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Mad Max: Fury Road

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After waiting a year or something I finally got to see this, and it's visually out of this world - narratively not so much.

The film is quite spectacular, and aspects of it are simply brilliant. However it's quite clear that Miller, in preparation for a revisit/reboot, looked at all his previous Max movies and decided the best bits were the chases, which is by and large absolutely true, especially in Thunderdome.

For me, if I knew Miller was going to do an entire new Mad Max that was 85% car chase, I'd have an instant movie hard-on. And he delivered that and then some.

From the top then. The aesthetic is wonderful. The character designs are fantastic and the Mad Max theme is right on the money. The vehicles are spectacular, the effects award-winning, and the blending of CG mostly inoffensive. The only aspect of the visuals I disliked was the occasional too heavy image tinting. The orange worked for the desert, but some of the nighttime blue, which looked as though it was actually a day shoot converted to look like night time, didn't sit so well. Otherwise it was pretty incredible because it's padded out with so much stunt work and real carnage.

Problem is Miller didn't quite strike a balance, and that surprised me. It's not a better film overall than Road Warrior, even if I can freely admit that the action sequences are unrivalled in terms of visual impact. It's the type of movie that doesn't need much plot at all, and there were threads of plot carried by each character anyway, while Max is the medium around which the hell transpires - as if he's the eye of the storm.

But Max was a secondary character. Tom Hardy's performance was, once again, disappointingly airy and non-committal. He brought nothing to the character and certainly didn't top Mel Gibson. But this was hampered further by the fact Furiosa was the protagonist and he was a guy along for the ride. In-fact, she was in the driving seat, literally, for most of the movie - telling Max to scoot over before the engine is even fired.

As a weighting, it didn't quite satisfy. Gibson's Max had a bit more mystique because his motivations were always unclear until he decided to go out on a limb and start tearing people to pieces. Road Warrior is certainly the best example of this because his change of heart is like a stone mill: not easily forthcoming. But it's the lulls in action in Road Warrior that give a sense of suspense; the opportunities given to the Humungous and his horde to dictate overwhelming odds and fear, insanity and danger. After which Max sides with the oppressed and you get one of the greatest comeuppances-by-car-chase in movie history.

It was never much of a plot, but it had just enough character development to fix your attention. Fury Road is so OTT that it actually starts to overwhelm at points and your attention starts to wane. There aren't enough sequences where you can focus on either Max, Furiosa, or the enemies for quite long enough. They're all there, but in tiny bits: a line from Max, a line from Furiosa, wedged under a massive glut of technical mastery going at full throttle and a rather poor supporting female cast. I didn't mind the angle and I went into it remembering Miller said there was no intended feminist connection. But probably by virtue of all the feminist bullshit surrounding media currently I couldn't quite shake off a niggling feeling of a scriptwriter perhaps influenced by current social politics.

That wasn't really important though.

In the end, I absolutely know I have to see it again. It was almost too much too take in and I think I was perhaps too hyped after such a long wait. But, that aside I still think the balance was out. Despite loving so many things about it, I think it needed just a few minutes more to catch it's breath and take a moment to character develop so we can be more invested in the fates of our heroes, rather than the outcome of the action circus.
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Hey Skykid, did you ever end up rewatching the original 1980 "Flash Gordon"?
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qmish wrote:Yes, while it's "omg trash" it's also a manifest of a true love of cinema as art.
I think people throw the term "art" too liberally this days. Fellini is art. Tarkovsky is art. None of this crap is art.
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Opus131 wrote:
qmish wrote:Yes, while it's "omg trash" it's also a manifest of a true love of cinema as art.
I think people throw the term "art" too liberally this days. Fellini is art. Tarkovsky is art. None of this crap is art.
Eh, you misunderstood me. I m not calling that exploitation movie "art". I'm saying that it is full of love to cinema itself.
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boagman wrote:Hey Skykid, did you ever end up rewatching the original 1980 "Flash Gordon"?
Nope, not yet. One day I'll get an opportunity I'm sure.
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But Max was a secondary character. Tom Hardy's performance was, once again, disappointingly airy and non-committal. He brought nothing to the character and certainly didn't top Mel Gibson. But this was hampered further by the fact Furiosa was the protagonist and he was a guy along for the ride. In-fact, she was in the driving seat, literally, for most of the movie - telling Max to scoot over before the engine is even fired.
I liked the fact that she was the protagonist. Totally broke the hollywood formula.

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I'm glad you didn't shit on it - for what it was it was brilliant. I like to think of it as a compliment to Road Warrior, not something that competes with it.
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Maybe they should have just called the film Mad Furiosa.

I also don't understand why everybody keeps yammering about Road Warrior when the first Mad Max was quite clearly the superior movie.
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Opus131 wrote:Maybe they should have just called the film Mad Furiosa.
You'll probably find Big Trouble in Little China similarly problematic.
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Hey, Skykid and I agree on something :shock: , Ex Machina was indeed fantastic.
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Obiwanshinobi wrote:Recently I watched some quite random DVDs when bedridden and those would be the most memorable picks:

Breathless (South Korean 2008 film, a.k.a. 똥파리) - by no means easy watching this one. Brings Mike Leigh's works to mind indeed.
a month late, but whatever *shrug*. after i saw incendies a few years ago, i dug around for 'similar' films and this kept popping up. one of my favorite korean flicks.
not an easy watch is right, but tragedy strikes a nerve.
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Shinjuku Swan - awesome, beautifully shot, better "yakuza" atmosphere than official Ryu Ga Gotoku movie.
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Why Don't You Play in Hell - over the top crazyness about yakuza fighting each other in process of making a movie. Some scenes are very heartwarming.
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Cold Fish - well, it's a bit eh... I like antagonist better than protagonist in that movie.
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check out 'The World of Kanako' if you haven't seen it. you may like it. note: there's no shortage of violent and extremely disturbing scenes. it's a filthy watch with deplorable characters.
leaves you with a 'nice' void after seeing it. a bit like watching 'happiness' for the first time. the flipside is the acting is phenomenal. Shohei Imamura's performance is an easy 10/10 (better than 'The Eel')
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rapoon wrote:
Obiwanshinobi wrote:Recently I watched some quite random DVDs when bedridden and those would be the most memorable picks:

Breathless (South Korean 2008 film, a.k.a. 똥파리) - by no means easy watching this one. Brings Mike Leigh's works to mind indeed.
a month late, but whatever *shrug*. after i saw incendies a few years ago, i dug around for 'similar' films and this kept popping up. one of my favorite korean flicks.
not an easy watch is right, but tragedy strikes a nerve.
Been wondering what shmup the protagonist's love interest's good-for-nothing brother played on a cab. Looked Video System or Psikyo to me... The first Sonic Wings perchance?
1996 French film Bernie strikes a similar chord - English softsub could be found on the internet some years ago.
Opus131 wrote:I also don't understand why everybody keeps yammering about Road Warrior when the first Mad Max was quite clearly the superior movie.
Could be some Australian thing. One Aussie I discussed it with didn't speak highly of Mad Max (as "nothing unusual", "pretty ordinary" or something along those lines) but praised Road Warrior (as if it was "the real deal").
Keeping in mind how TV alone has changed during nineteen-eighties should warrant admission that first Mad Max was the 1979's Wild Bunch of sorts (i.e. the medium's future became now right there).
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I'm sure the US dubbed version didn't help the first movie's rep any. I watched the original AU version on Netflix back when they had it and it was good stuff. I'm not sure if I prefer Road Warrior since I like that one quite a bit too.
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Opus131 wrote: I also don't understand why everybody keeps yammering about Road Warrior when the first Mad Max was quite clearly the superior movie.
It's great for what it is - certainly the bleakest post-Apocalyptic of the saga. But Road Warrior is the purest filmed embodiment of the Hokuto no Ken that was to follow, and the action sequences are phenomenal.
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I liked the fact that she was the protagonist. Totally broke the hollywood formula.

I'm glad you didn't shit on it - for what it was it was brilliant. I like to think of it as a compliment to Road Warrior, not something that competes with it.
I didn't mind her being the protagonist. I quite liked Theron in the role. But it doesn't quite work when you've billed your movie 'Mad Max' to then place the guy in the background: it throws the viewer off the movie you came expecting to see. I don't like anticipating the point when the title character is about to come into his own, only to realise half-way through it's not going to happen. That might have even given Hardy an opportunity to do some acting for a change.

I certainly also consider it a complement to Road Warrior: it's RW's final chase sequence spun into a two hour movie, and that's a novelty for sure.

I'm looking forward to watching it again now I know what to expect. Sometimes they get better when the expectation is out the way.
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I didn't mind her being the protagonist. I quite liked Theron in the role. But it doesn't quite work when you've billed your movie 'Mad Max' to then place the guy in the background: it throws the viewer off the movie you came expecting to see.
And therein lies the gem. Surprises are good...especially these days when the fucking whole movie often told in the trailer.
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Star Trek: Horizon
An independent fan film of high quality. Set in the Enterprise era, it is about a planet and a weapon that can destroy entire star systems. The Romulans have taken this and built a weapon that harnesses the power of the planet weapon. The discovery is the ship of the war and there is enough drama in the movie to keep it interesting. Nicely done movie as a movie and not just something star trek.
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GaijinPunch wrote:
I didn't mind her being the protagonist. I quite liked Theron in the role. But it doesn't quite work when you've billed your movie 'Mad Max' to then place the guy in the background: it throws the viewer off the movie you came expecting to see.
And therein lies the gem. Surprises are good...especially these days when the fucking whole movie often told in the trailer.
I think you're crediting a little too much on this role switch. My primary issue aside from finding Max relegated to extra was the lack of character development as a whole. Furiosa was equally underdeveloped in that her personality had barely any time to gain traction - her actions were all surface based survival moves, same as everyone else.

If anything Nicolas Hoult's character (the half life baldy) had the most depth because he actually had an entire story arc, but he was an exception.

I'm not saying the chase wasn't amazing, but you do need to strike a balance in a movie so that the audience can invest itself in the outcome of its heroes and villains. Some of that emphasis definitely got lost under the wheels.
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My theory is that George Miller got bamboozled by Charlize Theron because he is a huge mangina and the feminist crap came from her rather than him. The whole thing with the Vagina Monologues lady is a big give away (It's like the scene in Terminator 2 where Linda Hamilton goes into that absurd rant about men not knowing what creating means. You can just tell that was all her). Nobody cares about that crap, except for actual ideological feminists. George Miller even went on record saying he started out with the idea of making a simple chase action film and the feminist undertones grew out of that later. You don't really have to read between the lines to figure out what that means. If Miller really wanted to make a feminism film himself, he WOULD have made a Furiosa move rather than a Mad Max one.
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Opus131 wrote:I think people throw the term "art" too liberally this days. Fellini is art. Tarkovsky is art. None of this crap is art.
Fellini and Tarkovsky isn't art. It's pretentious bullshit. :lol:
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Tarkovsky was as far away from pretentious as he could be. Few films are as poetic and innovative as Andrei Rublev imo, though I must say that I've never been a fan of either Solaris or The Mirror. You should read Sculpting in Time if you really want to get a good perspective on the medium.

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nissling wrote:Tarkovsky was as far away from pretentious as he could be. Few films are as poetic and innovative as Andrei Rublev imo, though I must say that I've never been a fan of either Solaris or The Mirror. You should read Sculpting in Time if you really want to get a good perspective on the medium.
I've seen all of Tarkovsky's feature films AND read his book. I had a huge Tarkovsky phase once. I just hate this Art-with-a-capital-A posturing. You don't need to be all philosophical and shit to make a work of art.
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I think philosophy is bullshit, and I like all kinds of films. It seems to be a very common prejudice that someone who likes Tarkovsky, Fellini, Bergman and Murnau is automatically a film snob. I like them all but still highly enjoy Independence Day or a James Bond film for that matter.
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CIT wrote:
Opus131 wrote:I think people throw the term "art" too liberally this days. Fellini is art. Tarkovsky is art. None of this crap is art.
Fellini and Tarkovsky isn't art. It's pretentious bullshit. :lol:
Depends on how much you know about art. For instance: if you don't know anything about it whatsoever. :P
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nissling wrote:Tarkovsky was as far away from pretentious as he could be. Few films are as poetic and innovative as Andrei Rublev imo, though I must say that I've never been a fan of either Solaris or The Mirror. You should read Sculpting in Time if you really want to get a good perspective on the medium.
I've seen all of Tarkovsky's feature films AND read his book. I had a huge Tarkovsky phase once. I just hate this Art-with-a-capital-A posturing. You don't need to be all philosophical and shit to make a work of art.
Actually, you kinda do. What you do not need is avant-guarde. Now you can say there is an avant-guarde element to Tarkovsky, but i think only superficially. All he was trying to do in his films is destroy any notion of "time" and focus entirely on the spacial exposition of timeless ideals. Time implies change and relativity. Tarkovksy wanted to express that which is fixed and without change, so he tried to do away with time altogether. Hence, why his technique was called "sculpting in time", because to sculpt something is to create a fixed object, at least in principle.

Memory too was a big element in his films which i think is where things got a bit complicated.
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CIT wrote:I've seen all of Tarkovsky's feature films AND read his book
Heh, i didn't find the book to be all that helpful. Tarkovsky expressed philosophy through art precisely because he was an artist first and foremost. His films are very direct in their message, where as his thoughts were an incoherent, rambling mess. I have a feeling that if he could have written his ideas concisely he would have been a philosopher and not an artist.
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I think you're crediting a little too much on this role switch. My primary issue aside from finding Max relegated to extra was the lack of character development as a whole. Furiosa was equally underdeveloped in that her personality had barely any time to gain traction - her actions were all surface based survival moves, same as everyone else.
As this is a sequel technically we know enough about Max. Whether that's a smart move due to the time between films is another question, but for me, it was fine. Maybe Furiousa could have been fleshed out a little but but I felt like I knew exactly where she was coming from.

I think the roll switch was brilliant. IQ9 did a list of reasons why Fury Road should have never been made, and that was one of them. Somehow this 70 year old guy that shouldn't have been able to make this was able to convince them that the main character was going to be the sidekick.
My theory is that George Miller got bamboozled by Charlize Theron because he is a huge mangina and the feminist crap came from her rather than him.
You don't have to believe him but he stated he didn't do any of that b/c of femenism - it just seemed like an interesting story to him. Or something to that effect.
George Miller even went on record saying he started out with the idea of making a simple chase action film and the feminist undertones grew out of that later. You don't really have to read between the lines to figure out what that means.
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Could anyone recommend any other movies than Crimes of the Heart or Wild at Heart lit like those? I guess filmmakers, when working in such latitudes, can't resist those late low sun hours 'cause it looks pretty, then simply try to keep artifical lighting consistent with the outdoor, but I'm falling for it.
Sure, soft light done purposefully can be seen in many films here and there, but I'm after ones where it stems from the environment.

P.S. Actually, the lighting I was talking about seems typical of LGBT cinema... Isn't it about time to watch Silent Running at last?
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Gaijinpunch wrote:As this is a sequel technically we know enough about Max. Whether that's a smart move due to the time between films is another question, but for me, it was fine.
For me it wasn't what I'd call entirely successful. I can imagine the novelty working if the two were on dead equal footing, a true sidekick dynamic where the two are sharing responsibility.

Either way I maintain lack of character development was the biggest flaw.
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GaijinPunch wrote:Have you ever seen a real vagina?
Ever tried not to be one?

(hey, if that's how you wanna roll)
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Silent Running - wildly malerotic. That being said, Bruce Dern hauls the whole lot of it all the way through; he and the short guys who animate drones.
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The Witch - I saw this a few nights ago and liked it a lot. It's essentially a dark traditional fairy tale and felt very authentic. The director did a ton of research and it shows. It's really slow burning, with a really heavy atmosphere and continually building sense of dread. It reminded me a bit of A Field in England, though I liked this more.
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Opus131 wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote:Have you ever seen a real vagina?
Ever tried not to be one?

(hey, if that's how you wanna roll)
So your answer is no.
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