The Wii U ( WiiU ) Thread

[Shelcoof]

Everything else from FPS games to Racing even RPGs pretty much PS4 or another console I own.

We must have very different tastes, because there's pretty much nothing that interests me on PS4. Although the mention of FPS kind of reinforces that (modern console FPS ewwww, etc.) and I tend to be very discriminating with what rpg's I play.

I'd be curious what you're playing on ps4 at any rate, though. I've seen other peoples lists and they always tend to be composed of Cod's and Movie games that read as "meh,meh,meh,already on pc,meh,meh,already on pc,meh,etc." to me.

I'm sure we both have different tastes. I find my taste a bit wider than most of my friends so I enjoy a lot of different games.

Luckily the month I've been able to make quit a bit of time for games. I've managed to be able to put in a few solid hours a week playing.

PS4 lets see... I've been playing a ton of Rocket League!, Black Ops III, Minecraft and Little Big Planet 3 with the kids. oh and some GTA IV with friends online.

Started playing Teslagrad recently too. Got it as a Free Download after buying the physical European release of the game for the Vita. Highly recommend it for those who like puzzle platformers.

I've also discovered recently Splenker World which is a Free to play game that feels really retro but damn addicting especially with friends. It's also a platform co-op game that is simple but yet extremely fun.

I'm also looking forward to Assault Suit Leynos for PS4 which should be arriving sometimes next week.

Stuff I'm playing on the Wii U currently is just Smash 4... just way too addicted to that game to even play any of my other Wii U titles.

[Squire Grooktook]

Rocket League!, Black Ops III, Minecraft... GTA IV with friends online... Teslagrad recently too.

I don't mean to be antagonistic, but this pretty much proves my point and what I've been saying all this time. All the games in the quote above are already available (sometimes cheaper!) for other consoles, but most especially pc.

I really just can't empathize when people go on about Wii U's lack of games when it arguably has more exclusives (or possibly more diverse exclusives) then it's competition.

I can count 10 worthy exclusives on Wii U. I can only name 2-3 for PS4 or Xbone. As someone who's pretty much wholly embraced PC as the platform for hardcore gaming (Japanese or otherwise) in the past few years, I can see very little reason to own PS4/Xbone beyond the 2 Platinum Games and FromSoft titles in the works, where on the other hand there are quite a few interesting things on the Wii U.

I'm no Nintendo fanboy, they were pretty much non-entities for me in the previous 1-2 generations. But the current console generation is just an abysmal trainwreck in my eyes that only exists as a platform for a few AAA movie games. Wii U seems to be the only console fighting that, and while it doesn't look too hot when compared to some past consoles, it's almost a saint compared to the current bunch IMO.

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I own both and I have to say the Wii U does have a very slim library and the online features and multiplayer games are just absolutely horrible.

Yeah, not having to pay for online multiplayer is "absolutely horrible". The only game I'm playing online is Splatoon, and it works perfectly fine. The absence of chat is a feature, not a bug.

I mean damn the last Multiplayer game I bought was Devils Third and that games' online is absolutely horrible. The single player session wasn't bad but the only reason why I bought it was because there was NOTHING else available on my Wii U. If this was on any other console I would have passed on the purchase but I wanted to show support and ended up buying it.... hilarious how the game is going for double the price seeing how it was a limited available btw lol.

So, did you beat Champion Road in SM3DW, or the hard mode in DK:TF? Frankly, you talk like someone who does not even own the console.

The PS4 I could name a ton of games I'd like to pick up both single player and multiplayer.

Name them (former PS4 owner speaking here).

[Shelcoof]

Rocket League!, Black Ops III, Minecraft... GTA IV with friends online... Teslagrad recently too.

I don't mean to be antagonistic, but this pretty much proves my point and what I've been saying all this time. All the games in the quote above are already available (sometimes cheaper!) for other consoles, but most especially pc.

I feel it's completely ludicrous for people to keep harping on about Wii U's lack of games when it arguably has more exclusives (or possibly more diverse exclusives) then it's competition.

I can count 10 worthy exclusives on Wii U. I can only name 2-3 for PS4 or Xbone. As someone who's pretty much wholly embraced PC as the platform for hardcore gaming (Japanese or otherwise) in the past few years, I can see very little reason to own PS4/Xbone beyond the 2 Platinum Games titles in the works, where on the other hand there are quite a few interesting things on the Wii U.

I think the main reason why gamers harp on Nintendo is because of a number of reasons... not just exclusive games. Nintendo may have a number of exclusives but not all of those exclusives appeal to everyone. Nintendo needs more 3rd party support.... a more balance library of games. Sadly anyone who buys a Nintendo console usually buy it to play Nintendo games and nothing else really. I'm one of those Nintendo gamers.

Where are the fighters on the Wii U? Where are the FPS games? Where are the Racers? RPGs? The list goes on.

The issue here is lack of last generation hardware bad online features and lack of third party games. They are trailing way behind and that is the issue that gamers have with Nintendo. Why buy a Wii U when graphics, epic size of a game and online features can be done better on some other system.

Like I said before I only see 2 maybe 3 games I'd be picking up on the Wii U and that's not going to cut it for me for the entire year.

Also just because I enjoy mainstream games that appear on other platforms does not mean I only play those games on my PS4. You asked me what I currently was playing and I listed them but there are a number of other past titles and upcoming titles I've bought a PS4 for.

The Wii U is not a balanced console. As a gamer I could never see myself just owning a Wii U.... I could however see myself just owning a PS4

[Shelcoof]

I own both and I have to say the Wii U does have a very slim library and the online features and multiplayer games are just absolutely horrible.

Yeah, not having to pay for online multiplayer is "absolutely horrible". The only game I'm playing online is Splatoon, and it works perfectly fine. The absence of chat is a feature, not a bug.

I mean damn the last Multiplayer game I bought was Devils Third and that games' online is absolutely horrible. The single player session wasn't bad but the only reason why I bought it was because there was NOTHING else available on my Wii U. If this was on any other console I would have passed on the purchase but I wanted to show support and ended up buying it.... hilarious how the game is going for double the price seeing how it was a limited available btw lol.

So, did you beat Champion Road in SM3DW, or the hard mode in DK:TF? Frankly, you talk like someone who does not even own the console.

The PS4 I could name a ton of games I'd like to pick up both single player and multiplayer.

Name them (former PS4 owner speaking here).

Dude sounds like your really taking my opinions really personal here.

If you enjoy the online on the Wii U great.
I have no issues paying for PS Plus. I get my moneys worth every month with free games. It sort of pays for itself to be honest. I've gotten tons of free games which some of them I would have paid if it wasn't for PS plus.

If people are too cheap or and don't want to pay they can always game on the PS3 which is still free btw. Still lots of great multiplayer games on there like Fat Princess and a number of fighters like Marvel 2, Third Strike etc.

Regarding Splatoon I have no idea how you can play a team competitive game and not have voice chat implemented..... that to me does not make any sense. But if your good with that then whatever.......

Also whats this about beaing championship road and playing hardmode in Donkey Kong? What are you trying to point out? I play games however I want to play it.... you should make your point a bit clearer here as I'm a bit confused where your trying to get at.

Games on the PS4 are what I like.... its my preference so there is no real point listing them out for you.

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Sadly anyone who buys a Nintendo console usually buy it to play Nintendo games and nothing else really. I'm one of those Nintendo gamers.

What's sad about it? Putting a game out on a Nintendo console must be an incredibly humbling experience for third-parties, because the games industry routinely puts out an unpolished mess. I take a highly polished Nintendo gem over some hyped up "must play" AAA game any time.

Where are the fighters on the Wii U? Where are the FPS games? Where are the Racers? RPGs? The list goes on.

Splatoon, Smash, Mario Kart, Xenoblade Chronicles X. Again, if you need quantity instead of quality, Nintendo isn't going to deliver. Speaking for myself: I have sunk more hours into Splatoon than all FPS games I played before that combined.

The issue here is lack of last generation hardware bad online features and lack of third party games. They are trailing way behind and that is the issue that gamers have with Nintendo. Why buy a Wii U when graphics, epic size of a game and online features can be done better on some other system.

I haven't seen a single PS3 or X360 games that had as good lighting than any of the Nintendo games. Also, games running in 60fps were a very rare sight on the previous generation, while it is standard for Nintendo games. Lastly, Nintendo does one thing better than anybody else in the industry: pure, unadulterated fun.

Like I said before I only see 2 maybe 3 games I'd be picking up on the Wii U and that's not going to cut it for me for the entire year.

You're after quantity instead of quality, obviously. I spent most of my time-budget on games last year on just three games: Splatoon, Super Mario 3D World, and DK: TF, and I'm not even remotely done with any of them. In fact, they quite possibly will carry me through 2016 as well, while my modest Wii U backlog will grow a little bit.

The Wii U is not a balanced console. As a gamer I could never see myself just owning a Wii U.... I could however see myself just owning a PS4

Do you own a PC? If you own a PC, there is precious little reason to pick up an Xbone or a PS4, while Nintendo games are only on Nintendo consoles.

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The PS4 I could name a ton of games I'd like to pick up both single player and multiplayer.

Name just a handful, and I'd be content.

If you enjoy the online on the Wii U great.
I have no issues paying for PS Plus. I get my moneys worth every month with free games. It sort of pays for itself to be honest. I've gotten tons of free games which some of them I would have paid if it wasn't for PS plus.

Quantity over quality, again. I just see nothing on PS4 that can compete with the polished, 60fps, fun, experience Nintendo provides, which is precisely why I sold that console after playing through The Witcher 3.

If people are too cheap or and don't want to pay they can always game on the PS3 which is still free btw. Still lots of great multiplayer games on there like Fat Princess and a number of fighters like Marvel 2, Third Strike etc.

I rather play on PC, because what you pay for playing online on Xbone or PS4 over the years amounts already to a pretty decent PC that leaves the PS4 in the dust performance-wise (pick an i3 and a Geforce 750 Ti).

Also whats this about beaing championship road and playing hardmode in Donkey Kong? What are you trying to point out? I play games however I want to play it.... you should make your point a bit clearer here as I'm a bit confused where your trying to get at.

I'm pointing this out because if you even own a Nintendo console, you are only scratching the surface of those games. If you really wanted to beat SM3DW, it would take you a pretty long time. In fact, I'm tempted to say that that game and DK:TF is enough to easily fill an entire year (at least) of playing time of an adult with a job and some other hobbies.

Games on the PS4 are what I like.... its my preference so there is no real point listing them out for you.

Basically anything the PS4 does, a PC does better.

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Regarding Splatoon I have no idea how you can play a team competitive game and not have voice chat implemented..... that to me does not make any sense. But if your good with that then whatever.......

Have you actually played Splatoon or do you just think it's "like CoD with paint"?

[Shelcoof]

Sadly anyone who buys a Nintendo console usually buy it to play Nintendo games and nothing else really. I'm one of those Nintendo gamers.

What's sad about it? Putting a game out on a Nintendo console must be an incredibly humbling experience for third-parties, because the games industry routinely puts out an unpolished mess. I take a highly polished Nintendo gem over some hyped up "must play" AAA game any time.

Where are the fighters on the Wii U? Where are the FPS games? Where are the Racers? RPGs? The list goes on.

Splatoon, Smash, Mario Kart, Xenoblade Chronicles X. Again, if you need quantity instead of quality, Nintendo isn't going to deliver. Speaking for myself: I have sunk more hours into Splatoon than all FPS games I played before that combined.

The issue here is lack of last generation hardware bad online features and lack of third party games. They are trailing way behind and that is the issue that gamers have with Nintendo. Why buy a Wii U when graphics, epic size of a game and online features can be done better on some other system.

I haven't seen a single PS3 or X360 games that had as good lighting than any of the Nintendo games. Also, games running in 60fps were a very rare sight on the previous generation, while it is standard for Nintendo games. Lastly, Nintendo does one thing better than anybody else in the industry: pure, unadulterated fun.

Like I said before I only see 2 maybe 3 games I'd be picking up on the Wii U and that's not going to cut it for me for the entire year.

You're after quantity instead of quality, obviously. I spent most of my time-budget on games last year on just three games: Splatoon, Super Mario 3D World, and DK: TF, and I'm not even remotely done with any of them. In fact, they quite possibly will carry me through 2016 as well, while my modest Wii U backlog will grow a little bit.

The Wii U is not a balanced console. As a gamer I could never see myself just owning a Wii U.... I could however see myself just owning a PS4

Do you own a PC? If you own a PC, there is precious little reason to pick up an Xbone or a PS4, while Nintendo games are only on Nintendo consoles.

Quality over quantity is not the issue here. The issue here is the number of games a player can choose from. What if you don't like Mario Kart or Smash or Splatoon? Your pretty much screwed over.

Personally dislike Splatoon and Mario Kart 8... I actually feel Mod Nations on the PS3 is a way better game. Then again that's just my preference.

And not every single game Nintendo Publishes is a gem. Look at Devil's Third... Metriod Other M and that really disappointing Wii U Mario Tennis game. I actually can go on and on but I'll end the list there for now.

And the reason why third parties put unpolished crap on Nintendo's console is because the hardware is dated..... Nintendo doesn't really give them anything to work with.

If you enjoy the "lighting" on your Nintendo console that's great. Though that's a subjective opinion. But if we compare hardware specs then it is a different story altogether.

If your happy with 2 to 3 games a year that's good for you but a lot of gamers I know can beat a game in a few days and are still hungry to play more.

You have to understand that gamers want a console for whatever reason they want to own one for. Just because I own a PC doesn't mean I don't want to game on my PS4. People wonder all the time why gamers enjoy playing on an actual retro console like an NES or SNES or Genesis/Mega Drive on a Tube TV over emulation on a PC. Their reason is because they want to even though emulation is easily available.

This goes back to the Wii U being an unbalanced system. Gamers want features and games the Wii U does not offer.

[Shelcoof]

The PS4 I could name a ton of games I'd like to pick up both single player and multiplayer.

Name just a handful, and I'd be content.

If you enjoy the online on the Wii U great.
I have no issues paying for PS Plus. I get my moneys worth every month with free games. It sort of pays for itself to be honest. I've gotten tons of free games which some of them I would have paid if it wasn't for PS plus.

Quantity over quality, again. I just see nothing on PS4 that can compete with the polished, 60fps, fun, experience Nintendo provides, which is precisely why I sold that console after playing through The Witcher 3.

If people are too cheap or and don't want to pay they can always game on the PS3 which is still free btw. Still lots of great multiplayer games on there like Fat Princess and a number of fighters like Marvel 2, Third Strike etc.

I rather play on PC, because what you pay for playing online on Xbone or PS4 over the years amounts already to a pretty decent PC that leaves the PS4 in the dust performance-wise (pick an i3 and a Geforce 750 Ti).

Also whats this about beaing championship road and playing hardmode in Donkey Kong? What are you trying to point out? I play games however I want to play it.... you should make your point a bit clearer here as I'm a bit confused where your trying to get at.

I'm pointing this out because if you even own a Nintendo console, you are only scratching the surface of those games. If you really wanted to beat SM3DW, it would take you a pretty long time. In fact, I'm tempted to say that that game and DK:TF is enough to easily fill an entire year (at least) of playing time of an adult with a job and some other hobbies.

Games on the PS4 are what I like.... its my preference so there is no real point listing them out for you.

Basically anything the PS4 does, a PC does better.

Regarding Splatoon I have no idea how you can play a team competitive game and not have voice chat implemented..... that to me does not make any sense. But if your good with that then whatever.......

Have you actually played Splatoon or do you just think it's "like CoD with paint"?

Like I said regarding listing PS4 games I could name them but I won't. Your a former PS4 owner so you already know what is available What I like isn't going to change what you like.

As for this whole myth about Quality games and 60fps on Nintendo Consoles... that's not true at all. Just because a game has a high frame rate doesn't make it a good game. I mean look at Xenoblades on the Wii U that game barely hits 30fps and its struggles hard. If the hardware was better you bet the experience would be better too. I could even think of past generations where Nintendo published games that barely hit 30fps.

Also you have to understand not every gamer is the same not everyone wants to 100% a game or play it at its hardest mode. Just because I don't "scratch" the surface of whatever titles your listing doesn't make me less of a gamer than you.. it just means I'm a "different" gamer.

Saying anything the PS4 does the PC does better is untrue. There are a lot of benefits the PS4 has over PC if what you said was true then no one would be gaming on the PS4 and everyone would be gaming on PC..... but that is not the case is it.

[Squire Grooktook]

I think the main reason why gamers harp on Nintendo is because of a number of reasons... not just exclusive games. Nintendo may have a number of exclusives but not all of those exclusives appeal to everyone.

You could say that far more about every console though. As I see it, PS4 and Xbone don't appeal to much outside of AAA Western Kusoge Movie Gamers, and that rare dying breed of hardcore gamers who haven't yet realized that they could own almost all the worthwhile games on Ps4 for much cheaper if they just got them on PC.

are the fighters on the Wii U? Where are the FPS games? Where are the Racers? RPGs? The list goes on.

Again, the same could be said about the others consoles.

What good rpg's are on PS4? I suppose "good" might vary for many, but unless I'm missing any, Bloodborne is all I"m personally counting so far. And that may not even count as an rpg.

Meanwhile Wii U at least has XenoBlade.

Fighters? The other two consoles don't have anything except two fighters: SF5 and Guilty Gear. Both are inferior sequels to classic games. As far as I'm concerned, none of the 3 new consoles have any fighters worth playing. That's for PC. Although Wii U DOES have Smash 4, even if it's inferior to Melee. It's at least an online Smash Bros which is at least playable (unlike Brawl). That's gotta count for something. *edit* thinking about it more, Sf5 isn't exclusive to ps4 either, as it's again already on pc.


But where are the rpg's/shmups/character-action/platformers games on PS4 or Xbone that I couldn't already buy on pc?

The issue here is the number of games a player can choose from. What if you don't like Mario Kart or Smash or Splatoon? Your pretty much screwed over.

What you say negative about Wii U, I say far moreso about PS4/Xbone.

What if I don't like Black Ops or GTA IV? What i I already own both those games and Rocket Leauge and Telsagrad on PC?

I got a PS4 right now, and outside of Bloodborne, there's not a damn thing on here at the moment that I appeals to me that I couldn't get for cheaper on a PC. I am effectively screwed with the PS4.

I can name at least 10 games on Wii U that I want and that are exclusive, all of very different genres for a lot of variety (a fighter, a horror game, an adventure game, two character action games, a 3rd person multiplayer shooter, etc.). I can name 4 on PS4 (two of which are upcoming remakes of previous generation games), and 1 on Xbone.

[evil_ash_xero]

I just think Wii U has a really tiny library.

If Nintendo keep going this route, I can't see them making home consoles for much longer.

I have a Wii U. I got it, for the Platinum games. It's not overflowing with games. But the worst thing is, there aren't going to be many more coming out.
Even games that could be on the Wii U (MGS V, Odin Sphere), aren't. It has no third part support, at all.

[Squire Grooktook]

I just think Wii U has a really tiny library.

And PS4 has an infinitesimal library if you're not into movie games or already own a pc. Xbone does not have a library at all. It just has Scalebound.

[evil_ash_xero]

Well, I'll agree that Wii U probably has better exclusives, up to this point. But the system is already almost out the door, while PS4 is just starting.

Not a good investment.

I buy Japanese games, for the most part. And for PS4, I have Evil Within, Bloodborne, Metal Gear Solid V, and Odin Sphere.
This year, there's going to be Street Fighter V, Dark Souls III, Nier Automata, The Last Guardian, and others. And on the horizion, you have stuff like Dragon Quest XI. FROM supposedly have 2 upcoming exclusives, for the system.

So, just be patient. The Wii U doesn't have any third party support...but the short life cycle makes it even worse.

The NX will be out, before the PS4 is at the halfway mark.
Both the PS2 and PS3 were made fun of for having slim libraries, at launch. But they're packed with games, after a while.

[Squire Grooktook]

I guess "it's dying too soon" is a valid argument, if it turns out to be true.


For me, Bloodborne, Odin Sphere, and Nier are the only must haves exclusives among what you listed.

I'd rather be playing Fatal Frame 5 over Evil Within, or Skullgirls over Sf5. I was never big into MGS, but MGS5 intrigued me for a bit...but I'd rather have it on Steam.

Dark Souls 3 on pc too, though I might get in on ps4 for convenience anyway.

Dragon Quest isn't that exciting to me, it and FF haven't been that interesting in a while. If Falcom was whipping up something, I'd change my mind though.


I play mostly JP games too, but PC and Wii U are much better for that IMO. All the best commercial shmup devs have moved over to PC as of last year, alongside all the doujin developers who were already there and have been one-upping them for years. Falcom has their best jrpg's on PC (which are among the best rpg's of all time IMO), The Tales of Series is coming to PC, the bigger JP developed games like FromSoft games are there...Platinum Games is there to an extent...etc.

[Shelcoof]

I think the main reason why gamers harp on Nintendo is because of a number of reasons... not just exclusive games. Nintendo may have a number of exclusives but not all of those exclusives appeal to everyone.

You could say that far more about every console though. As I see it, PS4 and Xbone don't appeal to much outside of AAA Western Kusoge Movie Gamers, and that rare dying breed of hardcore gamers who haven't yet realized that they could own almost all the worthwhile games on Ps4 for much cheaper if they just got them on PC.

are the fighters on the Wii U? Where are the FPS games? Where are the Racers? RPGs? The list goes on.

Again, the same could be said about the others consoles.

What good rpg's are on PS4? I suppose "good" might vary for many, but unless I'm missing any, Bloodborne is all I"m personally counting so far. And that may not even count as an rpg.

Meanwhile Wii U at least has XenoBlade.

Fighters? The other two consoles don't have anything except two fighters: SF5 and Guilty Gear. Both are inferior sequels to classic games. As far as I'm concerned, none of the 3 new consoles have any fighters worth playing. That's for PC. Although Wii U DOES have Smash 4, even if it's inferior to Melee. It's at least an online Smash Bros which is at least playable (unlike Brawl). That's gotta count for something. *edit* thinking about it more, Sf5 isn't exclusive to ps4 either, as it's again already on pc.


But where are the rpg's/shmups/character-action games on PS4 or Xbone?

The issue here is the number of games a player can choose from. What if you don't like Mario Kart or Smash or Splatoon? Your pretty much screwed over.

What you say negative about Wii U, I say far moreso about PS4/Xbone.

What if I don't like Black Ops or GTA IV? What i I already own both those games and Rocket Leauge and Telsagrad on PC?

I got a PS4 right now, and outside of Bloodborne, there's not a damn thing on here at the moment that I appeals to me that I couldn't get for cheaper on a PC. I am effectively screwed with the PS4.

I can name at least 10 games on Wii U that I want and that are exclusive, all of very different genres for a lot of variety (a fighter, a horror game, an adventure game, two character action games, a 3rd person multiplayer shooter, etc.). I can name 4 on PS4 (two of which are upcoming remakes of previous generation games), and 1 on Xbone.

If you don't like the majority of games available on a system I can understand but at least having a ton of choices is better than having very few choices.

The PS4 does have a diverse variety of games currently over the Wii U and not only that it also has a much larger number of future releases over the Wii U as well. That includes fighters and RPGs as well not just Western FPS Action games.

The fact that the PS4 library is very vast compared to the Wii U the chances of at least finding enjoyable games to play on the PS4 is a lot higher than finding something on the Wii U.

[Squire Grooktook]

If you don't like the majority of games available on a system I can understand but at least having a ton of choices is better than having very few choices.

The PS4 does have a diverse variety of games currently over the Wii U and not only that it also has a much larger number of future releases over the Wii U as well. That includes fighters and RPGs as well not just Western FPS Action games.

I could accept that if somebody could name them for me. PC Multi-platform titles not included. Nintendo has always sucked in terms of third party, but as someone who stuck mostly with ps2 and ps3 last few generations, this is the worst I've ever seen that console (and the xbone) go in terms of exclusives.

[Shelcoof]

If you don't like the majority of games available on a system I can understand but at least having a ton of choices is better than having very few choices.

The PS4 does have a diverse variety of games currently over the Wii U and not only that it also has a much larger number of future releases over the Wii U as well. That includes fighters and RPGs as well not just Western FPS Action games.

I could accept that if somebody could name them for me. PC Multi-platform titles not included. Nintendo has always sucked in terms of third party, but as someone who stuck mostly with ps2 and ps3 last few generations, this is the worst I've ever seen that console (and the xbone) go in terms of exclusives.

I don't see a point in excluding titles that are found elsewhere. Just because its available for PC doesn't mean I wouldn't want to play it on PS4. You mentioned earlier you wanted Odin Sphere I got that pre-ordered for the Vita. I'd rather much play it on the Vita over the PS4 any day. Just like how I'd rather play games available for both PC and PS4 on the PS4.

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Quality over quantity is not the issue here. The issue here is the number of games a player can choose from. What if you don't like Mario Kart or Smash or Splatoon? Your pretty much screwed over.

True, if you don't like fun games, you're pretty much fucked if you buy a Nintendo console.

And the reason why third parties put unpolished crap on Nintendo's console is because the hardware is dated..... Nintendo doesn't really give them anything to work with.

A game being fun does not depend on hardware specs, which is why, for instance, there is now significant interest in the upcoming re-releases of the first Pokemon games for the 3DS Virtual Console.

If you enjoy the "lighting" on your Nintendo console that's great. Though that's a subjective opinion. But if we compare hardware specs then it is a different story altogether.

No, objectively the lighting is better. This would require a modest background in mathematics/computer science/computer graphics to understand, which I doubt you have.

If your happy with 2 to 3 games a year that's good for you but a lot of gamers I know can beat a game in a few days and are still hungry to play more.

You claimed that you only play Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong. Why don't you show all of us what great player you are by posting the status screen of your save file. If you were Panga, I'd believe you if you said that you manage to 100% Super Mario 3D World in a couple of days. The average gamer is far from it.

You have to understand that gamers want a console for whatever reason they want to own one for. Just because I own a PC doesn't mean I don't want to game on my PS4. People wonder all the time why gamers enjoy playing on an actual retro console like an NES or SNES or Genesis/Mega Drive on a Tube TV over emulation on a PC. Their reason is because they want to even though emulation is easily available.

This is getting silly. The big problem with emulation is input lag, while the PC vs PS4 issue is that a PC gives you better textures, higher frame rates, higher resolution, modding options, free online multiplayer, better prices than PS4. You can still prefer playing on PS4, but it's just not a rational choice at this point. Yeah, I know that Bloodborne isn't on PC, and neither are the two or three other exclusives, whatever they are.

This goes back to the Wii U being an unbalanced system. Gamers want features and games the Wii U does not offer.

Nintendo caters to "core gamers", and they are perfectly content with the system.

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Like I said regarding listing PS4 games I could name them but I won't. Your a former PS4 owner so you already know what is available What I like isn't going to change what you like.

Yes, I'm a former PS4 owner, and I sold the console because there was nothing on the system I couldn't get anywhere else. Your evasion is ridiculous. List 5 games that I should play on PS4, please. It essentially boils down to Bloodborne, but the Souls experience you can get on PC at a much higher quality.

As for this whole myth about Quality games and 60fps on Nintendo Consoles... that's not true at all. Just because a game has a high frame rate doesn't make it a good game. I mean look at Xenoblades on the Wii U that game barely hits 30fps and its struggles hard. If the hardware was better you bet the experience would be better too. I could even think of past generations where Nintendo published games that barely hit 30fps.

Logic isn't your strong suit, it seems. Ceteris paribus, I prefer 60 fps over 30 fps. Case in point: The Witcher 3 or Evil Within, which I both played on PS4. The framerate is atrocious, and the games suffer.

Also you have to understand not every gamer is the same not everyone wants to 100% a game or play it at its hardest mode. Just because I don't "scratch" the surface of whatever titles your listing doesn't make me less of a gamer than you.. it just means I'm a "different" gamer.

Yes, you're a gamer who values quantity over quality and is unable to dig into games properly.

Saying anything the PS4 does the PC does better is untrue. There are a lot of benefits the PS4 has over PC if what you said was true then no one would be gaming on the PS4 and everyone would be gaming on PC..... but that is not the case is it.

There are many reasons why people prefer a PS4 over PC: lack of money, lack of information, inability to build your own machine etc. The benefit is convenience, but even that is doubtful, considering Steam's big picture mode. Having a nicer case is a benefit I admit, since I much rather preferred the look of my "glacier white" PS4 than my PC case, but even on that front things are changing.

[Squire Grooktook]

If you don't like the majority of games available on a system I can understand but at least having a ton of choices is better than having very few choices.

The PS4 does have a diverse variety of games currently over the Wii U and not only that it also has a much larger number of future releases over the Wii U as well. That includes fighters and RPGs as well not just Western FPS Action games.

I could accept that if somebody could name them for me. PC Multi-platform titles not included. Nintendo has always sucked in terms of third party, but as someone who stuck mostly with ps2 and ps3 last few generations, this is the worst I've ever seen that console (and the xbone) go in terms of exclusives.

I don't see a point in excluding titles that are found elsewhere. Just because its available for PC doesn't mean I wouldn't want to play it on PS4.

It matters to me because I'm a primarily PC based gamer (or have been for about 5 or so years now). Whenever anybody tells me that the ps4 has such a fantastic and diverse library, the list they give me is almost always composed 90% of games I already own and enjoy on Steam. If you're a pc gamer, then there's only like 4 games to be impressed about on PS4. The same isn't true of Wii U, where as I said I can name at least 10 exclusive games of completely different genres and styles that I'd be interested in. This is the main reason I'm happy with the Wii U and unhappy with the PS4.

For example, Phantasy Star Online 2 headed to PS4? Man, that would be a great killer app on the ps4 for me to go alongside Bloodborne. Fast paced skill based combat, great multiplayer, epic boss fights, gorgeous ost (well, for the boss fights at least)...too bad I've already played it for 700 hours on PC.

[Shelcoof]

Quality over quantity is not the issue here. The issue here is the number of games a player can choose from. What if you don't like Mario Kart or Smash or Splatoon? Your pretty much screwed over.

True, if you don't like fun games, you're pretty much fucked if you buy a Nintendo console.

And the reason why third parties put unpolished crap on Nintendo's console is because the hardware is dated..... Nintendo doesn't really give them anything to work with.

A game being fun does not depend on hardware specs, which is why, for instance, there is now significant interest in the upcoming re-releases of the first Pokemon games for the 3DS Virtual Console.

If you enjoy the "lighting" on your Nintendo console that's great. Though that's a subjective opinion. But if we compare hardware specs then it is a different story altogether.

No, objectively the lighting is better. This would require a modest background in mathematics/computer science/computer graphics to understand, which I doubt you have.

If your happy with 2 to 3 games a year that's good for you but a lot of gamers I know can beat a game in a few days and are still hungry to play more.

You claimed that you only play Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong. Why don't you show all of us what great player you are by posting the status screen of your save file. If you were Panga, I'd believe you if you said that you manage to 100% Super Mario 3D World in a couple of days. The average gamer is far from it.

You have to understand that gamers want a console for whatever reason they want to own one for. Just because I own a PC doesn't mean I don't want to game on my PS4. People wonder all the time why gamers enjoy playing on an actual retro console like an NES or SNES or Genesis/Mega Drive on a Tube TV over emulation on a PC. Their reason is because they want to even though emulation is easily available.

This is getting silly. The big problem with emulation is input lag, while the PC vs PS4 issue is that a PC gives you better textures, higher frame rates, higher resolution, modding options, free online multiplayer, better prices than PS4. You can still prefer playing on PS4, but it's just not a rational choice at this point. Yeah, I know that Bloodborne isn't on PC, and neither are the two or three other exclusives, whatever they are.

This goes back to the Wii U being an unbalanced system. Gamers want features and games the Wii U does not offer.

Nintendo caters to "core gamers", and they are perfectly content with the system.

Fun is soo subjective..... What I find fun may not be what you would call fun.

Hardware limitations limits what the developers can create on a specific platform. That can affect the experience gamers have with a game. Can limit the amount of "fun" a game can experiences. That said it all depends on what type of game it is.

lol just pull the hardware specs on both consoles and they'll do all the talking on my end I don't need to be a math genius to know which console is capable of what now.

If you read correctly I wrote I bought Nintendo consoles for certain titles I've listed. I never said once I was a "great" player or I can complete the game in set amount of time. Like I said before I play games however I want I don't need you to tell me how I should enjoy my games. Just because you like to play a certain way does not mean I have to follow in your footsteps to form an opinion.

Also the problem you listed maybe the problem for you but I know many people out there who prefer to play retro games on retro consoles. They don't care at all what the PC can do or if there is input lag if it is not on the original console they don't want to play it period.

Honestly don't think you know who Nintendo really caters to. If they were really content with the system then why the release of the NX?

[evil_ash_xero]

If you don't like the majority of games available on a system I can understand but at least having a ton of choices is better than having very few choices.

The PS4 does have a diverse variety of games currently over the Wii U and not only that it also has a much larger number of future releases over the Wii U as well. That includes fighters and RPGs as well not just Western FPS Action games.

I could accept that if somebody could name them for me. PC Multi-platform titles not included. Nintendo has always sucked in terms of third party, but as someone who stuck mostly with ps2 and ps3 last few generations, this is the worst I've ever seen that console (and the xbone) go in terms of exclusives.

I'm old and whatnot, so I remember the NES and SNES days. I have always wondered why the hell Nintendo hasn't gone for more third party support. Their systems used to have everything.

[waiwainl]

Just bought the Wii U specifically for Xenoblade CX. I am now just 4 hours into the game (probably 100+ to go) and really like it!

Nothing beats walking alongside humongous creatures. Quite refreshing to mix it with shumpping.

[Bonus!]

I know many people out there who prefer to play retro games on retro consoles. They don't care at all what the PC can do or if there is input lag if it is not on the original console they don't want to play it period.

Honestly don't think you know who Nintendo really caters to. If they were really content with the system then why the release of the NX?

I'm still waiting for the must-have list of PS4 games.

re. Lighting: yes, pull up the specs of PS3/X360/Wii U, and look at screenshots. Wii U is a much more powerful system.

re. input lag/PC: you seem to confuse a few things. Playing, eg., and SNES game on a SNES emulator on PC entails input lag. On the other hand, playing a competently ported game on PC should not add additional lag. Objectively speaking (!) there is no reason why a PC version of a game that is also on PS4 should not be leaps and bounds better. Just look at The Witcher 3 on PC vs PS4. It's basically like the leap to a whole 'nother generation.

re. NX: different issue altogether; Nintendo does a hardware cycle of about 4 to 5 years; the Wii U, which was released in 2012, may not have done as well as Nintendo may have hoped, but they still make money with it.

[Squire Grooktook]

If you don't like the majority of games available on a system I can understand but at least having a ton of choices is better than having very few choices.

The PS4 does have a diverse variety of games currently over the Wii U and not only that it also has a much larger number of future releases over the Wii U as well. That includes fighters and RPGs as well not just Western FPS Action games.

I could accept that if somebody could name them for me. PC Multi-platform titles not included. Nintendo has always sucked in terms of third party, but as someone who stuck mostly with ps2 and ps3 last few generations, this is the worst I've ever seen that console (and the xbone) go in terms of exclusives.

I'm old and whatnot, so I remember the NES and SNES days. I have always wondered why the hell Nintendo hasn't gone for more third party support. Their systems used to have everything.

I own a Nes/Snes/Genesis as well, and grew up playing them. I don't really mind the third party issue. It's been like this since the turn of the millennium, with interesting titles split between 3 consoles rather then 2. I'm fine with it, and have owned roughly the same amount of games for each consoles in each console generation since (although PS2 kind of has the crown).

But I feel like all 3 consoles are slipping lately, while PC is slowly absorbing the developers who are worthwhile.

Nintendo is at least putting up something of a fight though by grabbing developers like Platinum, Monolith Soft, etc. If Falcom joins FromSoft on PS4, maybe I'll change my mind about the console though.

[Shelcoof]

Like I said regarding listing PS4 games I could name them but I won't. Your a former PS4 owner so you already know what is available What I like isn't going to change what you like.

Yes, I'm a former PS4 owner, and I sold the console because there was nothing on the system I couldn't get anywhere else. Your evasion is ridiculous. List 5 games that I should play on PS4, please. It essentially boils down to Bloodborne, but the Souls experience you can get on PC at a much higher quality.

As for this whole myth about Quality games and 60fps on Nintendo Consoles... that's not true at all. Just because a game has a high frame rate doesn't make it a good game. I mean look at Xenoblades on the Wii U that game barely hits 30fps and its struggles hard. If the hardware was better you bet the experience would be better too. I could even think of past generations where Nintendo published games that barely hit 30fps.

Logic isn't your strong suit, it seems. Ceteris paribus, I prefer 60 fps over 30 fps. Case in point: The Witcher 3 or Evil Within, which I both played on PS4. The framerate is atrocious, and the games suffer.

Also you have to understand not every gamer is the same not everyone wants to 100% a game or play it at its hardest mode. Just because I don't "scratch" the surface of whatever titles your listing doesn't make me less of a gamer than you.. it just means I'm a "different" gamer.

Yes, you're a gamer who values quantity over quality and is unable to dig into games properly.

Saying anything the PS4 does the PC does better is untrue. There are a lot of benefits the PS4 has over PC if what you said was true then no one would be gaming on the PS4 and everyone would be gaming on PC..... but that is not the case is it.

There are many reasons why people prefer a PS4 over PC: lack of money, lack of information, inability to build your own machine etc. The benefit is convenience, but even that is doubtful, considering Steam's big picture mode. Having a nicer case is a benefit I admit, since I much rather preferred the look of my "glacier white" PS4 than my PC case, but even on that front things are changing.

I find it hilarious your asking me to list you games on the PS4 when I already told you twice I wasn't going to. If you really wanted to find 5 games you would have done it yourself. I know regardless of what I list you won't change your mind.... its already set... I'm not going to play your little game here.

Logic is not my strong point? Taking this a little personal I see..

Yes, you're a gamer who values quantity over quality and is unable to dig into games properly.

You know nothing about what I value in games.... and me unable to dig into games "properly"
Maybe you should write a guide on how to "properly" play games.... I'm' sure you'll get a ton of responses

Its hilarious how much your disrespecting PS4 users just because their reasoning is different than yours. You have that PC master race mentality. I'm surprised your even on here posting to begin with.

I find it hilarious that your asking me to prove myself by telling me to compile you a list, post my screen stats and telling me how to properly play my games.

I think I've had it with you and will ignore you from now on... this is just silly

[Bonus!]

I find it hilarious your asking me to list you games on the PS4 when I already told you twice I wasn't going to. If you really wanted to find 5 games you would have done it yourself.

That's exactly the point. I sold my PS4 because I could not find a sufficiently large number of exclusive games. If you look at top X games on PS4 lists, you'll notice that they are mostly games you can get on PC as well, which is not true with the Wii U.

Case in point:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015- ... -2015-3689
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015- ... games-3691

[Shelcoof]

Nintendo use to have everything when Nintendo and Sega were the only boys in town. Times have changed since the Playstation hit the market. It got even worse when Microsoft came in.

It was when Nintendo announced specs of the N64 that Nintendo started losing support. The expensive Cart for the 64 compared to the cheaper Playstation CDs not to mention the announcement of Final Fantasy VII for the Playstation..... that was huge.

But back then gaming was totally different I love the N64. SNES and the Genesis back in the days were golden. SNES of course getting the better end of the stick with multi platform releases due to better hardware.

I disagree with your statement that all three consoles are slipping. The PS4 and Xbone are getting releases even before PC. We see it with a ton of mainstream games. GTAV, Titan Fall and several others I'm sure.

Consoles are doing very well right now.... except for Nintendo.

I dunno I'm a bit worried about the details of the NX being digital only and the stuff I've read about Nintendo possibly focusing on smart phone type games scares me too.

The way I see it is that technology is evolving to the point where it wouldn't matter what console a game is made for. We're already seeing that with PC, PS4 and XBox One... there's barely a difference between them all.

[Bonus!]

Nintendo is making money with the Wii U, while M$ is losing money with the Xbone. The latter is doing so fantastically well that Microsoft is no longer even sharing sales figures (http://www.geek.com/games/microsoft-dec ... e-1637833/). It's quite amusing that they sold less than 100 consoles in Japan last week.