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Iran War. When.

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Re: Too Many Things to Talk about in this Thread

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EmperorIng wrote:As far as I can tell, nothing happened until protesters entered the rally and starting acting belligerently towards rally-goers, and that things devolved from there.
As far as I can tell, nothing happened until protesters entered the rally and starting acting belligerently towards rally-goers, but things didn't get worse from there.

Because this was when the Black Lives Matter people grabbed the mic at Bernie and Hilary rallies.

Are they doing this anymore? Are people saying "oh boy, look at Bernie inciting people to violence?" Are people getting beaten at Clinton rallies? No, because Bernie is more of a man than Trump is, and he dealt with the issue. And Hilary is...well, more grown-up than Trump, too.

You are so dumb.
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Like i said, "inciting violence" here simply means do not dare to defend yourself from my own violence. It is ok to bring up violence to Trump but it is not ok for Trump to respond in kind.

And yes, Bernie Sanders should have stood up to those Black Lives Matters agitators. I can't even begin to comprehend how anyone would think it is ok to let bullies get away with their antics.
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Case in point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... 6d4t1704N8

Who do you think is inciting the violence here, the guy who rushed towards Trump planning to do who knows what, or the crowd chanting "kick his ass Donald"?

I guess when one of those champtions of peace and free speech manages to actually assassinate Trump we can still blame him for his "hateful" rhetoric, right?
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Two working class dudes, one black one white, just baked a tray of ten cookies together.

An oligarch walks in and grabs nine cookies for himself.

Then he says to the white dude "Watch out for that black dude, he wants a piece of your cookie!"
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Re: Trump: A real American Hero Dude

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Regardless of my own feelings/leanings on the matter, I just want to say that EmperorIng is the only conservative(ish?) aligned poster here who doesn't make me facepalm, and I respect him for sticking to his guns and trying to argue reasonably, rather then just spouting "2 + 2 = 5" over and over. So I wouldn't insult him, even if I disagreed with some of his stances.
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One of the greatest Trump rally events was when a group of ~20 black people were ordered to leave. They weren't protesting or doing anything, besides being a group of black people. Just standing around. Good times.
EmperorIng wrote:Ha ha, hey man last page your were hoping for increased white marginalization leading to a death rattle in Texas just to turn the state Democrat. How else am I supposed to interpret such things, if not the talk of absolutely insane people?
"Having latinos vote at the same rate as white people" does not "marginalize" white people, it unmarginalizes mexican americans, klansfriend.

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about the famous Nixon ad Convention.
Corporate democrats chose a pro-war corporatecrat that nobody (literally nobody - 0%) voted for in the primary over the anti-war guy their voters wanted. And it split the party in half - its effects are felt to this day. Nixon lied and presented himself as anti-war and crushed the corporatecrat.

If They select the corporatecrat again today, yes your New Nixon guy will win. It won't be because of your race war warriors pretending to be victims. It will be because no one is retarded enough to want to vote for wall street, but they are retarded enough to vote for racial cleansing.
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Re: Trump: A real American Hero Dude

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Whoa, I was just having some fun. No need to go off the deep end with the klan links. It's like I missed the train to congratulate Bernie on his Michigan win and all of the sudden I'm on the black list (har har). More than happy to have him say "I don't want [our mayor's] endorsement," ha. While many of Chicago's educational problems lie largely with its corrupt, convicted leadership, teachers on the ground are unfairly squeezed.

Getting higher voter turnout is a Sisyphean effort as it is; all the more power to people who do so. I think I mentioned before how voter turnout is abysmal in Illinois because of how hopeless it all seems. :P Maybe Tuesday will prove me wrong; I already voted though.

@Squire: Appreciate the kind words. There was a nasty argument several pages back that broke down into childish name-calling that I regret, so there might still be some salted feelings. I honestly don't hold grudges and don't dislike anyone.
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Re: Trump: A real American Hero Dude

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Opus131 wrote:Like i said, "inciting violence" here simply means do not dare to defend yourself from my own violence. It is ok to bring up violence to Trump but it is not ok for Trump to respond in kind.
Completely wrong once again - the only violence has been against Trump protesters. I mean, come on, let's stop lying already.

Also, since it needs to be said: If I thought that people like Opus, Ing, and quash were just simple then I think not only would I not waste time on them, but their simpleness would be evident. There wouldn't be much to be angry about, just in the same way it is hard to be angry at a small child for asking a silly question, or an insane person for not acting normally.

Yet it's jarring to read somebody who enjoys Umberto Eco but not have wondered whether Ur-Fascism might apply in parts to Trump as it might to Mussolini. Or, as that could simply be a case of unfamiliarity, it is the sudden refusal - in only certain circumstances - to use one's normal (or even above-normal) reasoning powers to ask very simple questions that causes me to groan.

If you normally use your head for more than just a place to hang your cap, then why does thinking about Trump suddenly throw off this trend?

Excellent post BryanM!
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My views on Trump have remained very consistent in that:

a) there are some things he says I very much like
b) there are some things he says I very much dislike

The question has always been has what he promised that I like, inasmuch as they are 'promised', were better than what I dislike, which is why I ultimately took my vote somewhere else.

Since there's more than enough invective in the thread to fill a whole forum, I figured it'd be best for me to focus on what I liked when talking, and analyze the reignited culture wars (with all requisite dirty tricks) coming as a result of the election.
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EmperorIng wrote:"fuck the public; I'm the expert!"
I won't attempt to deny the existence of this attitude among some, nor the many inherent problems with it (not to mention how much support it's cost progressive causes over the years), but I would posit that there has also been a dramatic swing to the other, equally-self-important extreme, i.e. "fuck the experts, I'll always do what I want no matter what any egghead says!" Trump's central campaign theme of "who needs numbers, I'm so awesome they don't have to add up" being the latest major case in point. I certainly don't advocate taking everything any "expert" says as gospel, but methinks the knee-jerk rejection of so-called "insiders" is just as short-sighted and destructive, and at least as culturally pervasive at this particular moment in our history.
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I don't think any of that is in question. What I am questioning is why you are making strenuous efforts to absolve Trump of wrongdoing in his treatment of protesters, when any short reflection on the matter would suggest that other candidates face similar issues, and manage to get control of them. This has been an ongoing problem for Trump - every issue he seems to capitalize on for his base comes at the cost of looking, to others, like a failure to actually resolve an issue, or poorly thought-out divide-and-conquer tactics of the sort that leave him with an unfavorable rating that averages well over 60 points, not to mention scaring a bunch of people who didn't need to be tormented further.

"Fuck the public", you say? Au contraire :o
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The only other politician with near as high an unfavorable rating is Clinton. We've decided to call it "The election nobody wants."
EmperorIng wrote:More than happy to have him say "I don't want [our mayor's] endorsement," ha. While many of Chicago's educational problems lie largely with its corrupt, convicted leadership, teachers on the ground are unfairly squeezed.

Getting higher voter turnout is a Sisyphean effort as it is; all the more power to people who do so. I think I mentioned before how voter turnout is abysmal in Illinois because of how hopeless it all seems. :P Maybe Tuesday will prove me wrong; I already voted though
Rahm has always been one of his favorite chew toys, up there with Alan Greenspan and Henry Kissinger. It's great to see him run ads of the principal guy going "fuck our mayor, let's vote for Bernie."

There are strong indicators that the Illinois polls will be off in his favor as they were in Oklahoma and Michigan... high youth early voting, decent google trendlines... but Florida though. Closed primary. The South.

Having the fate of all humanity sit in the hand of Florida has not had a great track record of good results historically.
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Ed Oscuro wrote:I don't think any of that is in question. What I am questioning is why you are making strenuous efforts to absolve Trump of wrongdoing in his treatment of protesters, when any short reflection on the matter would suggest that other candidates face similar issues, and manage to get control of them. This has been an ongoing problem for Trump - every issue he seems to capitalize on for his base comes at the cost of looking, to others, like a failure to actually resolve an issue, or poorly thought-out divide-and-conquer tactics of the sort that leave him with an unfavorable rating that averages well over 60 points, not to mention scaring a bunch of people who didn't need to be tormented further.
Strenuous? You might be overlooking the fact that I have said Trump's Muslim ban is in fact, stupid, that he fucked up with the KKK fiasco, and just now that the behavior of his rallies are suspect. As one of my favorite pundits Bill Whittle said, he usually finds himself liking Trump, right up to the point where he opens his mouth.

In regards to protesters, I think Cruz and Rubio spoke truthfully in this regard: one, it's not good democracy to angrily storm a rally (again, a right to assembly), and two, shame on someone for stoking that anger in the first place. However, I won't just let the Chicago protesters off the hook just because they stood up to something they didn't believe in, and the Chicago police leaders in particular failed because they knew this would be a shitstorm and, personally, should have had more people there to keep things from getting out of control. Trump seems to have realized a general need to "tone things down" since his rhetoric has moved away from the more bombastic to "get 'em outta here! Take 'em back home to his mommy" or some variation.
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EmperorIng wrote:"fuck the public; I'm the expert!"
I won't attempt to deny the existence of this attitude among some, nor the many inherent problems with it (not to mention how much support it's cost progressive causes over the years), but I would posit that there has also been a dramatic swing to the other, equally-self-important extreme, i.e. "fuck the experts, I'll always do what I want no matter what any egghead says!" ... I certainly don't advocate taking everything any "expert" says as gospel, but methinks the knee-jerk rejection of so-called "insiders" is just as short-sighted and destructive, and at least as culturally pervasive at this particular moment in our history.
While we agree that extremes are no good, it follows that we also must agree that polarized positions feed into the opposite extremes, creating fear and myopia. I have no problem calling out modern leftist politicians as lying scumbags and allied pseudo-intellectuals as charlatans while pointing out the numerous repeated failures of the spineless GOP and the rabid war-mongering neocons. Ultimately, it's in issues that I care about and can find agreement with, and issues ultimately transcend partisan back-and-forth name-calling (e.g. "republicans are evil and luv the rich!!!!" "dems are commie fags!!!"). I've maintained a healthy disgust towards both political parties, while having no problem whatsoever arguing against bad "progressive" solutions to national problems.
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Ed Oscuro wrote:Completely wrong once again - the only violence has been against Trump protesters. I mean, come on, let's stop lying already.
So essentially Trump protesters can crash Trump rallies, wreck havoc, disrupt his speeches, fire guns in the air, block ambulances, assault people, threaten to murder Trump supporters, and insult security personnel to their faces, and all that kind of "peaceful" stuff like that, but whenever one of them gets manhandled and hauled out of the rally, that's just a sign Trump is a fascist and the reincarnation of Mussolini.

And why all this trouble? Because Trump is saying things other people don't like. Which in a sense would mean the only fascists here are actually those very same Trump "protesters".

BTW, i wonder why Trump supporters are such an angry bunch:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... ve-to-die/
Ed Oscuro wrote:If you normally use your head for more than just a place to hang your cap, then why does thinking about Trump suddenly throw off this trend?
Maybe some of us can see that 2+2=4. :mrgreen:
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Opus131 wrote:Maybe some of us can see that 2+2=4. :mrgreen:
Indeed! Remember that time Anita Sarkeesian canceled a university talk because of death threats, definitively proving that all supporters of gamergate are irredeemably evil?
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EmperorIng wrote:While we agree that extremes are no good, it follows that we also must agree that polarized positions feed into the opposite extremes, creating fear and myopia.
Sure, I think most people would agree with that, but the more specific point I was trying to make is that Trump in particular falls very deep into the hardcore "screw the official figures, I don't care" end of the spectrum, and his repeated assertions that every institution whose numbers disagree with his must be conspiring to lie to the public and perform a clandestine takedown of his campaign fit neatly into the "feedback loop" you just described.
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Everyone under the sun is conspiring to bring Trump down. Whether they lie or not is irrelevant at this point. Nobody trusts them anymore.
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" He'll send out his angels with a loud Trump blast, and they'll gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to another. "
(Matthew 24:31)

Also it is said Trump will be blown twice on the Day of Judgment.
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Mischief Maker wrote:
Opus131 wrote:Maybe some of us can see that 2+2=4. :mrgreen:
Indeed! Remember that time Anita Sarkeesian canceled a university talk because of death threats, definitively proving that all supporters of gamergate are irredeemably evil?
Indeed i do. Yet another reason why Trump is popular.
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EmperorIng wrote:Wealth; which is indeed a tangible thing.
He makes "wealth". How very vague. Thanks.
BTW, i wonder why Trump supporters are such an angry bunch:
"Donald Trump’s speeches make them feel good. So does OxyContin." :lol:
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Rob wrote:
EmperorIng wrote:Wealth; which is indeed a tangible thing.
He makes "wealth". How very vague. Thanks.
It's not vague if you take the time to think about it. It's economics. Wealth, or money, can be created. Valueless things can eventually be turned into valuable things (like BitCoin, at least for a while). Trump-as-businessman has created new places for wealth creation and the spending of wealth (and wealth destruction in some of his failed ventures), thereby in total increasing the amount of wealth/money in the world and the amount people spend. This is why I said it is indeed tangible, or maybe more cheekily, intangibly tangible. It's not as if by building a giant tower somewhere he stole the world's money from some limited pool. It cost money to build, yeah, but it also makes money, both in its creation, maintenance, and use.

It's the primary reason we (privately or publicly) invest in businesses, small or big - they create value, and generate new value/wealth to add to the overall GDP and standard of living. The "rising tide" is why even today the poorest person in America, for example, has more than a good shot at living several decades longer than a wealthy person from 400 years ago.

Businesses are not only in the business of creating "stuff", but in creating value (e.g. a product, a concept, a design, a service, and so on - creating the value of a product). Some work, many don't (the history of businesses is that most fail): Gutenberg was one of the first to get into the printing business, and he was one of the first to bankrupt out of it, as well.

Don't take the above as some ardent support of everything capital, because there are plenty of problems that I have talked about before that should be addressed. That being said, it would be wrong to assume that even businesses that Trump has run don't "count" compared to something immediately graspable, like a barber or a restaurateur.
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Opus131 wrote:Everyone under the sun is conspiring to bring Trump down.
Including him!
Donald Trump says he is looking into paying the legal fees of a man who was arrested after throwing a sucker punch at a protester during the Republican frontrunner’s rally in North Carolina last week.

“The man got carried away,” Trump said on NBC’s “Meet The Press” Sunday. “He obviously loves his country, and maybe he doesn’t like seeing what’s happening to the country.”

At Wednesday’s rally in Fayetteville, N.C., John McGraw, 78, was caught on video punching the protester, 26-year-old Rakeem Jones, as Jones was being led out of the event by security.

After the rally, “Inside Edition” interviewed McGraw, who freely admitted assaulting Jones.

“He deserved it,” McGraw said. “The next time we see him, we might have to kill him.”
Here's that sucker punch video again.

At least Bernie has the good sense to say that while he supports the protests, he does not support acts of disruption.
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Opus131 wrote:And yes, Bernie Sanders should have stood up to those Black Lives Matters agitators. I can't even begin to comprehend how anyone would think it is ok to let bullies get away with their antics.
The hypocracy on this particular subject is staggering. This is a movement that caused violent protests and, directly or indirectly, caused a presidential candidate to make patently false claims in front of the world.

Just in this thread we've seen people condemning Trump for inciting violence and being statistically inaccurate. Yet when the dank memer does the same shit, not only does nobody make a stink about it, they turn around and defend him (with even more lies).

When your allegiances boil down to such an obvious blind trust in Democrats, can you blame anyone that refuses to be so dogmatic for not taking you seriously?
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Well hey, I may ultimately owe a debt of gratitude to ol' Orangutan Hair!

His angry tweets that Sanders is out to get him have forced the TV media to start giving Sanders airtime and Sanders is wisely using that time to point out the polls that show him stomping Trump in a general election, striking at the one and only perceived advantage that Hillary has over him (anti-trump firewall) to the internet-phobic portion of the voting public.

How strangely prescient that You can't always get what you want was playing in the background while that Trump supporter was being interviewed after sucker-punching the protester. Sometimes you just might find you get what you need.
Two working class dudes, one black one white, just baked a tray of ten cookies together.

An oligarch walks in and grabs nine cookies for himself.

Then he says to the white dude "Watch out for that black dude, he wants a piece of your cookie!"
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EmperorIng wrote:Businesses are not only in the business of creating "stuff", but in creating value
I always thought value was created in the process of production by labor? Have I been reading the wrong books?
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quash wrote:
Opus131 wrote:And yes, Bernie Sanders should have stood up to those Black Lives Matters agitators. I can't even begin to comprehend how anyone would think it is ok to let bullies get away with their antics.
The hypocracy on this particular subject is staggering. This is a movement that caused violent protests and, directly or indirectly, caused a presidential candidate to make patently false claims in front of the world.

Just in this thread we've seen people condemning Trump for inciting violence and being statistically inaccurate. Yet when the dank memer does the same shit, not only does nobody make a stink about it, they turn around and defend him (with even more lies).

When your allegiances boil down to such an obvious blind trust in Democrats, can you blame anyone that refuses to be so dogmatic for not taking you seriously?
I can't believe I'm about to explain Black Lives Matter on a shmups enthusiast forum.

Have you ever seen the movie "Do the Right Thing?" The film takes place in a mostly black neighborhood in Brooklyn on the hottest day of summer and follows the main character of Mookie (played by Spike Lee) as he delivers pizza for Sal, a white Italian-American who owns the pizzeria on the block. The film is an exploration of the various complexities of racial relations in America, and if anything it comes down harder on African Americans. There are no heroes or villains in this movie. Sal and the community are friendly with each other, but there are definite barriers between them.

At the end of the movie a fight breaks out between Sal and Radio Raheem. The cops arrive and put Radio Raheem in a chokehold that kills him. Realizing what they've done, the cops panic, put Radio Raheem's body in their squad car, and take off, leaving Sal and his son facing the outraged crowd. Now Radio Raheem definitely was an instigator in this fight, but the cops used excessive force. I wish I could find the scene on Youtube where the crowd expresses their outrage at Sal that the cops "didn't have to kill the boy."

Sal shrugs and says "You do what you gotta do."

A quarter century later that movie and that scene is still depressingly relevant today. Police use excessive force and kill an unarmed black teen and it's met by shrugs in the mainstream media. *shrug* "Oh well, he shouldn't have resisted arrest." Type "unarmed black killed by police" into Youtube and a parade of horrors fill up your screen. *shrug*

These constant shrugs in response to these constant outrages bring the implicit message that Black Lives Don't Matter.

Now let's turn the clock way back. In the 1960s Bernie Sanders took part in Chicago's first civil rights sit-in to protest segregated housing. Sit-ins like those are celebrated today but back then they were the considered incredibly rude. Can't they read the sign "No Blacks Allowed?" How rude! Why must they bully these hard-working business owners? But now with our 21st century hindsight we can see that their seemingly rude behavior was a necessary disruption to an intolerable status quo that wasn't going to fix itself. *shrug*

So when the Black Lives matter people showed up to Bernie's rally, and he gave them the microphone, he wasn't being bullied by thugs. He knew what they were doing because he did the same thing himself when he was their age. When you're working as an activist, a common discussion that comes up is how you'll respond to future activists when you're older and in a position of greater power; would you sell out like a Hippie or would you do the right thing? I'd say Sanders passed that test with flying colors.

In short, if you're retorting, "Hey, all lives matter!" then you're missing the point entirely.
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BryanM wrote:The only other politician with near as high an unfavorable rating is Clinton. We've decided to call it "The election nobody wants."
Yes, it's clear that what voters really want is the ability to vote against candidates, instead of voting for them. Many people seem to mistakenly believe that this is possible in the current system, giving rise to slogans like "vote the bums out" and whatnot. But what if the system actually worked this way? Go to the polling station, and instead of voting for the least evil candidate, vote for the most evil candidate(s). The one with the fewest votes against them wins.

Voter turnout would skyrocket.
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Well, we heard the narrative. Now onto the reality:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zADRMJWhyVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm_Vv3Q24uQ

This is why nobody takes the left seriously anymore. You have constructed a world view which flies in the face of the facts and you have to lie and distort the truth constantly in order to force this simplistic and conspiratorial vision of the world upon the rest of us. Trayvon Martin was not an innocent black teen, murdered in cold blood for no reason other than that he was black. He was a wannabe thug who assaulted an overzealous neighbor watchman of hispanic descent whom the media desperately tried to portray as white (for whatever reason, right?). Michael Brown was not an innocent, "gentle" giant murdered in cold blood by a racist white policeman and so forth. This is exactly what happened with GamerGate, except with real life consequences and on a much larger scale.
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Mischief Maker wrote:In short, if you're retorting, "Hey, all lives matter!" then you're missing the point entirely.
You're missing my point entirely: that we have a left leaning public conscious that pretends to be principled when it's convenient for them. Trump rallies are "inciting violence" while destroying a whole part of a city on taxpayer's dime is "peaceful protest". Do you not see how this is supremely hypocritical? If not, you are likely ignoring the real damage being caused by the causes you support because you have an emotional investment in them.

Black Lives Matter is more or less dead in the water. It stopped being about (largely exaggerated, but still real) police brutality and became a catch all social movement for the more radical leftist element of the Democratic party. Unless you want to tell me how having safe spaces on college campuses is doing anything to prevent police from shooting people, I think it's best for everyone we leave this half baked movement in last year.
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Re: Trump: A real American Hero Dude

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quash wrote:left leaning public conscious that pretends to be principled when it's convenient for them
The beautiful thing is it's not the public that goes through these mental gymnastics, just the few commentators in the media who are widely reviled in the US and worldwide. On BLM, they could have easily made it about police brutality and the entire nation would have been behind them, but the organisers deliberately choose something divisive. Just look how useful it is today, thugs for hire that can disrupt peaceful assemblies for a democratic election.

From his latest statement about this, I'm sorry to conclude that Bernie Sanders is an idiot. The candidates that gained the most out of that scuffle in Chicago were Hillary Clinton and Trump. He has no idea whether its Bernie supporters, Trump already knows its Clinton's campaign behind it but chose to use Bernie's own words to blame him. Trump knows he can beat Hillary easier than he can beat Bernie. Cruz, Rubio and that globalist from Ohio all stuffed up by trying to use the violent "protests" against Trump. Cruz is now set to lose the extremely important 172 delegates in California which are winner takes all.

I really think Bernie vs Trump would be the most interesting election in history, but we're probably going to see Clinton vs ??? if the establishment gets its way.
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