Hi-DEF NES kit -Installation Review

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Hi-DEF NES kit -Installation Review

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So Jason (Gametech.us) asked me if I wanted an early kit to demo so I could check out the install and do a bit of a review on it.

I'll be adding a features review shortly, but this write-up will strictly focus on the installation from a modding standpoint.

The Hi-Def NES kit is much like the NESRGB kit in regard to installation. I'll be drawing a lot of comparisons to Tims board as it's the most relevant mod.

Hi-Def NES requires that you socket both the PPU and CPU. The CPU and PPU live in "interposers". These are boards that communicate directly to the Hi-Def NES PCB. If you struggle with de-soldering, you may want to consider sending this to a more experienced modder. Definitely take this into consideration if you installed the NESRGB board and had difficulty "cleanly" extracting the PPU.. It's double prizes here.. If you don't have a problem with de-soldering and have the proper tools, this is a pure cake walk. I can pull both chips in 3 minutes, so it shouldn't be a problem for anyone else.
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The BIG convenience with the installation is ironically, the lack of soldering required. Ribbon cables that attach to the PPU and CPU interposers make soldering I/O connections practically non-existent. Of course, the NESRGB has pads designated for the various outputs it supports. This isn't a strike against the NESRGB by any stretch of the imagination. That board caters to an eclectic variety of connectors. The Hi-DEF board gets away with this as it's standardized for HDMI. The only soldering you'll be doing will be for the sockets & headers for the CPU/PPU, and voltage & ground for the Hi-DEF NES kit. Also, this kit has it's own power circuit that replaces the power circuitry built around the 7805 on the NES. It's simply a matter of de-soldering the 7805 and soldering 2 conductors!! All that's required of the modder is to connect the ribbon cables from the PPU/CPU interposers to the 2 ribbon cable ports found on the Hi-Def NES board.
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The only real pain in the ass with installing the kit is the case-work involved for the HDMI port. Let me be clear by saying that making the HDMI port on the AV Famicom and NES top-loader is a walk in the park compared to the NES front-loader With the top loading systems, you simply have to "file down" from the half of the casing to make a nice clean port. The front-loader requires you to cut into the plastic, which makes accuracy and precision very difficult if you don't have the right tools. Jason has a template for the NES front-loader, but unfortunately it isn't very good. I've designed a new template that I've cut with a die machine that's pretty spot on. Feel free to use it. (Will be uploaded once finalized)
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Other than the case-work for the front-loader, the install is a breeze. I knock these out quicker than NESRGB installations. Kevtris really spent a lot of time keeping the modder installing these in mind.. So as I said, if you have decent de-soldering skills and know how to properly extract these chips, it's a walk in the park. The kit's pretty outstanding! Kevtris did a fine job designing the PCB for a "one size fits all". Perhaps we'll see a few mild refinements that will make case-tooling a little more forgiving. But ultimately, I'm quite pleased from a hardware standpoint. I've installed this kit into the AV Famicom, top-loading NES, and front loader. I love the first 2, and are slightly annoyed by the 3rd. Jason has a really thorough installation guide for the front-loader that covers all bases, it's a book! But honestly, I maybe looked at it for 10 seconds. The mod itself is fairly self explanatory. It's very well laid out..
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I'll be offering installation services for this kit. So if you're interested in having me install this, PM me.
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Nice! Are these the revised PCB kits that install flush with top loaders or the originals that only fit toasters and Analogue NTs correctly?
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RGB32E wrote:Nice! Are these the revised PCB kits that install flush with top loaders or the originals that only fit toasters and Analogue NTs correctly?
I was testing with the revised board that's designed to accommodate the AV/Top-Loader bottom casing. The board has two holes milled that perfectly fit over the screw bosses of those systems. The board in its current state makes for a dream install on the AV/Top-Loaders.. Unfortunately, the PCB revision that I was testing with isn't as welcoming to the front loader. Installation in the front-loader requires you to cut out one of the screw bosses in order for the PCB to properly fit.

This is a pic I snapped of my test toaster when I was playing with the front-loader installation:

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Also, here's the template that I plotted/designed in action. I cut these out with my die-cutter, it does all the hard work. It's practically perfect, but I'm going to slightly tweak it and release it for everyone to use. Even if you just have a printer, it will work great. Hopefully Jason will provide this to customers and modders who are doing a front-loader installation:

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Are they selling the kits by themselves yet?
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To be clear, Voultar is using a kit from the 1st batch. Kevtris has not yet ordered the second batch.
I got Voultar a kit so he could practice the instal, look over my instal notes, check the templates, and do a review because he will be one of the modders I refer ppl to since I won't being doing all the instals on my own.
I do plan to start a thread looking for other modders interested in being on that referral list I just haven't done it yet.
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game-tech.us wrote:To be clear, Voultar is using a kit from the 1st batch. Kevtris has not yet ordered the second batch.
I got Voultar a kit so he could practice the instal, look over my instal notes, check the templates, and do a review because he will be one of the modders I refer ppl to since I won't being doing all the instals on my own.
I do plan to start a thread looking for other modders interested in being on that referral list I just haven't done it yet.
I barely skimmed over it above, but I just wanted to add how broadly thorough the install document is for the front-loader.

It's a 28 page PDF that's filled with pictures and straight-forward instruction. Other than a few negligible typo's, Jason's done a very good job with the install document.

I was speaking to Kevtris via IRC over some of my install notes and he had already made a couple of subtle changes to address some of those annoyances with the front-loader. That's pretty exceptional.
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I spent the afternoon finalizing the template for Front-Loader installations.

There's a 1mm threshold for tolerances around the HDMI port. It's spot on.

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I'm not crazy about the rectangular cut outs. I think we should strive for the odd HDMI port shape. My first attempt. It looks better in real life.

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I've also made a template available that's beveled. It will never be perfect as the bevel on the HDMI port is concave, but it can be fairly tight. A 45° bevel gets it in the ballpark.

You may want to use this for a clean cut.

Scale the image to: Width: 2.48" Height 1.23"
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I have something in the works that will take 80% of the headache away from the casework involved in the Toaster, as well as reduce the time down to a minute or so.
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Awesome! Keep me posted.
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Very cool!

I think Kevtris should include a Frontloader template (and Toploader, Original Famicom etc..) with every install kit to make it as universal as possible once they start selling it to normal people. : )

That would be amazing.
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