So I decided to try and get in to Shmups and found Blue Wish Resurrection. I downloaded both versions and BWR works fine, 60 FPS all the way. But BWR+ drops frames all the time, going down to around 14 when there are alot of items, bullets and explosions on the screen at the same time. Is it supposed to do that? It also seems like the plus version has more ships with Eden and Peace or can you unlock them in non plus version?
Sorry for these nooby questions...
BWR or BWR+
Re: BWR or BWR+
Hey BeardTaffy and welcome to the forum. I havent played BWR in a long time, but I remember there being an option in the option menu to turn Wait on and off. (Turning on and off Slowdown.).
Try and see if that helps
Try and see if that helps
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BulletMagnet
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Re: BWR or BWR+
I'm pretty sure Peace and Eden are in "regular" BWR - as for the slowdown problems, try playing the game in a window instead of fullscreen (assuming you're not doing so already).
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BeardTaffy
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Re: BWR or BWR+
I've tried both suggestions at the same time. While it improved a bit, the plus version drops down to around 30 fps with alot of explosions, while spawning items and when i use Blue Wish's spread laser. While on the other hand the other version runs fine, I mean at a stable 60 FPS.
I'm running a ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5470 GPU on this laptop with 4 gigs of ram. But I don't see how that could be a problem when the graphical fidelity of the two versions of the game are very similar.
But I guess I'll stick to the vanilla version than.
I'm running a ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5470 GPU on this laptop with 4 gigs of ram. But I don't see how that could be a problem when the graphical fidelity of the two versions of the game are very similar.
But I guess I'll stick to the vanilla version than.
Re: BWR or BWR+
BWR+ is intended to slow down on purpose, at least with Wait set to on. Although on my previous laptop, a Lenovo Y560p, it would slow down even with Wait set to off.
Personally, I prefer Plus, if only because it's more score-crazy than vanilla BWR and has "extend every" rather than "extend twice only, ever".
Personally, I prefer Plus, if only because it's more score-crazy than vanilla BWR and has "extend every" rather than "extend twice only, ever".
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Chaos Phoenixma
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Re: BWR or BWR+
You had to unlock the 2 other ships in original BWR. IIRC it involved 1ccing some of the modes or with different ships. I don't remember if doing the thing to unlock the TLB for practice would also unlock the ships, but if not then Heaven 1cc isn't too bad.
BWR+ also lets you play Accel on Heaven or Hell Mode as well, while the original BWR had Accel as for Original Mode(it was a seperate difficulty with double bullet speed based on Original, while you can apply the double bullet speed to any mode in +).
Patterns in the + version tend to be harder than the original version with wait off since there's more enemies or certain patterns getting changed up. This is generally balanced out by the Wait if it's on, so it still ends up being easier(I 1cc'd it without learning much of the patterns due to Wait)
Every Extend is definitely nice too. Gives you an incentive to keep actually score because more lives equals more clear bonus as well as longer credit. In BWR, you can pretty much ignore score and should be able to still get the extends. Of course, you could opt to score anyway if you know what you're doing.
BWR+ requires a no death run of Hell to get the TLB instead of the 1cc from the original game. Similar to Futari BL God and 1.5/1.01 Ultra, the No Miss requirement is still easier than a 1cc of the harder mode.
BWR+ has more stuff to reveal for the stage 3 secret extend, so more scoring from that. It's also not as important due to the every extend thing.
Both versions are pretty much worth trying. No idea why BWR+ is causing issues though. Both of them should really be working fine with that. It's been a while since I played either of those games, so maybe I'd have trouble with them as well, maybe not.
BWR+ also lets you play Accel on Heaven or Hell Mode as well, while the original BWR had Accel as for Original Mode(it was a seperate difficulty with double bullet speed based on Original, while you can apply the double bullet speed to any mode in +).
Patterns in the + version tend to be harder than the original version with wait off since there's more enemies or certain patterns getting changed up. This is generally balanced out by the Wait if it's on, so it still ends up being easier(I 1cc'd it without learning much of the patterns due to Wait)
Every Extend is definitely nice too. Gives you an incentive to keep actually score because more lives equals more clear bonus as well as longer credit. In BWR, you can pretty much ignore score and should be able to still get the extends. Of course, you could opt to score anyway if you know what you're doing.
BWR+ requires a no death run of Hell to get the TLB instead of the 1cc from the original game. Similar to Futari BL God and 1.5/1.01 Ultra, the No Miss requirement is still easier than a 1cc of the harder mode.
BWR+ has more stuff to reveal for the stage 3 secret extend, so more scoring from that. It's also not as important due to the every extend thing.
Both versions are pretty much worth trying. No idea why BWR+ is causing issues though. Both of them should really be working fine with that. It's been a while since I played either of those games, so maybe I'd have trouble with them as well, maybe not.
Re: BWR or BWR+
Just downloaded and I'm totally hooked! Loving this game!
1CC'd Heaven mode on both BWR and BWR+
Now, onto Original mode!
1CC'd Heaven mode on both BWR and BWR+
Now, onto Original mode!
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BeardTaffy
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Re: BWR or BWR+
If I may ask, how did BWR+ run compared to BWR? Are you having the same FPS problems on BWR+ or am I totally alone in this?
Re: BWR or BWR+
I'm not really the one you should ask this to, I'm a Mac user and I've first tried out with Wine and had both games capped at 30fps for some reason.
So I loaded them on my virtual machine (Windows 7, 64 bit) and they worked great, even recognized my custom stick!
So I loaded them on my virtual machine (Windows 7, 64 bit) and they worked great, even recognized my custom stick!
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Re: BWR or BWR+
Both games are capable of running on fairly old machines at max FPS, so if there is an issue it's a conflict with newer hardware. Both games have tweak options for FPS (BWR has a text file you edit, BWR Plus has an options file). Try tweaking these and the compatibility settings.
Do note that BWR Plus has an arcade style slowdown Wait mode enabled by default - when a lot is onscreen it will slowdown (the FPS will remain at 60 FPS).
Do note that BWR Plus has an arcade style slowdown Wait mode enabled by default - when a lot is onscreen it will slowdown (the FPS will remain at 60 FPS).
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SapphireDensetsu
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Re: BWR or BWR+
BWR+ has massive framedrops and slowdowns using Windows 8 or newer unless (possibly even if?) you're running it in windowed mode.
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If the FPS counter reads 60 even when the game slows down, it's running as it should. If it drops well below that, then something is indeed up with your hardware.
I'd like to think that any average-tier-by-2010's-standards brand PC can run it fine, but sometimes hardware and software don't play nice with each other, especially older software that just doesn't like newer hardware and OSes. As a similar example, Reflection (the game that would eventually be remade as RefleX) is a late 90's game, but skips frames on my $600 Win10 rig as if it's something from the 80's.
I'd like to think that any average-tier-by-2010's-standards brand PC can run it fine, but sometimes hardware and software don't play nice with each other, especially older software that just doesn't like newer hardware and OSes. As a similar example, Reflection (the game that would eventually be remade as RefleX) is a late 90's game, but skips frames on my $600 Win10 rig as if it's something from the 80's.
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Try right-clicking the executable file, Proprieties, Compatibility, set Windows XP as compatibility mode and check "run in 640x480" and see if it works.SapphireDensetsu wrote:BWR+ has massive framedrops and slowdowns using Windows 8 or newer unless (possibly even if?) you're running it in windowed mode.
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BeardTaffy
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Re: BWR or BWR+
Tried this and everything else and I still can't get it to run well.donluca wrote:Try right-clicking the executable file, Proprieties, Compatibility, set Windows XP as compatibility mode and check "run in 640x480" and see if it works.SapphireDensetsu wrote:BWR+ has massive framedrops and slowdowns using Windows 8 or newer unless (possibly even if?) you're running it in windowed mode.
Well, Vanilla BWR is pretty fun to and I'm now to sink my teeth into Original mode after doing a 1cc of Heaven.
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Original mode gets pretty intense toward the end (I'd say stage 4 and 5). I've managed to clear it with 2 credits.
Hell mode though... it's absolutely insane. I love the patterns but there's gonna be a lot of grinding to 1CC it, not sure if I'll ever get it. I might try it in BWR+ as the slowdown helps a lot.
Hell mode though... it's absolutely insane. I love the patterns but there's gonna be a lot of grinding to 1CC it, not sure if I'll ever get it. I might try it in BWR+ as the slowdown helps a lot.