. I tested this out on my pvm-14m2u with Twilight princess and SoulCalibur II. both ran great in 240p.

You can also force some 480i only games into 480p (like Bloody Roar: Primal Fury)

[MattDiGit]

I'll just stick with my BVM for now. Like one of you said to me before, 480p from 480i really isn't that much of a differance at this size anyway. I can just hang in there until the day my holy grail BVM comes along. Hopfully sooner than later. Ebay has a few but the prices are just insane... But, I guess maybe its worth it considering what they can do.

I'll just have to save my pennies for a few weeks, shouldn't be a problem finding one. At the same time, I'm thinking I don't mind playing on my current setup at all, maybe I should just stick with what I have. 480i and under isnt so bad, specially when your rocking 800 tv lines @ 14".

Still... One of the BVM I was checking specs on has 1000 lines @ 14". Not to mention it can handle the high resolutions, it must be something else playing on a screen like that, right?

[MattDiGit]

I was reading something about at those high resolutions with a screen this small and 1000 tv lines that it would being to look like an LCD display. I guess it makes sense, at that point I'm thinking my scanlines would be almost non exsistant. Has anyone around these forums had a chance to use one of the 14" BVMs I'm talking about? What are they like?

Do pc monitors have a TV line rating as well? From what I've read the amount of tv lines a PVM or BVM has greatly increases the picture quality, but I wasn't able to find a line rating in the specs of that pc monitor I posted a link of.

[Blair]

I'll just stick with my BVM for now. Like one of you said to me before, 480p from 480i really isn't that much of a differance at this size anyway. I can just hang in there until the day my holy grail BVM comes along. Hopfully sooner than later. Ebay has a few but the prices are just insane... But, I guess maybe its worth it considering what they can do.

I'll just have to save my pennies for a few weeks, shouldn't be a problem finding one. At the same time, I'm thinking I don't mind playing on my current setup at all, maybe I should just stick with what I have. 480i and under isnt so bad, specially when your rocking 800 tv lines @ 14".

Still... One of the BVM I was checking specs on has 1000 lines @ 14". Not to mention it can handle the high resolutions, it must be something else playing on a screen like that, right?

sounds good. the only thing that ever really bothered me about 480i on a pvm was the flicker on some menus, but most games are good about limiting that.

I enjoy 240p on a CRT more then 480p, but thats just my taste.

[bobrocks95]

[...] at that point I'm thinking my scanlines would be almost non exsistant

On the contrary, I'm pretty sure they'd be the thickest, chunkiest, darkest scanlines you'd ever see running low-resolution stuff on a very high-resolution, small CRT. Unless I have things flipped around.

[MattDiGit]

Any idea why in 4:3 normal I get some red colour bleeding and the screen is shifted a bit to the left? I can correct the screen offset but the colour issue seems to be out of my knowledge. When I turn on underscan it fixed both of the problems. Just asking because I see most if you run on normal mode.

[BazookaBen]

Do pc monitors have a TV line rating as well? From what I've read the amount of tv lines a PVM or BVM has greatly increases the picture quality, but I wasn't able to find a line rating in the specs of that pc monitor I posted a link of.

PC monitors have really high TVL counts, as high as the BVM or higher. Some 21" PC CRT's can fully resolve 1920x1440. The 24" FW900 can resolve even more I think

I enjoy 240p on a CRT more then 480p, but thats just my taste.

Huh, wouldn't that totally be dependent on the game? Like, you don't want to play Super Mario Galaxy at 240p. That's totally a 480p, 60fps game.

[bobrocks95]

Do pc monitors have a TV line rating as well? From what I've read the amount of tv lines a PVM or BVM has greatly increases the picture quality, but I wasn't able to find a line rating in the specs of that pc monitor I posted a link of.

PC monitors have really high TVL counts, as high as the BVM or higher. Some 21" PC CRT's can fully resolve 1920x1440. The 24" FW900 can resolve even more I think

2304x1440 at 85 Hz from what I've heard. The thing is an absolute beast regardless. Wish people other than complete jackasses sold them on ebay. There's one up for around $1,400 right now, PROFESSIONALLY CALIBRATED and everything.

[BazookaBen]

There's one up for around $1,400 right now, PROFESSIONALLY CALIBRATED and everything.

Haha, I see why you'd be skeptical, but assuming you're talking about Unkle Vito, that guy definitely knows his stuff. He's made tons of posts in the FW900 thread on Hardforums and has really helped people get the most of out of their monitors.

I definitely haven't seen negative reviews for his refurbished monitors.