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They probably don't remember.z0mbie90 wrote:How do you even get the idea of remaking Memento?
Two working class dudes, one black one white, just baked a tray of ten cookies together.
An oligarch walks in and grabs nine cookies for himself.
Then he says to the white dude "Watch out for that black dude, he wants a piece of your cookie!"
An oligarch walks in and grabs nine cookies for himself.
Then he says to the white dude "Watch out for that black dude, he wants a piece of your cookie!"
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WALL-E (2008)
I already saw the movie few years ago and need to rewatch again. Almost perfect (though not as perfect as Finding Nemo). The first 10 minutes should give an extend around 5-10m to gain Wall-E's more personality.
Also in one scene Wall-E can sit down, but which scene? I think I've missed out.
Some parts really makes me grin legitimately, i.e when Wall-E inadvertently crack the cockroach down and he's getting worried - Makes me scream 'Awww' everytime.
And there's a interesting plot holes I didn't notice (source from another forum),
But yeah I bet the kids can't take that seriously thanks to the cutie story and characters, the main chara btw is so damn cute IMO, along with the others. This makes I really want to watch Short Circuit 2, If I have a free time 
I already saw the movie few years ago and need to rewatch again. Almost perfect (though not as perfect as Finding Nemo). The first 10 minutes should give an extend around 5-10m to gain Wall-E's more personality.
Also in one scene Wall-E can sit down, but which scene? I think I've missed out.
Some parts really makes me grin legitimately, i.e when Wall-E inadvertently crack the cockroach down and he's getting worried - Makes me scream 'Awww' everytime.

And there's a interesting plot holes I didn't notice (source from another forum),
Spoiler
What happened to the rest of humanity? By the year 2105 (the year stated on the Wall-E wiki page regarding human consumerism covering the planet in garbage), The News reports the population as having plateaued at 8.4 billion people. Assuming the whole world has reached a fantastic economical state and has the funding and resources to send 8.4 billion inhabitants into outer space in ocean-liner type starships, there is nobody left on the planet after BnL has deployed the Wall-E units. 700 or so years into the future.
Why the Axiom has only one ship in the movie? If you watch the shot-off BnL's Axiom launching you can see 2-3 ships. Also is the ship can hold over 8 million people?
Another interesting fact, It said that you can sit all day and it has all of the commodities and games to accomodate your 5 year stay in space. It is made as if you had to pay (quite a large amount I would guess) to go on the Axiom's 5-year journey. I would think a lot of people would not have enough money to afford this kind of trip. Where would they go? Were they just left on Earth to die? And why we never hear anything about the other ships? (700 years, anyone)
Why the Axiom has only one ship in the movie? If you watch the shot-off BnL's Axiom launching you can see 2-3 ships. Also is the ship can hold over 8 million people?
Another interesting fact, It said that you can sit all day and it has all of the commodities and games to accomodate your 5 year stay in space. It is made as if you had to pay (quite a large amount I would guess) to go on the Axiom's 5-year journey. I would think a lot of people would not have enough money to afford this kind of trip. Where would they go? Were they just left on Earth to die? And why we never hear anything about the other ships? (700 years, anyone)

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10 Things I Hate About You: **1/2
Fairly average late 90s teen comedy loosely based on the Shakespearian play "The Taming of the Shrew," albeit with some local interest as it is ostensibly set in Seattle (or some vague amalgamation thereof) even though most of the filming locations are actually in Tacoma. It depicts Heath Ledger as he seeks to be voted "Most Likely to Try to Kill Batman" in the High School yearbook.
Fairly average late 90s teen comedy loosely based on the Shakespearian play "The Taming of the Shrew," albeit with some local interest as it is ostensibly set in Seattle (or some vague amalgamation thereof) even though most of the filming locations are actually in Tacoma. It depicts Heath Ledger as he seeks to be voted "Most Likely to Try to Kill Batman" in the High School yearbook.
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Star Trek: Resurrection
A Bionic Bob fan edit of Star Trek III: The Search For Spock. Another edit of his the turns an original cast movie into more of a show. Moves the planet survey to the front of the movie, and adds in some stills from the wrath of Kahn and the tv series at key points in the movie. 25 minutes cut with 5 minutes put back. Better than the original version? I say ues. Most of the gags are removed and the movie has a more serious tone.
A Bionic Bob fan edit of Star Trek III: The Search For Spock. Another edit of his the turns an original cast movie into more of a show. Moves the planet survey to the front of the movie, and adds in some stills from the wrath of Kahn and the tv series at key points in the movie. 25 minutes cut with 5 minutes put back. Better than the original version? I say ues. Most of the gags are removed and the movie has a more serious tone.
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I agree. At the end of the movie they play the classic bond theme and I stuck me as bizarre, I had forgotten I was watching a bond movie, it was like a Tarrentino moment where he uses music from another film. Overall it had no impact at all, and I also hated the "universe shrinkage" as utilised by Lucas in the prequels of giving Bond and Waltz a shared past, and linking all the Craig films.Skykid wrote:Spectre
Some things better than Skyfall, some things equal. All in all about the same, and really very average overall. A lot of people were leaving the theatre before the credits in this one.
I really liked the train fight, that was great - A little throwback to From Russia With Love, but the end of that scene really hit home just how terribad the dialogue is these days: or in this case almost non-existent.
Isn't Bond meant to be the staple of one-liners? Where the fuck are they then? It boggles my mind in 2015 that Hollywood can't pull together decent enough scriptwriters to stay true to the character and provide him a little personality, because poor old Daniel Craig is absolutely leaden for the most part. Certainly not bringing the panache to the table as some of his forebears.
The ridiculousness is of course still in effect too. It's not much of a spoiler to say Bond is still way past espionage and firmly in the superhero phase, levelling buildings and inexplicably throttling pilots of airborne vehicles, while walking away from massive disaster areas he's created without consequence.
There were definitely some decent elements to this Bond, given, but Cristoph Waltz fell completely flat for the first time. Miscast and performing a full on Cristoph Waltz routine, I felt as though he detracted heavily from proceedings, and I disliked the hamfistedness of trying to tie all the previous Craig movies in a bow while simultaneously resurrecting past enemies who also have intricate relationship details of a soap opera theme. It really did too much, all the while masking a considerably thin plot, and not very well.
All in all, worth a watch once and only once. It doesn't matter if they do make Bond a black transsexual otherkin now, because frankly the whole thing seems to have really run its course.
The opening was good, as was the train fight, but yeah, so so. Also not enough Monica Bellucci... It seems the logical end of Craig as bond and I hope he quits. I've never thought he had any charisma, don't know who they're going to cast next but I've had enough of this Bourne Bond.
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I watched Pacific Rim, From Dusk till Dawn and Edge of Tomorrow.
Mainly to get my family up to speed with my blu ray collection.
They loved all of them
Mainly to get my family up to speed with my blu ray collection.
They loved all of them

This industry has become 2 dimensional as it transcended into a 3D world.
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I was severely dissapointed with Pacific Rim.
Damn Tim, you know there are quite a few Americans out there who still lives in tents due to this shitty economy, and you're dropping loads on a single game which only last 20 min. Do you think it's fair? How much did you spend this time?
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Are the Daniel Craig Bond movies trying to be more like the books, where Bond was originally more of a jerk?Skykid wrote:Spectre
Some things better than Skyfall, some things equal. All in all about the same, and really very average overall. A lot of people were leaving the theatre before the credits in this one.
I really liked the train fight, that was great - A little throwback to From Russia With Love, but the end of that scene really hit home just how terribad the dialogue is these days: or in this case almost non-existent.
Isn't Bond meant to be the staple of one-liners? Where the fuck are they then? It boggles my mind in 2015 that Hollywood can't pull together decent enough scriptwriters to stay true to the character and provide him a little personality, because poor old Daniel Craig is absolutely leaden for the most part. Certainly not bringing the panache to the table as some of his forebears.
The ridiculousness is of course still in effect too. It's not much of a spoiler to say Bond is still way past espionage and firmly in the superhero phase, levelling buildings and inexplicably throttling pilots of airborne vehicles, while walking away from massive disaster areas he's created without consequence.
There were definitely some decent elements to this Bond, given, but Cristoph Waltz fell completely flat for the first time. Miscast and performing a full on Cristoph Waltz routine, I felt as though he detracted heavily from proceedings, and I disliked the hamfistedness of trying to tie all the previous Craig movies in a bow while simultaneously resurrecting past enemies who also have intricate relationship details of a soap opera theme. It really did too much, all the while masking a considerably thin plot, and not very well.
All in all, worth a watch once and only once. It doesn't matter if they do make Bond a black transsexual otherkin now, because frankly the whole thing seems to have really run its course.
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No, Craig's bond was a totally new beast. The book bond was neither the ubermensch of the Moore-era Bond, nor Craig's thuggish killer. He really came across as a regular person struggling to keep up with an extraordinary job. Some parts in the books he seems positively PTSD after a nasty fight.BrianC wrote:Are the Daniel Craig Bond movies trying to be more like the books, where Bond was originally more of a jerk?
The closest any movie Bond has come to the book character was Connery in "From Russia with Love" because of all the little moments of fear and self-doubt that creep in between the heroics and quips.
"What if I don't live up to her expectations, sir?" Could you possibly imagine that line coming out of Pierce Brosnan's bond?
Two working class dudes, one black one white, just baked a tray of ten cookies together.
An oligarch walks in and grabs nine cookies for himself.
Then he says to the white dude "Watch out for that black dude, he wants a piece of your cookie!"
An oligarch walks in and grabs nine cookies for himself.
Then he says to the white dude "Watch out for that black dude, he wants a piece of your cookie!"
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This week:
Child's Play 2 and 3
BIG
Spontaneous Combustion
James Bond : The Living Daylights
My housemate had never seen BIG and loved it.
The first fifteen minutes of The Living Daylights are bloody hilarious.
I really want to see License to Kill with Dalton again as it has been many years and I remember it being pretty good. The song that Gladys Knight did for the film is amazing.
Well, according to the SAS it is the grey man that one must be so not to stand out too much so Roger Moore would not fulfill that requirement
Still, Moore was the James Bond that I first saw as a kid back in the 80s but I prefer Dalton as the iconic dapper, sophisticated, british - and no messing about, pragmatic spy who can turn his hand to understanding a company ledger as well as making a kill.
I nearly died when I saw this scene and had completely forgotten it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLU8cf3H7J0
Child's Play 2 and 3
BIG
Spontaneous Combustion
James Bond : The Living Daylights
My housemate had never seen BIG and loved it.
The first fifteen minutes of The Living Daylights are bloody hilarious.
I really want to see License to Kill with Dalton again as it has been many years and I remember it being pretty good. The song that Gladys Knight did for the film is amazing.
Well, according to the SAS it is the grey man that one must be so not to stand out too much so Roger Moore would not fulfill that requirement

I nearly died when I saw this scene and had completely forgotten it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLU8cf3H7J0
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5 Centimeters Per Second
Had this on my HD for ages and finally gave it a go. A little glossy, and a seemingly unrealistic puppy love story, but nonetheless enjoyable. Does a great job of capturing Tokyo (and I assume Kagoshima). Made me a bit homesick. Also clocking in at a roughly an hour, there was virtually no commitment.
Had this on my HD for ages and finally gave it a go. A little glossy, and a seemingly unrealistic puppy love story, but nonetheless enjoyable. Does a great job of capturing Tokyo (and I assume Kagoshima). Made me a bit homesick. Also clocking in at a roughly an hour, there was virtually no commitment.
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A climatologist I talked with about 5 Centimeters Per Second was most impressed by the film's depiction of weather.
"Puppy love story" is how I'd describe Miyazaki films newer than Porco Rosso, but 5 Centimeters Per Second seemed to be more about growing up (or ageing) to me. Moulting and all that.
"Puppy love story" is how I'd describe Miyazaki films newer than Porco Rosso, but 5 Centimeters Per Second seemed to be more about growing up (or ageing) to me. Moulting and all that.
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Better Off Dead: ****
This is one of our standard "Nothing better to watch" movies. I haven't seen it quite as many times as my wife or her sister have, but I think this is one of those films we've started to memorize.
"Gee, I'm really sorry your Mom blew up Ricky."
"Man, that's a real shame when folks be throwin' out a perfectly good white boy like that."
This is one of our standard "Nothing better to watch" movies. I haven't seen it quite as many times as my wife or her sister have, but I think this is one of those films we've started to memorize.
"Gee, I'm really sorry your Mom blew up Ricky."
"Man, that's a real shame when folks be throwin' out a perfectly good white boy like that."
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I've been at this school for 7 years... I'm no dummy.Vexorg wrote: "Gee, I'm really sorry your Mom blew up Ricky."
"Man, that's a real shame when folks be throwin' out a perfectly good white boy like that."
Classic, classic movie. Makes me dislike John Cusak a bit for hating it.
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i watched these:
the Comet 2014: acting+little bit of Surrealism perfect with some comedy
the Final Girls 2015:one of the best Retro Low Budget movie..great for Friday the 13th fans only
13 Sins 2014:okay thriller movie trying to spoil Illuminati plans..it had its moments
gonna watch tonight..
Mulholland Drive
the Comet 2014: acting+little bit of Surrealism perfect with some comedy
the Final Girls 2015:one of the best Retro Low Budget movie..great for Friday the 13th fans only
13 Sins 2014:okay thriller movie trying to spoil Illuminati plans..it had its moments
gonna watch tonight..
Mulholland Drive
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Peanuts Movie
I liked it quite a bit. Not as good as A Boy Named Charlie Brown, Great Pumpkin, or Charlie Brown Christmas, but better than a good chunk of the specials, especially the later ones. The 3D art style is surprisingly true to the art of the comics and cartoons and I especially like Snoopy's facial expressions.
I liked it quite a bit. Not as good as A Boy Named Charlie Brown, Great Pumpkin, or Charlie Brown Christmas, but better than a good chunk of the specials, especially the later ones. The 3D art style is surprisingly true to the art of the comics and cartoons and I especially like Snoopy's facial expressions.
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Watched Trains Plains and Automobiles with parents. 3rd or 4th time I've seen it, and I think it stands the test of time. Not the most raucous comedy, but definitely funny and sweet. I really enjoyed it just as much as previous viewings.
Aeon Zenith - My STG.RegalSin wrote:Japan an almost perfect society always threatened by outsiders....................
Instead I am stuck in the America's where women rule with an iron crotch, and a man could get arrested for sitting behind a computer too long.
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It was on at the gym the other day. Never gets old.Squire Grooktook wrote:Watched Trains Plains and Automobiles with parents. 3rd or 4th time I've seen it, and I think it stands the test of time. Not the most raucous comedy, but definitely funny and sweet. I really enjoyed it just as much as previous viewings.
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The Martian
Very average stuff indeed. I can't think of a Ridley Scott movie that's more by the numbers cliche Hollywood than this. Watchable? Yes. Entertaining? Mostly. Remarkable? Not at all.
In-fact, 'unremarkable' would probably be the word best to describe this one, but that's not its worst offence. The worst offence is it's script - it's like it's been written by a twelve-year old. Utter cliche through and through, scene for scene, and perhaps the worst expository dialogue I have ever heard. Ever. Because when Damon is monologuing into his videologues, it's so expository and unrealistic it just feels like he's saying "Ok audience, this is what I'm up to, this is the problem now, this is how I'm going to fix it", and it's really badly handled. Took me right out of the nature of an alien planet and into the film studio every time. That's unacceptable.
There are ways to tell a story of one man in space and show his thought processes and developments without that much idiot-filler. And it would probably make for a more artistic and engaging work. Unfortunately Scott didn't have any interest in doing some actual work, so it ends up being hamfistedly written and paint by numbers through and through
Similarly, the casting was a similarly awful cliche. That black guy who's actually English with a suspicious American accent filled the exact same supporting role he does in every movie; Michael Pena - everyone's favourite hispanic personality - was there as a kind of ethnic jam for his 450th stand-in role, and that woman from Interstellar was here as the ship commander because space movie, and she's the space lady now, because Interstellar. And Kristen Wiig was totally out of place, she seemed to be itching to break into a comedy skit every time the camera was on her. Irritating.
I'm actually not sure I didn't prefer Interstellar to this on the whole. I have a feeling they butchered the novel - I'm damn sure the trite dialogue wasn't present ("I'm going to science the shit out of this").
The entire thing felt very safe. I was expecting better, and I shouldn't have.
Very average stuff indeed. I can't think of a Ridley Scott movie that's more by the numbers cliche Hollywood than this. Watchable? Yes. Entertaining? Mostly. Remarkable? Not at all.
In-fact, 'unremarkable' would probably be the word best to describe this one, but that's not its worst offence. The worst offence is it's script - it's like it's been written by a twelve-year old. Utter cliche through and through, scene for scene, and perhaps the worst expository dialogue I have ever heard. Ever. Because when Damon is monologuing into his videologues, it's so expository and unrealistic it just feels like he's saying "Ok audience, this is what I'm up to, this is the problem now, this is how I'm going to fix it", and it's really badly handled. Took me right out of the nature of an alien planet and into the film studio every time. That's unacceptable.
There are ways to tell a story of one man in space and show his thought processes and developments without that much idiot-filler. And it would probably make for a more artistic and engaging work. Unfortunately Scott didn't have any interest in doing some actual work, so it ends up being hamfistedly written and paint by numbers through and through
Similarly, the casting was a similarly awful cliche. That black guy who's actually English with a suspicious American accent filled the exact same supporting role he does in every movie; Michael Pena - everyone's favourite hispanic personality - was there as a kind of ethnic jam for his 450th stand-in role, and that woman from Interstellar was here as the ship commander because space movie, and she's the space lady now, because Interstellar. And Kristen Wiig was totally out of place, she seemed to be itching to break into a comedy skit every time the camera was on her. Irritating.
I'm actually not sure I didn't prefer Interstellar to this on the whole. I have a feeling they butchered the novel - I'm damn sure the trite dialogue wasn't present ("I'm going to science the shit out of this").
The entire thing felt very safe. I was expecting better, and I shouldn't have.
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It was over a year ago when I read it, but yeah, it sounds like he did a pretty faithful adaption (w/ extra Hollywood thrown in). The dialogue was pretty trite, considering what was going on. There was a lot of humor in the book (considering it was mainly a diary) but I think that's probably what I would have done to keep myself sane. At least at first. It should have gone more Apocalypse Now towards the end though, for sure.
To put it into perspective, I'm a pretty poor reader by anyone's standards, and even I finished it in a few weeks whilst having what could probably be considered a midlife crisis: About to turn 40, moved across the planet, hopeful to file for divorce one day when everything smooths over, mouths to feed, no job, and was even living with very gracious friends.
To put it into perspective, I'm a pretty poor reader by anyone's standards, and even I finished it in a few weeks whilst having what could probably be considered a midlife crisis: About to turn 40, moved across the planet, hopeful to file for divorce one day when everything smooths over, mouths to feed, no job, and was even living with very gracious friends.
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From Beijing With Love
I thought Dragon Dynasty was a dead company, but low and behold, I found a 5 movie collection that contains 4 Jet Li movies, most of them seeming to be USA home video edits with the original language, and then a Stephen Chow Bond spoof tacked on. I decided to watch the Bond spoof and enjoyed it. The credits sequence was perfectly bond, and the story was kinda meh, but the jokes were really what anyone watches a Stephen Chow movie for and they were done quite well, except for the porn joke. Didn't feel that one, but overall it made me laugh.
I thought Dragon Dynasty was a dead company, but low and behold, I found a 5 movie collection that contains 4 Jet Li movies, most of them seeming to be USA home video edits with the original language, and then a Stephen Chow Bond spoof tacked on. I decided to watch the Bond spoof and enjoyed it. The credits sequence was perfectly bond, and the story was kinda meh, but the jokes were really what anyone watches a Stephen Chow movie for and they were done quite well, except for the porn joke. Didn't feel that one, but overall it made me laugh.
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Saw The final Hunger Games movie.
I think it was one of the best ones of the series and definitely surpasses part 1. I was not at all expecting there to be a jumpscare, nor was I expecting the subtle amount of humor they peppered in. Though there were moments where it seemed to drag on, it was pretty good overall.
The trailers though. They seemed to go on just as long as the actual movie did! I'm not sure why they felt the need to show a trailer for Suicide Forest or whatever it's called in a theater with multiple children in it, and there was no Star Wars trailer at the end of them to make it all worth it, so that first half hour or however long it took was pointless.
I think it was one of the best ones of the series and definitely surpasses part 1. I was not at all expecting there to be a jumpscare, nor was I expecting the subtle amount of humor they peppered in. Though there were moments where it seemed to drag on, it was pretty good overall.
The trailers though. They seemed to go on just as long as the actual movie did! I'm not sure why they felt the need to show a trailer for Suicide Forest or whatever it's called in a theater with multiple children in it, and there was no Star Wars trailer at the end of them to make it all worth it, so that first half hour or however long it took was pointless.
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Star Trek Into Darkness
I've always been a casual Star Trek fan, having grown up catching episodes from each series here & there. I also went to the theater for a handful of the films. That said, I really like the new Abrams features & think they succeeded in being more appealing to the masses. I can understand that they may not sit as well with diehards, but at least it introduces a whole new generation to the franchise.
I also think they stand strong on their own as fun action-adventure flicks. The sci-fi was never hard with Star Trek, so it's the perfect landscape for a roller coaster ride. At that, Into Darkness delivers. Man, I really had a blast watching it.
I can't believe they actually made Klingons look cool.
I've always been a casual Star Trek fan, having grown up catching episodes from each series here & there. I also went to the theater for a handful of the films. That said, I really like the new Abrams features & think they succeeded in being more appealing to the masses. I can understand that they may not sit as well with diehards, but at least it introduces a whole new generation to the franchise.
I also think they stand strong on their own as fun action-adventure flicks. The sci-fi was never hard with Star Trek, so it's the perfect landscape for a roller coaster ride. At that, Into Darkness delivers. Man, I really had a blast watching it.
I can't believe they actually made Klingons look cool.
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This movie is awful for the right reasons though. It is just a remake of Wrath of Kahn. Sad that he couldn't make an original story like with the 2009 movie. So awful that he felt Wrath of Kahn needed a remake.8BA wrote:Star Trek Into Darkness
I've always been a casual Star Trek fan, having grown up catching episodes from each series here & there. I also went to the theater for a handful of the films. That said, I really like the new Abrams features & think they succeeded in being more appealing to the masses. I can understand that they may not sit as well with diehards, but at least it introduces a whole new generation to the franchise.
I also think they stand strong on their own as fun action-adventure flicks. The sci-fi was never hard with Star Trek, so it's the perfect landscape for a roller coaster ride. At that, Into Darkness delivers. Man, I really had a blast watching it.
I can't believe they actually made Klingons look cool.
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^ Awful is a big word. Star Trek was never really great to begin.
Only a few episodes in the whole saga almost reached sci-fi excellence, but the bulk of it - series and movies included - remained cheap soapy crap to medium-good genuine space opera.
I'd say the Abrams movies at least (last) bring the modern visual effects the old stuff kinda lacked, Trek not looking 'budget' is new.
Only a few episodes in the whole saga almost reached sci-fi excellence, but the bulk of it - series and movies included - remained cheap soapy crap to medium-good genuine space opera.
I'd say the Abrams movies at least (last) bring the modern visual effects the old stuff kinda lacked, Trek not looking 'budget' is new.
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Oh cripes! This is like saying Avatar was better than Babylon 5 because of the special effects and besides, B5's acting was pretty weak for some characters.Xyga wrote:^ Awful is a big word. Star Trek was never really great to begin.
Only a few episodes in the whole saga almost reached sci-fi excellence, but the bulk of it - series and movies included - remained cheap soapy crap to medium-good genuine space opera.
I'd say the Abrams movies at least (last) bring the modern visual effects the old stuff kinda lacked, Trek not looking 'budget' is new.
Star Trek was once written by the giants of Sci Fi like Harlan Ellison and Richard Matheson and tackled the major social and political issues facing WWII vets of the day. On one hand you could see Balance of Terror as simply a submarine battle story set in space, look closer (not that much closer, it's not like Trek was exactly subtle with its allegories) and its a damning indictment of the Japanese internment camps of WWII. If some of the moral issues seem quaint, that's because you're looking at this multiracial 1960s program with 21st century eyes.
Things started to get weak toward the end of TNG and continued on its downward trajectory throughout Voyager, Enterprise, and the TNG movies and the blame for that lies mostly on the shoulders of Rick Berman and Brannon Braga, but the red headed stepchildren over on Deep Space 9 were keeping the old spirit of Trek alive with episodes by Vietnam vets exploring what happens when a nation that aspires to moral greatness collides with the ugliness of a protracted war.
Yes, there were shitty episodes from every series, but you're talking about the quality fluctuation of hundreds and hundreds of episodes.
The Abrams Trek movies were written by Orci and Kurtzman, two chuckleheads whose claim to fame was writing the "scripts" (see my sneer quotes there?) to Michael Bay's Transformers movies. Their M.O. is to write a collection of action setpieces, then come up with excuses to connect the scenes, no matter how flimsy. Not only do they fail to explore any issues, they reduce the cast to caricatures from old Eddie Murphy standup routines. Yeah, Abrahms was better at dangling keys in your face and vaguely reminding you of that better film Wrath of Khan than Brent Spiner's friend directing Star Trek Nemesis. Ooh!
The real accomplishment of Abram's Trek reboot was the marketing campaign where in a Karl Rove-ian twist they turned their weakness into a strength by announcing that anyone who pointed out the flaws in this new film's script was a NEEEEERD! Right out of the old fairytale "The Emperor's New Clothes" nobody in the mainstream press wanted to be painted with the scarlet N, so they all fell in line.
This is the movie equivalent of when DmC came out and games journalists who suck at games everywhere were saying, "Finally! Devil May Cry for the rest of us!"
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An oligarch walks in and grabs nine cookies for himself.
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An oligarch walks in and grabs nine cookies for himself.
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Squire Grooktook
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Yeah TAS and TNG (not counting the late season stuff for both which gene roddenberry was not involved in) wasn't great literature (though nothing is), but it's great stuff.
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Don't distort my point MM; I'm only saying the Abrams movies fit in the franchise like most of the average Trek material, feature long movies or double-episodes, only with modern fancy visual effects, which is always a good point in space movies.
The Trek franchise has TONS of bad or barely acceptable episodes and movies, not just a few, if people want to be objective about it they have to judge the whole thing, not take only the superior moments in its history and say "only those are the real Trek don't mind the rest".
Especially because it's several hundred episodes long.
Therefore I don't see the life of me in what regards the Abrams movies are inferior to the average level of what I've seen already, and I've seen most of Trek (except Enterprise again, I really couldn't stand watching after about 15 eps or so).
Watching the Abrams movies I expected to see some Trek, I saw some standard Trek, not 'superior' Trek right, still Trek.
The Trek franchise has TONS of bad or barely acceptable episodes and movies, not just a few, if people want to be objective about it they have to judge the whole thing, not take only the superior moments in its history and say "only those are the real Trek don't mind the rest".
Especially because it's several hundred episodes long.
Therefore I don't see the life of me in what regards the Abrams movies are inferior to the average level of what I've seen already, and I've seen most of Trek (except Enterprise again, I really couldn't stand watching after about 15 eps or so).
Watching the Abrams movies I expected to see some Trek, I saw some standard Trek, not 'superior' Trek right, still Trek.
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That's not what you said though. What you actually said:Xyga wrote:Don't distort my point MM; I'm only saying the Abrams movies fit in the franchise like most of the average Trek material...
Easily disagree.Xyga wrote:Star Trek was never really great to begin.
Definitely more then a few, and they definitely did IMO.Xyga wrote:Only a few episodes in the whole saga almost reached sci-fi excellence
Aeon Zenith - My STG.RegalSin wrote:Japan an almost perfect society always threatened by outsiders....................
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